FitzOtter I (Game Over)

[Konowa]

DGB, anything on Juls?

[farside22]

What is the point of dgb's ability if juls ends after one day.

It's pretty obvious to me that my power exists to immediately remove Juls' action, and that players would be expected to announce their loverizing.

YOU ARE SO SCUM

Why else would you try to paint both Juls and I as scum????????????????????????????????

Says the player not wanting to "confirm" her ability and if you thought HI was town you could, if claim was fact, stop him from being tied to me.
So your reason for wanting to lynch someone you claim a town read on but you claim to be able to prevent it from happening is what now?

[farside22]

Oh and if dgb thought her "power" was to stop juls, why is juls not scum in her view.

Someone should ask dgb to explain that, since she hasn't explain shit this game either

[AurorusVox]

Fuck.

Just copy-pasted a quote before pasting my last post.


The long and short of it was that I found juls' reasoning for Loverizing farside dodgy. She claims that she did it "for the town" and has actually called farside null; then claimed that farside misrepping her was "another reason" she was scum (insinuating that there are multiple reasons) despite repeatedly and outwardly said that she won't say why she finds farside scum. Yet she had 3 living scum reads going into N1 that she then did not loverize. Why did you do "the noble thing" and "leave it to the town" rather than picking off two of your scum reads, juls? And can you give me a clear answer to this question: do you think farside is scum?

(Also I thought she had implied that her power would be a big towncard when she revealed it. I am underwhelmed.)

[Juls]

The other reasons I mentioned is how she is reacting to my claim and how she is refusing to answer my questions. I didn't go back and check to confirm the order in which I have had these suspicions so don't even start saying the chicken before the egg crap. My 3 reasons for thinking farside is acting like scum are:
1) her over-the-top reactions to me loverizing her
2) her misrepresenting the reason I chose her
3) her unwillingness to answer direct questions from me because she thinks I am scum.

I still would like people who are voting me to answer my questions. Once you lynch me you will know that saying "partner" wasn't a slip so answer the questions now while I am alive and can give my opinion of your answers.

[Juls]

Why does scum-Juls claim neighbor/loverizor?
When I flip town, who is scum?
If I am scum, who is my partner?
If this claim is so "dumb", who would allow me to claim it?

People voting me need to answer these questions.

[Konowa]

Even though I am leaning towards voting you Juls, 1 and 4 are loaded as presented so I won't be answering. 3 is a dumb question, or perhaps I'm finally getting away from the "find the most likely team" train of thought, so I won't be answering. 2 is the only objectively okay question and first impression would be UT.

[Juls]

I disagree about loaded questions. How does it hurt you to answer the questions? I'm not going to fight my lynch no matter how dumb I think it is. The fact that everyone is so eager to lynch me makes me think that I am right on target with at least one of my picks. DGB worries me somewhat now simply for the fact that I get paranoid since if she is scum she knows I am the inevitable lynch and she doesn't want to be on it.

[Konowa]

Loaded questions are just cheapboxofwine discussion. Feel free to disagree as you have, but yeah.

[Juls]

Then explain how the first is loaded? Tell me the scum motivation. Especially since everyone disagrees and thinks that it's a more scum-sided role. I admit the lack of kill looks bad and won't argue that point. I'm basically asking people to defend their arguments. All I have gotten is basically "I don't like her neighbor choices" or "I am underwhelmed by her claim". So whatever. I played it wrong...maybe...I'm not sure I even agree that I did, but how does that make me scum?

[Konowa]

Perhaps loaded is the wrong term? I just don't see alignment deriving from those questions, personally.

I think HI and farside are both Town, and said as much D1. Maybe I'm missing it, but...

Scum: HI,

ika

, Bulge, AV

..wouldn't optimal play be to loverize two of your scum reads from D1? Your reasons for farside D2 I concede, but that doesn't explain why farside was loverized N1? Did I miss that somewhere?

[Juls]

I basically took my top scum read and the towns top scum read from d1 and put them together.

[AurorusVox]

Okay I think I get that you are saying that you think that she is scum SINCE you Loverized her. But you have yet to explain why the strategy that you employed makes more sense than putting YOUR two scumreads together?

