Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[fferyllt]

do you think a scum buddy would stick their neck out and say they have an item?

They might, they might not. I think we get info either way, no?

-b

yeah. I wondered if you had a specific scenario in mind. mostly though I'm just trying to keep my head sorta in the game while I wait.

[Nashville Dreams]

Cutty Shark, you are full of shit. Why aren't you pressuring Fonz over who he targeted? You aren't scared of Fonz.

If you truly are really similar to AK, then you would have to receive an item somehow. So you would have to know that items would be passable. Yet here you are acting dumb to over explain your vote on us.

Mala's got issues so you are dealing with me and I am not telling you shit because you are scum.

[Cutty Shark]

Cutty Shark, you are full of shit. Why aren't you pressuring Fonz over who he targeted? You aren't scared of Fonz.

Fonz claimed exactly what his action is, and what he's claimed it does. From that claim, it is both not 1) investigative or 2) something I have a problem with being used on a townread, flavorwise.

If you truly are really similar to AK, then you would have to receive an item somehow. So you would have to know that items would be passable. Yet here you are acting dumb to over explain your vote on us.

Except that, no, I wouldn't have to receive an item somehow. If my role PM said something about items I'd have been having very different conversations with AK. I'm not going to restate what I claimed just because you can't be arsed to read it.

-b

[Cutty Shark]

yeah. I wondered if you had a specific scenario in mind. mostly though I'm just trying to keep my head sorta in the game while I wait.

If I had a strong inclination about AK being scum (with a buddy corroborating or not corroborating either way on his claim), my vote would probably be there.
Do you have an opinion about me vs Nashville? I never really had a good indication about where your mala read ended up yesterday.

The fact of the matter is I know about as little about the setup as is possible right now because I have yet to have any role interactions with anyone, and that means I can only guess how 'actions' in a role PM / allegedly farmed out to people manifest themselves in night results.

That essentially means that I'm dealing with a bunch of fruit vendors until I see otherwise. I have no doubt that GW / Nashville / Fonz all performed some kind of action, and that Fonz / Nashville did what they said they did, at least targetwise. That kinda all means dick when you realize there is no true way to know what any of this shit does FMPOV, much less divine alignments from it, and I'm left with AK's role that doesn't appear to synergize with any claimed role and my role that also doesn't appear to synergize with anyone but in a slightly different way.

Combine that with pretty much nobody posting and I have very little idea what I want to do with myself right now.

-b

[Nashville Dreams]

Donz has not claimed exactly what his ability does as he claims not to even know what he does. We have claimed exactly what the camera dies. Yet you are acting as if we are the vague one. Nope.


Oh you want to change your fakeclaim to back away from your CC from AK. You said that you sounded similar to him and he made objects better but did not have one. Logically from that, items must be passable somehow. Yet you act clueless and start walking backwards.


Supposing you are town Bork you are an idiot if you don't see this is Xmen part 2. I won't lie and pretend to go along with popular townreads.

[Cutty Shark]

Oh you want to change your fakeclaim to back away from your CC from AK. You said that you sounded similar to him and he made objects better but did not have one. Logically from that, items must be passable somehow. Yet you act clueless and start walking backwards.

READ MY FUCKING POSTS

-b

[Cutty Shark]

Supposing you are town Bork you are an idiot if you don't see this is Xmen part 2

You know how this is reminding me of X-men?

because you don't listen to anyone

-b

[Cutty Shark]

Here, I'll even relent here. for the moment:

UNVOTE:

I'll listen to what you have to say. I won't even respond tonight as I'm going to bed, so just stream of consciousness at me:

A couple rules:

1) I don't want to hear anything that presupposes I'm scum or you trying to confbias random things I've done into that conclusion. I'm not, so you're just wasting your time arguing from that POV.
2) That your night action exists doesn't imply you're town, so I'm not really interested in that angle either.

What I want to see is reads on other people re: the flip last night.
I don't care if your reads are popular or not, I care if you have good points to make.

So this is my one attempt to meet you halfway and see if we are indeed heading down the road traveled in X-men.

-b

[fferyllt]

yeah. I wondered if you had a specific scenario in mind. mostly though I'm just trying to keep my head sorta in the game while I wait.

If I had a strong inclination about AK being scum (with a buddy corroborating or not corroborating either way on his claim), my vote would probably be there.
Do you have an opinion about me vs Nashville? I never really had a good indication about where your mala read ended up yesterday.

The fact of the matter is I know about as little about the setup as is possible right now because I have yet to have any role interactions with anyone, and that means I can only guess how 'actions' in a role PM / allegedly farmed out to people manifest themselves in night results.

That essentially means that I'm dealing with a bunch of fruit vendors until I see otherwise. I have no doubt that GW / Nashville / Fonz all performed some kind of action, and that Fonz / Nashville did what they said they did, at least targetwise. That kinda all means dick when you realize there is no true way to know what any of this shit does FMPOV, much less divine alignments from it, and I'm left with AK's role that doesn't appear to synergize with any claimed role and my role that also doesn't appear to synergize with anyone but in a slightly different way.

