Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Ceph, can you explain your scumread on Nashville?

[Baboon Pride]

Thing is... FT doesn't actually answer any of Anatole's issues with him. And I don't think it's fair to say that Anatole made clear that Honey was a compromise vote. It's more that AK intimated that FT was a compromise lynch, he really wanted to lynch Honey who was his 'best gut scum read.' Anatole feels like he's blowing in the wind here. His response today is that he was pretty much happy to lynch either of Honey and FT (or Nashville). The way he reacts to FourT's line of questioning makes me wonder why he had voted FT in the first place... as if he couldn't really defend it, and jumped off as soon as it came under any criticism. We hear that Honey was always his strongest read, but that he was voting because of an impending deadline.

This feels spot on.

Baboon votes there stopping people from reading Fonz as the town he is.

This is a load of bull. When has that ever happened in the history of mafia.

-Ceph

This still happened.

2) Not for beetlejuicing. Amished tell. I don't really like 5-Off and I'm starting to question my townread on BP, but not enough where I'll want to lynch them.

~M

The world isn't black and white and I'm not sure you really think it is. Add to this that you've been harping on (I apologize for my phrasing) Oka without ever actually pressuring, voting, or trying to interact with him, and I don't feel too great.

because it shows what our thinking was in our night actions. We 'watched' f16 because we thought that the slot was going to be killed until we realized we had a tracker type role instead of a watcher. Our flavor kinda threw us off.

That doesn't answer my question at all.

I asked 'why you tracked <townread>' and instead of 'we thought we were

watching

townread' she said 'why are you trying to extrapolate who I might target tomorrow'

That makes no sense at all even normally, but definitely doesn't considering what you just told me. If she (or you) knew I was misinterpreting your mindset it makes no sense to think I'm scummy for asking about it.

-b

This. There is no reason for the way they've been reacting.

I was NOT being cagey CS. There's literally no reason for you to need to know who we choose and why. That information only helps the scumteam. I don't answer that shit until I got a guilty. The fact of the matter is we do not.

"I'm not being cagey but here's some cageyness". -.-

I still love Baboon as scum. Kinda glad the Mara head is absent. Mala can interact with Cephrir and come to the same realization that Cephrir ain't all that town.

Please tell me how this is like my scum game. I'm listening. Entertain me.

I also would like to investigate whether CS and AK are CCs, share similar flavor or what.

>accuses CS of rolefishing
>rolefishes CS


-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Players I'm interested in lynching today, at present: 5-off, Nashville, Oka, AK.

Obviously this needs narrowing/refining, which I'm hoping I'll get some of from ISOing the dead scum.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

-Fonz– I totally agree with ft that not voting lissa was bad. Hesitance to vote always is a scum tell to me and the no reasoning on why rubs me in the wrong way. Plus there's really no point to paying attention to post restrictions anyways so I am perturbed why he focused on players who mentioned it.
Fonz needs to answer FT's q when he get's back.
VOTE: the Fonz
-5 off- Read their iso, a bunch of side questions that I've seen no conclusion to, no pushing for anything. 294 is suppose to be a joke right? It feels out of place with the way the rest of your posts feel. What are your reads as of now?
-Nashville dreaming- This one I can't really explain as much, as it's mostly gut feels with the tammy interactions. I know you want to keep secret, but may you please tell me if one of you have played with me before? This would help my read on you, thanks.

I know I often despise this kind of thinking, but I'm feeling like this is a bus on 5-off or nashville

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

@ 5-off:
Why is day phase one useless? I get the sense that your posting is bidding your time which now makes sense, but I guess it's strange to me that a person who relies on gut would discount the first day (as people who usually do so rely on vc nk analysis, pr roles too). For reference, my gut is usually active very early before I even really think about the game.
Also, when is the time to start having reads?

Coaching?

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

Meh, not sure I believe the posts I just made above. Not getting much of any use here, really, except for things I can easily spin myself in WIFOM circles about.