[Juls]

Also, the fourth question is important as well. Farside is trying to link DGB and I. Would DGB let me make that claim? I said my second part of my role makes me town. Wouldn't I come up with something better than that? I'm the inevitable lynch, why wouldn't I claim some sort of cop ability with my neighborization to potentially out a cop or get two people lynched at once sacrificing myself. I am obviously extremely biased here but I think scum-Juls comes up with a better claim. Go read the only game I have played as scum since my return (Such Unusual Pretermen...Too) Meta me. I obsess over my claim as scum. I realize self-meta is self-meta but I don't know what else to say. My main goal is to get people to talk here so at least you guys have info when I die but nobody is willing to engage.

[Juls]

Okay I think I get that you are saying that you think that she is scum SINCE you Loverized her. But you have yet to explain why the strategy that you employed makes more sense than putting YOUR two scumreads together?

Because HI was the only person I had a strong scum read on. Farside flipping to me before the end of day one also didn't help her cause. I thought if I put farside with HI I could get the person I wanted out and the town could get who they wanted. Trying to convince the town to lynch HI and someone else may have been more difficult since I was the only one really supporting an HI lynch. So it was basically to entice town to lynch the way I wanted to.

[farside22]

The other reasons I mentioned is how she is reacting to my claim and how she is refusing to answer my questions. I didn't go back and check to confirm the order in which I have had these suspicions so don't even start saying the chicken before the egg crap. My 3 reasons for thinking farside is acting like scum are:
1) her over-the-top reactions to me loverizing her
2) her misrepresenting the reason I chose her
3) her unwillingness to answer direct questions from me because she thinks I am scum.

I still would like people who are voting me to answer my questions. Once you lynch me you will know that saying "partner" wasn't a slip so answer the questions now while I am alive and can give my opinion of your answers.

Juls is scum because:

1)Let's see I made a case she never responded to.
2)I asked you questions she never anwsered or explained.
3) says it was for the town despite the wagon that dissipated over time
4) says no one cares about the quick wagons then proceeds to quick lunch Kia
5) I've ask her for her reasons why she agreed or found the reaction scummy and she doesn't respond.
6) I showed quotes of her asking why her role would be given to scum, hence my comment about her throwing her role to town read her.

Let me know if I missed anything.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm just going to lay this vote here.

Vote: Konowa

[farside22]

Also, the fourth question is important as well. Farside is trying to link DGB and I. Would DGB let me make that claim? I said my second part of my role makes me town. Wouldn't I come up with something better than that? I'm the inevitable lynch, why wouldn't I claim some sort of cop ability with my neighborization to potentially out a cop or get two people lynched at once sacrificing myself. I am obviously extremely biased here but I think scum-Juls comes up with a better claim. Go read the only game I have played as scum since my return (Such Unusual Pretermen...Too) Meta me. I obsess over my claim as scum. I realize self-meta is self-meta but I don't know what else to say. My main goal is to get people to talk here so at least you guys have info when I die but nobody is willing to engage.

Wifom alert
Wisdom alert.

Players linked as lovers and some fake claim that makes no sense sounds like scum?
Oh that's right all you have done is wifom or why would I do X as scum instead of giving views.

[farside22]

Okay I think I get that you are saying that you think that she is scum SINCE you Loverized her. But you have yet to explain why the strategy that you employed makes more sense than putting YOUR two scumreads together?

Because HI was the only person I had a strong scum read on. Farside flipping to me before the end of day one also didn't help her cause. I thought if I put farside with HI I could get the person I wanted out and the town could get who they wanted. Trying to convince the town to lynch HI and someone else may have been more difficult since I was the only one really supporting an HI lynch. So it was basically to entice town to lynch the way I wanted to.

This post tells me she isn't reading the game at all.

[farside22]

Oh and she wants to lunch a player that made a case instead of explaining why she quick wagoners a player after complaining about a qw.

[Juls]

Farside, let me talk slow so you understand.....

I.........am.........fine.......with........my.........lynch

You can quit your condescending crap. Lynch me, I don't give a flying fuck.