Combine that with pretty much nobody posting and I have very little idea what I want to do with myself right now.

-b

I have a strong town read of you and a much weaker town read of Mala. the level of dissonance bothers me. the only time I've ever approached that level of dissonance with a hydra partner it was strategic. with another partner than titus i'd probably want my vote there.

as to where I stand right now, I need to reread pretty badly. fonz'claim and the corroboration frustrate the line of thought I had started to develop during my catch up. basically right now I have two strong town reads left from day 1 . and some town reads that are weakening. anda big pile of maybe scum I need to think about.

I think if i go back and read the csareo/anatole exchange I'll feel better about the replacement.

[The Fonz]

Donz has not claimed exactly what his ability does as he claims not to even know what he does. We have claimed exactly what the camera dies. Yet you are acting as if we are the vague one. Nope.

Erm, that's not the point.

You claimed you held the belief that your night action was a track. You claimed to hold the belief that F-16/GW was town.

It is very unusual to track a town read. People tend to track people who they think are scum to try to catch them in the act. Therefore these beliefs appear dissonant. People whose stated beliefs do not match up with their claimed actions look like scum. This is not super-complicated.

I A) Didn't claim that I had any particular read on F-16 B) Didn't believe my action was a track. Therefore the fundamental reason Shark has a problem with you doesn't apply to me at all, so Shark isn't being in any way inconsistent and you are just throwing mud. I can explain the reasoning why I used it if anyone think it's particularly important in ascertaining my alignment, though I'm not sure it will be to anyone.

@Shark - I suggest we widen the question to 'does anyone have a specific reason to believe that an items mechanic exists?' That way scum can't tell for sure whether the individual in question can give items, or got one last night.

Also, not entirely fruit vendors. At the very least, we know F-16 left the house last night.

[Anatole Kuragin]

CAN ANYONE GIVE A FUCKING ITEM TO ANATOLE OR NOT

IF SO JUST FUCKING SAY SO. If not he needs to die.

this game is going fucking nowhere

-b

. I don't have an item.

do you think a scum buddy would stick their neck out and say they have an item?

Alright I'm back in the office so I can post consistently again.

1) It will really suck if there are no items in this game and that is my role in the bastard mechanic (along with other people getting vague results or whatever

2)

CAN ANYONE GIVE A FUCKING ITEM TO ANATOLE OR NOT

IF SO JUST FUCKING SAY SO. If not he needs to die.

this game is going fucking nowhere

-b

. I don't have an item.

do you think a scum buddy would stick their neck out and say they have an item?

What did you mean by this ffer?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Nash I don't want to hear the "it's not pro-town" shit anymore because you're going to get us both lynched - can you confirm if your camera is an "item" or that it is passable?

Cutty, the only similarity in our role is the part that more or less confirms RBs.

[The Fonz]

I'm pretty sure if there's a specific thing that constitutes bastardry, it's the possibility of mind control/amnesia/whatever. A red herring role is not a 'mechanic' and to me is not actually bastardly. That kind of thing is, after all, permitted in Normals.

That said, we specifically stopped pressuring you because you claimed you'd prove your ability (I don't know how we'd get from that to confirming you town, but hey ho. Presumably you're going to say this would be antitown, and if you're town you're probably right). You have not done so. This leaves a few possibilities:

1) There is a town player who is either reading you as scum despite claim (and so didn't trust you with an item) or is paying so little attention they didn't realise you were asking for an item, or knew the above but decided that a specific other use of the item was still better than giving it to you.

2) The item-giver is scum, and you're not.

3) The item-giver was RBed, and is keeping schtum so as not to advertise this.

4) There is no item mechanic, and your role is a red herring.

5) You're lying.

4) and 5) seem less likely on account of Shark's reveal. Though not-5 is not the same as you being town.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that. I was more or less musing on the possible bastardidity of a red herring item mechanic to show that it's a bit analogous with the roles we are accepting despite them also sounding weird and being unconfirmable.

I 100% believed someone would give me an item, I wouldn't have claimed or said I could prove my role if not.

And I don't think it's anti-town to discuss because a) nashville is on the chopping block today and may be the only person who can give me what I need for my role and b) I'm eternally on the chopping block until she (or some other person who has not given any hint that they have an item-related role) does. I said I would confirm myself and I didn't, but I don't have much of a choice in it either.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I find it very unlikely there would be a mechanic that involves scum giving townies items. We already know they probably have a roleblocker and possibly some other weird shit.

[fferyllt]

I find it very unlikely there would be a mechanic that involves scum giving townies items. We already know they probably have a roleblocker and possibly some other weird shit.

how do we know this? the flavor around what happened with f16?

regarding your question I wanted to know what Bork was thinking wrt his push for an item giver claim.