-Ceph

[Anatole Kuragin]

I also have had a weird feeling about nashville just due to loose threads so I was willing to vote her too - if she had been lynched and come up scum it would have more or less telegraphed the alignments of several slots.

3) Yes. Most importantly, I started to townread Lissa when she finally posted her reads, but after the lynch/flip of Honey I felt that her vote on Honey was bussing

There are two things I want you to unpack here, bonus points if you can find both

-Ceph

How many bonus points do I get if I ask you to rephrase the question clearly?

[Baboon Pride]

VOTE: Oka

Lets make this a thing, then

[Anatole Kuragin]

That was a bad vote when nashville made it and it's a bad vote now.

[Baboon Pride]

I dont see why not, though.

Everyone who isnt cutty, falcon, or nash is fair game at this point in time.

I would still really like to keep 5-off and lissa off the table, as well but read there is wavering for me

[Anatole Kuragin]

I don't see the evidence for an Oka lynch. Titus tried to make a case on Csareo and failed miserably - there's not much there besides his actions regarding our flavor claims and that is all null - town because there is no scum motivation at all for it unless...

Oka is third party killer and gave out those flavors hoping mafia would kill PRs?

[OkaPoka]

The notion that im scum is beyond me.

[The Fonz]

@Baboon: "Associative scumhunting is a useful tool, please allow it to be used." Creating connections between partners and townies is a useful and commonly-deployed scum tool, please allow it to be pointed out. I know you agree with this, because you complained about FT 'mashing' yourself and me earlier. Of course, you can look at interactions and see if they're damning. Hence me questioning your soft defence of Honey. If AK had been pointing to a specific hb/lissa interaction and saying it seemed fake, or pointing out that one had ignored the other at a point when he thought town would have said something, that's valid scumhunting. That's not what AK did though. In so far as there are similarities between them, it's that they're both low-content, fluffy n00b posters. That's not an associational tell. That's 'trying to tie.'

And hydra dissonance is fucking annoying and impedes scumhunting. Deal with it. I've tried my best not to gripe about this in thread, but you can't expect people not to show a little frustration as a result. In fact, the thing you're responding to would be a gigantic scumtell in a single player, so of course I'm going to point it out.

I would like you to explain why you suspect 5-Off, since he's flown under most everyone's radar since he came out with his hood info, and there's NFW I'm buying your Oka suspicion.

[Cutty Shark]

Everyone who isnt cutty, falcon, or nash is fair game at this point in time.

What the fuck is Nashville doing on that list

[The Fonz]

I dont see why not, though.

Everyone who isnt cutty, falcon, or nash is fair game at this point in time.

I would still really like to keep 5-off and lissa off the table, as well but read there is wavering for me

So you want to keep two of the four players your partner is willing to consider lynching off the table?

Sigh.

[Lissa]

Alright I'm sorry, long story short I am pretty busy today and was busier over the weekend than I expected.

Here are some thoughts~
I want 5-off's replacement to clarify if his role PM confirms there is scum in the neighborhood. and I want to see what they say, in general. I am still not sure about baboon.
Cutty is probably town. F-16 and Fonz are probably town. I think ffery is town.
The thing with csareo and anatole seems too crazy to be made up, the question is whether csareo/oka's role is town. I'm not really liking oka's posting. So not sure what to think of that slot right now.
I'm still leaning towards thinking anatole is town because 1. csareo/anatole thing 2. fakeclaiming an apparently confirmable role would be dangerous wouldn't it? and he seems to genuinely believe someone out there has an item for him. 3. I just generally find his posting town for the most part.

Okay, I probably won't be posting again until tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon. sorry.

