FitzOtter I (Game Over)

[Konowa]

I'm of the mind this is more role-madness bastard, rather than MINDSCREW Tar games. Initial impression reading zor's description of the game.

[Aegor]

I was not conflating anything. You made that erroneous inference; I never stated that it was town because it is proven.

No. You said

Juls' claim is demonstrably true. If someone involved is scum, Juls is town and DGB is scum with a counter.

that may not have been what you meant, but it was what you said.

You are seeing something that is not there. I never said that Juls' claim is provable and therefore it is town. At no point in my ISO can you point to that logical inference, because it does not exist. Read my post again; you will not find what you claim is there. You are inferring a connection that I simply never made.

1. That just means the mod can lie to us. It doesn't indicate anything about negative utility town roles.

Bastard games also address game mechanics and roles: death miller, changing wincons, etc.

2. Yes, but they're significantly less likely than it straight up being a scum role.

Governor is a straight-up scum role? I beg to differ. You are simply wrong.

[Untrod Tripod]

I was not conflating anything. You made that erroneous inference; I never stated that it was town because it is proven.

No. You said

Juls' claim is demonstrably true. If someone involved is scum, Juls is town and DGB is scum with a counter.

that may not have been what you meant, but it was what you said.

You are seeing something that is not there. I never said that Juls' claim is provable and therefore it is town. At no point in my ISO can you point to that logical inference, because it does not exist. Read my post again; you will not find what you claim is there. You are inferring a connection that I simply never made.

1. That just means the mod can lie to us. It doesn't indicate anything about negative utility town roles.

Bastard games also address game mechanics and roles: death miller, changing wincons, etc.

2. Yes, but they're significantly less likely than it straight up being a scum role.

Governor is a straight-up scum role? I beg to differ. You are simply wrong.

I believe you that you didn't mean that. Moving on.

The things that you named are just variations on the moderator being allowed to lie to players.

I didn't say governor was a scum role. My point was that I find the role that Juls claimed to be far more likely to be scum than town.

[DrippingGoofball]

I want people to vote on whether they want me to un-neighborize farside and HI.

[DrippingGoofball]

I meant un-loverize, for all of you pedants.

[Untrod Tripod]

um

it's un-loverize, right?

[Untrod Tripod]

ha.

anyway it's not pedantry because THERE'S A BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE THERE

[Hostile Intent]

I vote for un-loverize.

[farside22]

So you think DGB is lying? The role makes sense as Town if you assume Juls is Scum? I'm confused as to the thought process here.

I think dgb is lying about her ability and both are scum together.
If true, she should use her ability.

UNVOTE:

Well that's interesting.

I am an un-loverizer.

provided you're town, that makes juls likely scum....

VOTE: hiplop

Juls' claim is demonstrably true. If someone involved is scum, Juls is town and DGB is scum with a counter.

I see no reason whatsoever to lynch Juls.

DBG; do not use your ability.

This post makes no sense.
You think juls role is town, dgb is scum and you vote hiplop.
Why should dbg not use her ability?

[The Bulge]

I read Day 1 overnight. Catching up Day 2.

[farside22]

I vote for un-loverize.

[farside22]

Also juls no case and shoving her ability as a reason to town read her is scummy.
Refusal to explain scum reads and saying it was based on those people suspected is scummy.
Especially consider most of the people were not scum reading me or HI.

[farside22]

Aegor: explain how this whole game from juls reads town, considering her and how she makes cases.

[The Bulge]

Mid-reading note: Why the fuck are people trying to do serious setup spec in a bastard game?

[The Bulge]

Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help

[The Bulge]

I'm busy tonight for the next ~3.5 hours and I'll make srs posts after that

[farside22]

Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help

Yea, I don't give 2 figs that juls role did what it did. She is scum not explaining fuck all.

[Untrod Tripod]

Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help

yeah well if you were actually reading AND comprehending you'd see that the second half of that argument is that her claimed ability was used in a super scummy way

[The Bulge]

Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help

yeah well if you were actually reading AND comprehending you'd see that the second half of that argument is that her claimed ability was used in a super scummy way

I get that. I'm not discrediting that. But I'm also seeing a lot of "it doesn't make sense for {town/scum} to have that role" which is not valid.

[Untrod Tripod]

okay good

focus on that part because setup spec happens but you can choose to ignore it and be okay

[farside22]

Like half of what I'm reading right now is "Scum wouldn't have ______" or "_____ role is super scumfuckery die scum" like just stop that it doesn't help

yeah well if you were actually reading AND comprehending you'd see that the second half of that argument is that her claimed ability was used in a super scummy way

I get that. I'm not discrediting that. But I'm also seeing a lot of "it doesn't make sense for {town/scum} to have that role" which is not valid.

I can't remember who said that.
I just know it's not my case.

[Juls]

Also juls no case and shoving her ability as a reason to town read her is scummy.
Refusal to explain scum reads and saying it was based on those people suspected is scummy.
Especially consider most of the people were not scum reading me or HI.

If you fail so hard at reading then I am not going to explain it to you anymore. The fact that you are misrepresenting me is another reason you are scum.

I VOTE

NOT

TO UN-LOVERIZE HI and Farside....Let them hang!!!

[Aegor]

Aegor: explain how this whole game from juls reads town, considering her and how she makes cases.

My default is town because that is the statistical probability, and Juls has done nothing to make me question that default.

[Konowa]

What statistical probability? Her role?

[Aegor]

Alignment. There are more town than scum. Generally.