[Nashville Dreams]

Nash I don't want to hear the "it's not pro-town" shit anymore because you're going to get us both lynched - can you confirm if your camera is an "item" or that it is passable?

Cutty, the only similarity in our role is the part that more or less confirms RBs.

I do not care about getting lynched. That's the first rule of playing with me.

If scum want info, they can run us up or we will give it as necessary. Not before.

Your post here is odd. You are essentially rewarding Cutty's blantant rolefishing. I only did a limited claim because it would confirm Fonz's whereabouts and the mechanic being messed up. Any further helps scum track the camera. I have nointent to help them.

[Nashville Dreams]

So you can quit being survivalistic AK and scumhunt or you can create a srlf fulfilling prophecy.

[Nashville Dreams]

I find it very unlikely there would be a mechanic that involves scum giving townies items. We already know they probably have a roleblocker and possibly some other weird shit.

how do we know this? the flavor around what happened with f16?

regarding your question I wanted to know what Bork was thinking wrt his push for an item giver claim.

We know either their is a roleblocker or F16 is investigation immune at least. Otherwise the camera would have recorded.

[Nashville Dreams]

Donz has not claimed exactly what his ability does as he claims not to even know what he does. We have claimed exactly what the camera dies. Yet you are acting as if we are the vague one. Nope.

Erm, that's not the point.

You claimed you held the belief that your night action was a track. You claimed to hold the belief that F-16/GW was town.

It is very unusual to track a town read. People tend to track people who they think are scum to try to catch them in the act. Therefore these beliefs appear dissonant. People whose stated beliefs do not match up with their claimed actions look like scum. This is not super-complicated.

I A) Didn't claim that I had any particular read on F-16 B) Didn't believe my action was a track. Therefore the fundamental reason Shark has a problem with you doesn't apply to me at all, so Shark isn't being in any way inconsistent and you are just throwing mud. I can explain the reasoning why I used it if anyone think it's particularly important in ascertaining my alignment, though I'm not sure it will be to anyone.

@Shark - I suggest we widen the question to 'does anyone have a specific reason to believe that an items mechanic exists?' That way scum can't tell for sure whether the individual in question can give items, or got one last night.

Also, not entirely fruit vendors. At the very least, we know F-16 left the house last night.

We already explained. We thought it was a watcher and by the time we realized tracker, we coulsn't agree on a track because the scum are charismatic...wellthe two that are left.

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's not blatant rolefishing to ask if you have what my role would consider an "item" for the sole purpose of corroborating that I am not bullshitting about the item mechanic - you have already given away much more info than that about your role.

Ffer - my role implies scum either have RB or bulletproof/ascetic because there is a qualifier that if/when I do submit my night action, it is unstoppable except by divine intervention. That, combined with the way nash described their night action and subsequent camera issues and the lack of any meaningful results all around make me pretty confident.

[Anatole Kuragin]

You don't have to say you gave the camera away or to who, just say that it's

possible

to do so.

[Anatole Kuragin]

So you can quit being survivalistic AK and scumhunt or you can create a srlf fulfilling prophecy.

Yeah, I've fucking tried and everyone ignored it because "lissa is town from neighborhood stuff."

[Nashville Dreams]

Here, I'll even relent here. for the moment:

UNVOTE:

I'll listen to what you have to say. I won't even respond tonight as I'm going to bed, so just stream of consciousness at me:

A couple rules:

1) I don't want to hear anything that presupposes I'm scum or you trying to confbias random things I've done into that conclusion. I'm not, so you're just wasting your time arguing from that POV.
2) That your night action exists doesn't imply you're town, so I'm not really interested in that angle either.

What I want to see is reads on other people re: the flip last night.
I don't care if your reads are popular or not, I care if you have good points to make.

So this is my one attempt to meet you halfway and see if we are indeed heading down the road traveled in X-men.

-b

My reads on the flip are to get the town scumhunting and reset based on the scumhunting somewhat but you are making that hard to do with your info hunting. Basically I said as much and you just don't stop.

FFery and Fonz look town today.

AK's last post was bad but I think he's tiwn still.


What do you think of FourTrouble's wagon. I think there is more info to be gained there.

Then again, with my paranoia, FT could have been a vig kill. Scum kill ika. Frame me with block.

[Nashville Dreams]

It's not blatant rolefishing to ask if you have what my role would consider an "item" for the sole purpose of corroborating that I am not bullshitting about the item mechanic - you have already given away much more info than that about your role.

Ffer - my role implies scum either have RB or bulletproof/ascetic because there is a qualifier that if/when I do submit my night action, it is unstoppable except by divine intervention. That, combined with the way nash described their night action and subsequent camera issues and the lack of any meaningful results all around make me pretty confident.

If you ever were in trouble, I would answer. You do not need confirmation and town gains jackshit from confirming you. So shut up. Your info fish is worse because you are at zero votes fishing for townfirmation. That's the same shit Csareo pulled.