[Baboon Pride]

@Baboon: "Associative scumhunting is a useful tool, please allow it to be used." Creating connections between partners and townies is a useful and commonly-deployed scum tool, please allow it to be pointed out. I know you agree with this, because you complained about FT 'mashing' yourself and me earlier. Of course, you can look at interactions and see if they're damning. Hence me questioning your soft defence of Honey. If AK had been pointing to a specific hb/lissa interaction and saying it seemed fake, or pointing out that one had ignored the other at a point when he thought town would have said something, that's valid scumhunting. That's not what AK did though. In so far as there are similarities between them, it's that they're both low-content, fluffy n00b posters. That's not an associational tell. That's 'trying to tie.'

Without looking back to check the validity of this claim-- yeah, fine.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

I dont see why not, though.

Everyone who isnt cutty, falcon, or nash is fair game at this point in time.

I would still really like to keep 5-off and lissa off the table, as well but read there is wavering for me

So you want to keep two of the four players your partner is willing to consider lynching off the table?

Sigh.

I don't even know man. I don't even know.

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

I also have had a weird feeling about nashville just due to loose threads so I was willing to vote her too - if she had been lynched and come up scum it would have more or less telegraphed the alignments of several slots.

3) Yes. Most importantly, I started to townread Lissa when she finally posted her reads, but after the lynch/flip of Honey I felt that her vote on Honey was bussing

There are two things I want you to unpack here, bonus points if you can find both

-Ceph

How many bonus points do I get if I ask you to rephrase the question clearly?

-Which slots would it telegraph the alignments of/why/is that not still true?
-Why was her vote on Honey bussing?

-Ceph

[Anatole Kuragin]

1) It gets murky if there is an SK, but her and CS are almost certainly not on a scumteam together. If it happened we could go back and find some other stuff like this. Not gonna waste the time on the associatives without the flip.

2) This is something I've gone into detail about (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6222242), especially regarding Honey Bee's posts. Honey Bee barely posted, but managed to come in and question me whenever I was putting pressure on Lissa. Towards the end of the Honey Bee lynch, Lissa kept delaying her reads she had promised until finally voting Honey. Fonz is trying to weave a narrative that Lissa is the one that really caused a momentum swing for that wagon and that I just voted for the fuck of it or the most ill-timed bus, neither of which is vintage anatole.

[Baboon Pride]

CS is one slot, you said several :p

Apologies for missing the second part, probably missed due to not paying attention. I'm not sure I get why we'd give more townpoints to a vote that lends momentum over one that does not if both are made in similar fashion, I could see it if there was an accompanying case, but yeah

-Ceph

[Baboon Pride]

I dont see why not, though.

Everyone who isnt cutty, falcon, or nash is fair game at this point in time.

I would still really like to keep 5-off and lissa off the table, as well but read there is wavering for me

So you want to keep two of the four players your partner is willing to consider lynching off the table?

Sigh.

Yes.

As annoying qs hydra dis is, though you really think this is a marascumdra considering that one game we did play together in?

Everyone who isnt cutty, falcon, or nash is fair game at this point in time.

What the fuck is Nashville doing on that list

There was a sliver of a moment where, despite my read on mala, titus had eroded that town read her partner had built up, and I had a strong desire to kill the slot.

Then, all the games I had with titus flashed before my eyes, and I decided once and for all that the hydra couldnt ever be scum, ever.

[Nashville Dreams]

Prod dodge. Will read later.

~Titus

[Cutty Shark]

though you really think this is a marascumdra considering that one game we did play together in?

hahahahahahahahaha

[Nashville Dreams]

I don't see the evidence for an Oka lynch. Titus tried to make a case on Csareo and failed miserably - there's not much there besides his actions regarding our flavor claims and that is all null - town because there is no scum motivation at all for it unless...

Oka is third party killer and gave out those flavors hoping mafia would kill PRs?

We are on Day 3. There should be more from the slot than his claim. Oka hasn't done jackshit either.

However, if Oka is giving out flavors, why wouldn't he give ours (cameraman) as it would most obviously be a PR in this setup. If you and CS are the same town strongmen for lack of a better convept, you are the closest thing to vts.