Ikaruga Mafia (Game Over!)

[Bulbazak]

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Saki (1): Sharpest-knife-on-tree
Sharpest-knife-on-tree (0):
Xayzeck (0):
DrippingGoofball (2): Jordan_Downey, RachMarie
Jordan_Downey (0):
RachMarie (2): Saki, DrippingGoofball

Not Voting (1): Xayzeck

It is day 7. With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends on Wednesday, September 24 at 1:45am EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-09-24 01:45:00).

Jordan_Downey is V/LA until Sunday, September 21.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

the only person who has said any thing of substance is of course you...

[DrippingGoofball]

More Rach votes please.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

More Rach votes please.

NO!

[Saki]

game too slow

[DrippingGoofball]

I'll RB Saki tonight.

Let's lynch Rach.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

NO!

[RachMarie]

SKOT I get that you think Saki is scum what do you think about DGB?

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

DGB could be scum, he could be the one responsible for the other kills as well. Especially given his play. I feel far more comfortable with a Saki lynch at this point.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

and that should read she, it was a generic he/her, well really I forgot that DGB is a she.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

I have in other games a positive experience with DGB, she is not the same here. Yet, for me Saki is a higher lynch priority.

[DrippingGoofball]

SKOT, stop chatting with the scum.

[Sharpest-knife-on-tree]

okay, I won't talk to you any further then DGB. No conversations with you or saki then.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm not voting for your scum read, you're not voting for my scum read.

nener nener nener

[aphix]

So SKOT, aside from cop stated he didn't like Saki, which there is evidence that he wasn't sold himself of that read ... Could you surmise your case on him for me? Cause I don't remember one currently, just you screaming he is scum. Which hasn't been convincing.

[Jordan_Downey]

So SKOT, aside from cop stated he didn't like Saki, which there is evidence that he wasn't sold himself of that read ... Could you surmise your case on him for me? Cause I don't remember one currently, just you screaming he is scum. Which hasn't been convincing.

That's ME!

[Bulbazak]

Replacing Xayzeck.

[DrippingGoofball]

Now if only we would lynch Rach...

[Bulbazak]

Kaiveran replaces Xayzeck. Deadline has been extended 3 days. New deadline is Saturday, September 27 at 1:45am EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-09-27 01:45:00).

[Kaiveran]

Hey there my pets.

I've been stalking this game for a long time now, almost since it's inception. It's definitely been quite a ride. I don't remember every detail of course, but I don't think it's necessary: I feel like I've been part of the game for a while now.

I have other business to attend to this evening but for sure tomorrow, if not tonight, I will expound on my reads and then make a decision.

[Bulbazak]

Prodding Saki and RachMarie.

[RachMarie]

SKOT

So you think Saki is pulling a fake claim? How about switching over to DGB then and tomorrow we can look at Saki?

[RachMarie]

CLIFF NOTES

I have a town read on SKOT and JD

I think DGB is scum

Rethinking the read on Saki due to an un CCed PR claim.

[Kaiveran]

Okay, so let me basically outline my reads, in order of decreasing scumminess.

RachMarie

I'm not going to repeat the flinging of deodorizing toppings on top of the scum sundae that is Rach. From the active lurking, near-total lack of substantial engagement with any known scum, the lack of response to her wagon...this has been duly gone over already. Instead, I'm going to point out what I think is the clincher, in which any remaining thoughts one might have of her being town are sure to be crushed:

SKOT I get that you think Saki is scum what do you think about DGB?

This...

this BS right here

, is the scummiest possible address of SKOT I can fathom at this point.

Like, seriously, I can't even. What town motivation could there possibly be in asking him for a read on ONE person right now? Not even

touching

on

anything else

that's wrong with SKOT's boneheaded play recently?

