League of Legends (Old)

[Iecerint]

IMLS made a tier list awhile ago that left out Janna altogether and then put her in the D tier when he was asked about it later. I was annoyed. That may be what TES is referring to.

I am happy that he is eating his words. ^^

[Phillammon]

No, it's not Darius- I recall reading somewhere, though I don't know offhand where, that Sion's story rework was to make him a bit like Garen, but Noxian, inasmuch as he is the paragon that every noxian child aspires to be like- including Darius, hence the similarities.

[lil g]

These retcons are confusing as all hell and I could care less about the lore so when I look at this badly-written Sion launch page I just go boggle-boggle-boggle sion sucks who cares. Especially since "Jarvan" is a name shared by at least 2 characters in the current lore clusterfuck, the King and the Prince (the prince is J4 the playable guy). So who's dead? When Sion crushed the will of a nation (demacia) by closing his fingers around the throat of (and assumedly killing) a Jarvan, who was it? Is this retcon a flashback or flashfoward? Is it J2 who sion killed, or J5? Did Sion also die, since he fought past the point of breaking? Did neither of them die? Who are Petal and Thorn and Darkwhatever? How are we supposed to know any of this? The only thing that can cause this many questions is terrible writing.

[JasonWazza]

question: do people move their ping button from G? I tend to accidentally flash about once in three games trying to ping something.

Personally i have a gaming mouse and have pings put to each of the buttons on the mouse (and one for whatever taunt i feel like having on my champ)

[hiplop]

I couldn't imagine not having a gaming mouse in this game

active items...how do people use them on time without a gaming mouse?

[Phillammon]

The only thing that can cause this many questions is terrible writing.

or trying to pull full answers out of a teaser.

or for that matter not actually reading the teaser in question fully.

[Voidedmafia]

I could care less about the lore

So if you care less about lore (thus the only part of sion you should care about is his abilities), why in the world are you bitching about his teaser?

Not to mention what Philla said

(F is for Flash, you morons. Know your letters.)

[BROseidon]

I couldn't imagine not having a gaming mouse in this game

active items...how do people use them on time without a gaming mouse?

1-2-3-4 (trinket)

I never have more than 3 actives that doesn't involve a pink ward.

[BROseidon]

Yes. That reason being that the "thorn" character (correctly rendered as þ, often rendered as "y" in imitations of Middle English (as in "ye olde whatever"), pronounced "th" (thus making "ye olde whatever" correctly pronounced as "the old whatever")) has been all but lost to time, replaced sometimes with the "th" construct and sometimes as "f", with the original root, þlasken, having its þorn replaced with an F.

Unfortunately, my þ key is too far away from my other fingers to put þlasken on it, so I instead bind it to D. Where it belongs.

Heretic.

This is also correct.

Source: Was a linguistics major.

[BROseidon]

Janna got good also b/c which ADCs are strong changed (i.e., Cait and Graves fell out of favor. Janna pairs well with Cait, but can't do shit vs. her, and Janna sucks both with and vs. Graves. Also Janna+Old Lucian wasn't that great because you'd lose lane to the Cait), and people realized that Janna+Lucian is really strong post-Lucian rework (new Lucian cares a lot less about dominating lane, so having a Janna drag him down during the laning phase isn't a big deal. Also, the rise of Trist/Kog took a lot of pressure off the laning phase).

[BROseidon]

Janna was honestly fairly strong before, but still probably a bit worse than Nami/Morg/Braum until the past few patches.

[PJ.]

Flash starts with F for a reason.

But D stands for "Don't waste your flash when you're trying to ping or type Fuck or other various things that start with F" Flash D master race.

Only sentence I type that starts with D is "DEMACIA"

[theelkspeaks]

IMLS made a tier list awhile ago that left out Janna altogether and then put her in the D tier when he was asked about it later. I was annoyed. That may be what TES is referring to.

I am happy that he is eating his words. ^^

Basically every tier list I've seen this season has had Janna as the lowest support on the list. I don't remember whose lists they were, I read whichever ones show up on the r/LoL frontpage

Who's IMLS?

I couldn't imagine not having a gaming mouse in this game

active items...how do people use them on time without a gaming mouse?

I use 2-3-4 for my actives, and T for trinket. (2 is for Gunblade, BoRK, Mikaels, or Seraphs, 3 is for Zhonya's or GP10 actives, 4 is for potions or sightstone/wards).

[JasonWazza]

I couldn't imagine not having a gaming mouse in this game

active items...how do people use them on time without a gaming mouse?

Why would you use your Mouse for actives?


Also Should i pick up Nami or Braum as a support? (My current pool is Annie, Janna, Thresh, Morgana and on the rare occasion of a full AD enemy team Taric)

[Maestro]

SION REWORK

SUCH HYPE.

Actually excited to see what he'll be like now.

