FitzOtter I (Game Over)

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #400 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:22 am

vote Juls

Juls · Post Post #401 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:38 am

Farside...as much as "harping" is a trigger for you, "bitching" is a trigger for me so back the fuck off.

Hostile Intent · Post Post #402 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:40 am

Then stop bitching and she'll stop harping you.

Juls · Post Post #403 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:41 am

People who have read why I chose my targets and who aren't named hostile or farside and are now voting me need to explain their vote. Because I have given a valid reason. Does anyone in their right mind think scum would be given the ability to make two people lovers?

Juls · Post Post #404 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:41 am

I'm not bitching. Don't just be a dick for no reason.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #405 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:43 am

↑ Juls wrote:People who have read why I chose my targets and who aren't named hostile or farside and are now voting me need to explain their vote. Because I have given a valid reason. Does anyone in their right mind think scum would be given the ability to make two people lovers?

uh... yeah? that makes FAR more sense for scum than town.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #406 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:44 am

and the way you used your ability was extremely anti-town so die

Juls · Post Post #407 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:45 am

If I was scum and could make 2 people lovers that would be broken because I could then just kill them in the night.

P-edit: if I were scum I would have totally chose to very town people, not two very scummy people

Juls · Post Post #408 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:45 am

Juls · Post Post #409 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:47 am

Using my ability like a vig shot is NOT anti-town.

I'd be willing to vote UT tomorrow for being blatantly wrong.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #410 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:52 am

↑ Juls wrote:If I was scum and could make 2 people lovers that would be broken because I could then just kill them in the night.

P-edit: if I were scum I would have totally chose to very town people, not two very scummy people

I don't even know where to start with this

first: are they lynch-only lovers?

Juls · Post Post #411 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:00 am

Not that I am aware of. They are lovers but it will expire after one day/night.

Hostile Intent · Post Post #412 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:03 am

So we're

definitely

dead tonight.

Juls · Post Post #413 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:04 am

If you are both town, yes. If one of you are scum, probably not, unless we have a vig.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #414 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:08 am

↑ Juls wrote:Not that I am aware of. They are lovers but it will expire after one day/night.

so what you did is either strongarm the town into lynching two people (and it's VERY unlikely that both of them are scum, so we're asking for us to commit one, possibly two mislynches today) or possibly offer the mafia a 2-for-1 nightkill tonight. that is how lovers work.

do you not see how that makes more sense as a mafia ability? for town it's has very little upside and is almost strictly negative utility.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #415 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:10 am

like, even if I had a scumread on both of those players, there's no way I'd touch that lynch with a 12 foot pole. the downside is too high.

farside22 · Post Post #416 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:11 am

Sure.
I'll pay someone money to show me the case juls made on me.

Go on, I'll wait.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #417 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:12 am

and on a setup speculation note it wouldn't surprise me with that as a scum ability if the mafia had to subsitute their NK with the loverize as a sort of gamble that they could get the lynch and if they didn't it would still even out to 2 kills in 2 nights

zor if that's what you did that's fucking genius

Juls · Post Post #418 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:21 am

↑ farside22 wrote:Sure.
I'll pay someone money to show me the case juls made on me.

Go on, I'll wait.

I already said I added you because several people were interested in lynching you yesterday. I still think HI is most likely to be scum and you are null to me.

Like I said, lynch me if you want. If they both live in the night, lynch them both in whatever order you wish. If they die and both flip town then I made a mistake which I will have to live with but it's no different than misvigging. If you lynch one and one or both are scum I'm definitely dying in the night.

Juls · Post Post #419 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:22 am

Regardless, lots of good reactions here. I feel certain one or both are scum.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #420 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:25 am

↑ Juls wrote:Like I said, lynch me if you want.

can do.

Juls · Post Post #421 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:28 am

The fact that you can't even consider my decision from a town POV makes you either scum or stubborn-wrong-town.

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #422 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:34 am

↑ Juls wrote:The fact that you can't even consider my decision from a town POV makes you either scum or stubborn-wrong-town.

I did, and if I had that ability as town I would be very reluctant to use it. if there was a way for it to help town (such as loverizing the one remaining scum with a valuable town PR) with a very low chance of backfiring that is the only time I would use it.

the way you used it either shows an unwillingness to consider that your reads might be wrong, or a lack of concern with town dying.

Juls · Post Post #423 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:35 am

So when you are vig you don't shoot?

Untrod Tripod · Post Post #424 (ISO) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:36 am

not compulsively, no