I understand that browbeating and being hostile to SKOT (while perhaps not entirely unjustified) has worked about as well as abstinence-only sex education, and this is definitely a break from that behavior. But

come on

, guys. This clearly isn't an attempt to correct SKOT's play, get him to see reason, or even force him to generate more information before we go into night, all of which I think would be a

big

fucking priority

to anyone even remotely beholden to a pro-town win condition. Even if one were to assume that Rach

is

town who thought SKOT was

right

about Saki and wanted to hear more from him (and that strikes me as fundamentally bonkers), this breaks down due to the fact that she's only asking about

ONE

person, the controversial DGB.

This is in NO way town trying to open a real dialogue or getting more information out there, this is scum feeling out another mislynch her pet VI might champion to give her the win. Lynch plz?

p-edit: oh look at that, right on fucking schedule.

p-edit 2: backpedal harder

SKOT

Do I really need to write about this guy? I think everything has been covered already. He's an unreadable VI and I don't like unreadable players (or the "too scummy to be scum" WIFOM-mess) so he can play a distant second fiddle to Rach.

My main reason for thinking he might be SK is that, as pointed out on page 151, his kills make no sense coming from a sane town vig perspective (which he clearly does not have). Particularly, there is no reason for him not to have at least taken a shot at Saki if his scum read on him was really that strong. And from there he has basically plugged his ears and gone "LALALALALA" the whole rest of the game.

Hopefully Saki reflect-kills him tonight.

Jordan-Downey

Lost in the gray mist. I remember his behavior being pretty erratic throughout the game, and recent events are no exception. He goes from pointedly opposing DGB's town read of SKOT yesterday to blindly accepting his claim today. Him syncing his reads with SKOT rubs me the wrong way, but then again I know players who "trim the fat" and go along with what they feel are the good parts of whatever people say. I can't decide whether this is fence-sitting scum or cautious, out-of-the-box town that I can't see eye to eye with.

For what it's worth, he's definitely done right where Rach has done very very wrong with his address of SKOT:

So SKOT, aside from cop stated he didn't like Saki, which there is evidence that he wasn't sold himself of that read ... Could you surmise your case on him for me? Cause I don't remember one currently, just you screaming he is scum. Which hasn't been convincing.

But then that contradicts his scumread of Saki in the above linked post...

Sigh.

DGB

Ugh.

DGB, listen, I want to believe with all my heart and soul and being that you are town and that you me and Saki will prevail over the scum and frolic in the verdant fields of victory. But the shadow of the Serial Killer weighs down my mind, and keeps our promised paradise behind unbreakable glass.

Sure, scum Rach is pushing you, and I do recall you having a reputation for being an easy scapegoat for scum. But I don't get how you were towning both Saki and SKOT at the same time. I don't know, it just seems paradoxical given how much sense Saki was making and how little sense SKOT was. Perhaps the thing that bothers me the most is how you voted for Saki on page 152 after extolling your strong town read of him for a while; even if Jordan was getting swept up in illogical associative scum reads on you (because let's face it, PN was scummy as hell), I think the town move is to stay calm and convince rather than go for self-preservation.

If it weren't for these nagging fucking things, I would call you my biggest townread. Instead that has to go to..

Saki

Saki is turbotown and I am lynching that shit approximately never.

Sure, you can't deny he looked iffy early to midgame, but I have watched Saki and ever since then he's stepped up his game significantly. Even when things have gotten heated and it seemed like he could have been done for today, he has calmly and rationally dismantled the wagon on him. Plus, he's an un-CC'd PR and there is nothing setup-wise that suggests that he's fake claiming.

Like, seriously, I don't get how anybody can read this guy's posts even on the whole and then call him scum. Everything he has said makes sense, his positions have smoothly changed and have been substantiated, even his frustrated angry antics were clearly not scum-motivated. Everything in my head, heart, and gut tells me that Saki is town. If that makes me a fool, then fine. He's gone fucking ham sandwich on this game and frankly if he is scum he deserves to win this game.

[Kaiveran]

Intent to hammer Rach

Jordan, I will wait along with you for a response from SKOT if you so desire.

Anyone else want to link/quote anything that contraindicates my reads?