[zoraster]

So obviously we haven't had any luck with getting a new thread off the ground, but is there interest in at least starting a thread that a number of people have edit access to so that the summoner name to mafiascum name OP can be kept up to date?

[Iecerint]

I couldn't imagine not having a gaming mouse in this game

active items...how do people use them on time without a gaming mouse?

Also Should i pick up Nami or Braum as a support? (My current pool is Annie, Janna, Thresh, Morgana and on the rare occasion of a full AD enemy team Taric)

Both probably have a niche that's unfilled (Nami for when you want an Annie with sustain and more disengage; Braum for when you need a support tank, but the enemy team-comp doesn't favor Taric).

[Oman]

I'd say Braum almost 100%. My theory is that in SoloQ you can't guarantee anyone else on the team will play a tank. You can expect a zed top, Kat mid, Yi jungle, Lucian bot comp, and you're going to need to tank a lot of it. Braum does really well at tanking with few items because of his broad CC and damage reduction.


I'm interested by the prevalence of Janna, but I will not be picking her up myself. I feel that for a disengage champ I'd rather braum, nami, or (if just in lane like vs a leona) Alistar. I just think they bring more than just "the best at disengage" but that may be because I rarely see a full siege team.

[BROseidon]

Janna has a really strong lane vs. Leona b/c you troll the fuck out of her e.

[RayFrost]

Leona I feel is a vastly more consistent and reliable choice than braum in soloq and would recommend her over him most of the time in part due to the fact that braum's got pretty much no damage output and his stun relies on *other* people activating it for it to be consistent.

Leona stun is immediate, her base damage is high, and her kit is very direct: go in, do things.

Braum's stun is delayed, his base damage is low, and his kit is very indirect: block dmgs, give tankiness to squishy.

I agree with oman on the soloq theory stuff. It's why most of my soloq support games are leona / thresh even though I absolutely love playing janna/sona/zyra/nami

[BROseidon]

Zyra has huge playmaking ability in solo queue, though. She can basically 1v2 lanes.

Maybe in Bronze you don't have reliable enough ADCs to make braum effective, but by high gold/low plat ADCs know what they're doing enough that a braum+anything lane basically just beats everything that isn't a bullshit morg lane. It's pretty fun, actually.

[Klazam]

SION REWORK

SUCH HYPE.

Actually excited to see what he'll be like now.

[Maestro]

Also goes to show YES RETCONS = MORE COOL LORE MINISITES. BRING. IT. ON.

[JasonWazza]

Leona I feel is a vastly more consistent and reliable choice than braum in soloq and would recommend her over him most of the time in part due to the fact that braum's got pretty much no damage output and his stun relies on *other* people activating it for it to be consistent.

Leona stun is immediate, her base damage is high, and her kit is very direct: go in, do things.

Braum's stun is delayed, his base damage is low, and his kit is very indirect: block dmgs, give tankiness to squishy.

I agree with oman on the soloq theory stuff. It's why most of my soloq support games are leona / thresh even though I absolutely love playing janna/sona/zyra/nami

I can't leona for shit because she requires a hard engage that you can't back down on, and my timing for that is always horrible (i'm the kinda guy to go in on a thresh hook on an ezreal and manage to get under tower).

Also generally if i see a leona, i instant pick Morgana cause spell shield = useless leona.

Zyra has huge playmaking ability in solo queue, though. She can basically 1v2 lanes.

Maybe in Bronze you don't have reliable enough ADCs to make braum effective, but by high gold/low plat ADCs know what they're doing enough that a braum+anything lane basically just beats everything that isn't a bullshit morg lane. It's pretty fun, actually.

That's why i'm considering Nami over Braum, because 9/10 times (when i'm not duoing) my ADC doesn't know what his doing.

[RayFrost]

Wazza: Always be/ban morgana is a pretty solid soloq motto

If you are not picking up leona because you're bad at doing hard engages, then you're just avoiding learning a powerful soloq tool because you're not good at it right now. Gotta get used to it. Go in, learn your limits, learn their limits, and eventually you're 1v2 cuz your adc died and pulling off the double kill.

Also, nami is super super super team reliant as well imo. If you're going for a support that doesn't need an adc, go an ap support. A la zyra, brand, vel'koz

Zyra has huge playmaking ability in solo queue, though. She can basically 1v2 lanes.

Maybe in Bronze you don't have reliable enough ADCs to make braum effective, but by high gold/low plat ADCs know what they're doing enough that a braum+anything lane basically just beats everything that isn't a bullshit morg lane. It's pretty fun, actually.

I haven't gotten to play braum since hitting plat since he's been banned every game or he AND morg are open.

So I wouldn't know about braum+thing in high elo, but I know that low elo isn't reliable enough - my advice was specifically for wazza.

I'd agree that zyra is probably one of the best soloq supports for low elo based off of sheer pressure provided.