Mini 1602: Game Over

[SleepyKrew]

VC 3.03

nopointinactingup

(2) - Malakittens, implosion

phokdapolees

(2) - sthar8, nopointinactingup

BipolarChemist

(1) - Aneninen

sthar8

(1) - BipolarChemist

Not Voting

(3) - AGar, phokdapolees, notscience

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 3 deadline will hit in: (expired on 2014-09-29 14:47:42).

BipolarChemist is V/LA until the 24th.

phokdapolees has been prodded.

[BipolarChemist]

I apparently need to annoucne VLA here. Ugh. Whatevs I hope you're happy Skrew. (sorry guys and gals, I'm legit sick this week)

[phokdapolees]

Sorry guys, I've really been slacking on this game. I'll be doing a full reread tonight (possibly tomorrow if I don't finish) and posting my thoughts.

[nopointinactingup]

Re-read some of Neil's posts, some stuff stood out:

Riabi has the right idea. Rack should have / should provide meta on Tammy, if it's proving Tammy is coming from a scum-motivated mindset.

It makes no sense to not want to help town out in any way you can if you're town yourself?

Riabi gets town points, Rack is null for the moment (his townie point before is taken away).

This is clearing Rack/Sthar to a large extent. Seems like he knew Rack slot is town.

He (Neil)
1> read Phok strongly as town,
2> softly labeled riabi/BP slot as town
3> gave a slight scum read on tmand/not science slot
4> gave town point then took away, finalizing in a null for implosion

I don't think he would be so outspoken about Phok being town if Phok was his buddy, so this makes Phok looks a little better.

Also, Neil's last act makes me think he was actually genuinely frustrated at the push at him. In his last post, he was still trying to salvage the game. This lead me to believe that the final push on him was likely town-driven. Ane is cleared again here And Implosion looks slightly better.

[nopointinactingup]

This game needs to pick up btw

[nopointinactingup]

RL is harder than I thought it would be.

WRT npiau: I can imagine interpreting what I did with the neil wagon as scummy, but ultimately I did it as town. I guess the most accurate defense I can give is simply that the pattern of voting that I gave is something that I would in fact do as town (seeing as I did). It might also be something that I would do as scum. For it to be a strong argument in favor of me being scum, there has to be some good reason that I would not have done that as town or that I would be unlikely to.

Your conviction on Neil scum was very high before he soft-claimed (when you first unvoted) and still very high by the time he cop claimed (when you unvoted again). When you said you wanted to think about it in post 398, it could either be town trying to be cautious or scum trying to figure out the reaction of the claim and whether it sticks. Given your articulation against this claim, however, I think the 2nd is more likely the option.

However, there is something.
My main reason for calling Phok town is his Day1 voting pattern, detailed in my post 462. For those who are voting for Phok: please, explain why my logic is flawed if I townread him and/or point out as many things as you can about the scum!Phok.

Can you read my first post Vote count analysis. There was a lot of stuff on Phok there.

[Aneninen]

@NPIAU So, are you saying that Phok removed his vote from the Flames wagon performing a weak excuse for doing that? Phok's 91 seems to be null for me. What is disturbing me in the scum!Phok theory is VC1.13. After Neil's arrival the former wagon against Flames started to disband. Phok jumped on it and it looks like an unnecessary bussing for me. He could have jumped on the Tman wagon or could have returned to the Rack wagon. The VCA of Day2 tells me nothing about Phok. The only thing i noticed that he keeps producing very little content.

By the way, I found something interesting. Implosion says in 19 the following:

"Flames isn't scummy though."

. Isn't it a strange ascertainment on the first page? (Or was it a joke I don't understand?)

@Sthar8: what's your case against Phok?

@MalaKitty: Why do you think NPIAU is scum?

[implosion]

By the way, I found something interesting. Implosion says in 19 the following: "Flames isn't scummy though.". Isn't it a strange ascertainment on the first page? (Or was it a joke I don't understand?)

It was a serious statement, because I found Tammy to be town, and so the next thing I would have done would be sheep Tammy, but I didn't think Flames was scummy.


@npiau: honestly it's probably pretty informative to compare my play to the game I mentioned. I linked to it in this post. iirc I unvoted the cop claim in that game too even though I still had a pretty good amount of conviction. I think even with a high degree of conviction it's an automatic response of sorts to unvote a strong power role claim.

[SleepyKrew]

Malakittens has been prodded.

[SleepyKrew]

phokdapolees has requested replacement.

[sthar8]

Busier than I thought at work. Back tonight.

[SleepyKrew]

Bert replaces phokdapolees.

[Malakittens]

Have two days off! Dw I'll be here!

[Bert]

Hi Mala!

My predecessor is one of the coolest MafiaScum human beans to grace Mafiascum in the world of Mafiascum.

This game is going to BOUNCE to life! Let me know what I can do to put some bounce in your step!

Thank you!

- your fellow Human BEAN

Not Beano, but BEAN. Just making sure.

[SleepyKrew]

AGar has been prodded.

[Bert]

another prod?

So disappointing! I'm disappointed in you, Agar. How prod-worthy-like!

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ok i havent read the game so i cant talk lol, but i will today! i have one thing to say - stop getting prodded! i dont want that malady to reach me

[AGar]

Blech.

I need to get motivated for this game.

It will happen. Not tonight but it will.

[Bert]

If you don't get motivated, I will be a sad panda

[nopointinactingup]

This prod gallore. Deadline's coming guys ...

Hi Mala!

My predecessor is one of the coolest MafiaScum human beans to grace Mafiascum in the world of Mafiascum.

Why so?

This game is going to BOUNCE to life! Let me know what I can do to put some bounce in your step!

I need your thoughts ASAP on my accusation on your slot.

[Bert]

What was so scummy about Phok and Neil's interactions? And yeah, phok is a cool dude outside mafia games. We go way back.

[sthar8]

@Sthar8: what's your case against Phok?

Three salient points:

1. Resisting the narrowing of the lynch pool- I know you guys might disagree with this, but properly applied it is the single most effective scumtell I have ever used. It only applies to phok in the minor form, but unless he has a real case on BPC (which I don't see anywhere) he's majorly scummy.

2. His voting record. He's pretty clearly looking for easy lynches day 2, and day 1 reads like an archetypal "forced to bus my idiot partner."

3. His reaction to pressure on him was to lurk and replace. Looks like frustrated scum to me. Like, scum who lost a buddy to shitty play d1.

Not thrilled with bert's entrance, which is too bad because bert is awesome. NP is obvious town, which is again a point for phok-scum trying to push the mislynch while the slot was vacant, before it could get replaced and start looking like town.

[notscience]

Hi bert

[Aneninen]

Hi, Bert!

@Sthar8, as for Phok.
(1) is not too strong in my eyes, after all he didn't try hard to resist and he could have sheeped me by voting for BPC if he were scum (as far as I know, I'm the only one who's already provided a case against BPC).
(2) may be true but I think his vote was unnecessary. In that situation he could have supported another case instead. Though, as far as I can remember, Neil was strongly townreading Phok which might be a bad gameplay but still, might be an (yet again, unnecessary) soft-defense.
(3) is definitely true. I can also add: he has been pretty active on this site – apart from this thread. Hmmmmm...

[sthar8]

he didn't want to lynch BPC today. He wanted BPC to be a viable mislynch for later in the game.

[sthar8]

Like, town doesn't have to plan out who they think they can talk people into voting for on later days. That's a scumthing.