But just because I actually am town and don't act like a child when someone votes me, let me answer your case. 1 and 2 are the pit calling the kettle black since you have outright refused to answer me because I am "scum". But I have answered you repeatedly. You are starting to sound like Wake. Point out the points that you say I have not responded to and I will do so (probably again). Your 3rd point is not logical because your wagon only died as people voted for ika. So you were the last leading wagon who is still alive. Your 4th point has already been addressed by me. He threatened to self hammer, I voted him cause a) that's anti-town and b) to see if he was serious. The way he was acting I expected him to flip jester or something. If his flip is legit he is dumb for self-hammering. I have asks always will vote for people who self-vote outside of joking in RVS or threaten to. Also, my wagon was a quick wagon on me which I know to be town so your arguing this as a point is dumb. I have no idea what you are saying in point 5. And your point 6 I really don't get either but I think you are saying that I said my role would be given to town not scum which I did. My point of contention with you was that you were saying I was "throwing it in peoples faces" which I was not.


VOTE: Farside

[Juls]

Asks=and

[farside22]

Farside, let me talk slow so you understand.....

I.........am.........fine.......with........my.........lynch

You can quit your condescending crap. Lynch me, I don't give a flying fuck.

But just because I actually am town and don't act like a child when someone votes me, let me answer your case. 1 and 2 are the pit calling the kettle black since you have outright refused to answer me because I am "scum". But I have answered you repeatedly. You are starting to sound like Wake. Point out the points that you say I have not responded to and I will do so (probably again). Your 3rd point is not logical because your wagon only died as people voted for ika. So you were the last leading wagon who is still alive. Your 4th point has already been addressed by me. He threatened to self hammer, I voted him cause a) that's anti-town and b) to see if he was serious. The way he was acting I expected him to flip jester or something. If his flip is legit he is dumb for self-hammering. I have asks always will vote for people who self-vote outside of joking in RVS or threaten to. Also, my wagon was a quick wagon on me which I know to be town so your arguing this as a point is dumb. I have no idea what you are saying in point 5. And your point 6 I really don't get either but I think you are saying that I said my role would be given to town not scum which I did. My point of contention with you was that you were saying I was "throwing it in peoples faces" which I was not.


VOTE: Farside

The only questioned you asked me was my thought on HI. If there was other questions let me know.
If you read the game I responded to that day 1.
Oh and what I'm doing is called making a case on a player I think is scum. I understand it is a novel concept.
Wait no it is something I see you do in other games but not here.

What points made by players made a case valid. That's 4 times I've asked you that by the way.

Why would you join a quick lunch just for anti town behavior instead of scum hunting?
Honey did you even look at the questions you asked?

Why does scum-Juls claim neighbor/loverizor?
When I flip town, who is scum?
If I am scum, who is my partner?
If this claim is so "dumb", who would allow me to claim it?

People voting me need to answer these questions.

1) is what I say you are doing
2) I think your scum so I don't expect to think about this but on the 5% chance you checked your brain out and did something anti-town for the reasons you claim I would look at hiplop and bulge and abr.
3) I anwsered
3) is wifom that gives no fucking alignment info and is useless.

[Juls]

What points made by players made a case valid. That's 4 times I've asked you that by the way.

If this is what you are saying I haven't responded to then I know why. I have NO idea what you are asking here.

Why do you keep saying that I quick lynched him? I voted him for threatening to self-hammer. I have voted other people who have self voted before. See Faster Than Light Mafia where I did the same thing. I was town. Last I checked there were 5 other people on that wagon beside me and ika. I've already said this but since you can't be bothered to actually read my words you haven't seen it.

Also claiming I'm not making a case on someone is a lie as well. I have been explaining why I think you are scum. I explained why I felt HI was scummy on day one. I explained why I voted ika and the rest of this game has been monopolized by people suspecting me. How often do you see the prime suspect getting the opportunity to do much more than respond to suspicion? I'm explaining why I am town and responding to people as they make comments and saying why I think they are scum/town. It's not very easy to write a long winded case on someone when everyone suspects you. It's called having to be on the defensive rather than the offensive. It's not a position I find myself in very often but I am trying to improve my game for when I am. So thanks for giving me the opportunity.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, anything on Juls?

She sounds sincere in her with to hang farside and HI, as evidenced by boldallcaps. Lean town.