===Mini 1615: Locked in the Asylum=== GAME OVER

[Thestatusquo]

If you say so. I'm not too concerned with that, though.

[MattP]

This is the type of conversation that only some very weird people look forward to

[Untrod Tripod]

It's been too long since I've played regularly for me to answer that question but with the caveat that like 60% of players seem like VIs to me these days.

You can actually get fucked with that elitist attitude

the jealousy is strong with this one.

[MattP]

UT is very weird

[MattP]

UT is scum by the way, so people know to lynch him eventually

[MattP]

Like I'm already very confident and vaguely remember his scum play being this transparent in prior games

Aggravating counterproductive conversation between TSQ and Guyett and one-liners that aren't helpful. Drank coffee immediately

[Untrod Tripod]

Like I'm already very confident and vaguely remember his scum play being this transparent in prior games

Aggravating counterproductive conversation between TSQ and Guyett and one-liners that aren't helpful. Drank coffee immediately

you're wrong. sorry. although to be fair my game has kind of changed a lot since the last time we played together so maybe don't rely on meta based on old trends.

[MattP]

The meta point was not the basis of my read, it's a side thought

[Untrod Tripod]

whatever you say sweetcheeks

[LimMePls]

Being pretentious and obnoxious is a negative trait.

Negative traits from a general personality view, or negative for the town?

I'd probably shoot and/or lynch LMP for #80.

I don't even...

Guyett = VI guys?

Still waiting for responses.

Yeah, pretty confident where my vote will be going during the actual vote phase.

Glad for you.

Drank coffee immediately

Hmm, missed this. Thanks for pointing that out.

@Mod: V/LA for regular weekend family duties

[Thestatusquo]

Yeah, I'm also generally more LA on weekends as well, though I try to pop in at least once a day.

[PeregrineV]

@Lynch-

Grats!

@Guyett-

Why so mean?

@Konowa-

Why?

@Anatole-

Why so fluffy?

Re:status online-

I don't know how to toggle it, so I suppose it's default (I think on since I've seen my name at the bottom before)

@shos- Limited Access this weekend

(kind of normal, but actually going to be out of town most of it).

I like TSQ & his posts- why does he have so many fake votes?

I think we should drink coffee as close to the max time as possible.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Pere, do you think my posts are more fluffy than yours?

[Thestatusquo]

@Lynch-

Grats!

@Guyett-

Why so mean?

@Konowa-

Why?

@Anatole-

Why so fluffy?

Re:status online-

I don't know how to toggle it, so I suppose it's default (I think on since I've seen my name at the bottom before)

@shos- Limited Access this weekend

(kind of normal, but actually going to be out of town most of it).

I like TSQ & his posts- why does he have so many fake votes?

I think we should drink coffee as close to the max time as possible.

Why not propose an answer to the question "why does he have so many fake votes" instead of just asking. What do you think? For someone who complained about fluff like 3 times in this post, the entire post itself is fluff.

[PeregrineV]

Pere, do you think my posts are more fluffy than yours?

Only about 45% of them. But I may be confused as to your play, since I was convinced of town you in Timeshift- and it was not this.

[PeregrineV]

@Lynch-

Grats!

@Guyett-

Why so mean?

@Konowa-

Why?

@Anatole-

Why so fluffy?

Re:status online-

I don't know how to toggle it, so I suppose it's default (I think on since I've seen my name at the bottom before)

@shos- Limited Access this weekend

(kind of normal, but actually going to be out of town most of it).

I like TSQ & his posts- why does he have so many fake votes?

I think we should drink coffee as close to the max time as possible.

Why not propose an answer to the question "why does he have so many fake votes" instead of just asking. What do you think? For someone who complained about fluff like 3 times in this post, the entire post itself is fluff.

Because my answer is you seem to be jumping right into scumhunting, which is a good thing. But now, it's probably because you seem hyper-aggressive to everyone. So, you are right, I did answer my own question.

This post is shorthand, because I don't have time for explaining the backstory behind each question. They will either get it because they already know, or they will ask.

[Dry-fit]

I legitimately do not believe that Anatole could think either of the two posters in the scum QT sound like TSQ

There are now four names that have posted in the scum qt, so the same scumbag can post under more than one name. Both of the posters could have been the same person.

Why are you RVS'ing and ignoring someone begging to have the rules explained to them? Town wouldn't ignore the plea for help. Also, why didn't you ask the mod that question before now?

I didn't feel I had anything to add to SSBF's post right before mine. I also wasn't entirely certain about the rules myself.

I didn't ask shos before because I didn't realize that the rules don't specify what happens if a majority doesn't vote to drink coffee until the game started.

SSBF seems town. I don't think scum would come out calling to start the coffee phase so early. It's unlikely to work and very likely to draw heat.

I don't like Metal Sonic's 53. He's happy with the gamestate but isn't willing to actually contribute to advancing it. Guyett is in a similar situation but isn't as explicity complacent.

Unvote. Vote: Metal Sonic.

[Thestatusquo]

You didn't feel like you had anything to add to a post that was factually incorrect? So either you're lying or you're paying no attention at all. That's good to know.

[shaddowez]

The optimum scum strategy would be to vote to get some coffee as soon as they've found a mislynch they can pursue. Scums will want to end the day with the least amount of information possible and to do this without being suspected, they will likely be calling to get coffee when they feel they could get a mislynch going. Scums are not going to expect townies to agree that their mislynch of choice is the best lynch for the day.

Even if scum were going to do this, don't you think spelling out "optimum scum strategy" is a bad idea?

P-Edit:

I'm pretty sure mine is on

Really don't like this kind of hand-wringing. Reads to me like someone looking for something to attack without actually thinking about the game on a deeper level. Figuring out what scum strategy is most likely to be and then using that to determine who is most aligned with scum strategy in the way they're playing the game is like actual mafia 101.

I also don't really like the well poisoning here. "Even if this were true." is a vague attack on the points SSBF is bringing up without actually attacking them. I'm very suspicious of people who throw aspersions on other players ideas without contributing their own or at least explaining why those ideas are not correct.

Vote: Shaddowez

"Hand-wringing"? It's not like I'm trying to decide if something should or shouldn't be said, I'm outright saying it was a bad idea.
Attack? I asked if he thought it was a bad idea (which he hasn't answered, BTW). Never said I thought he was scum based on it, or did anything that would qualify as an "attack"
Your next line about figuring out their strategy and using it is completely counter-intuitive to the argument you're making against me. I agree that understanding how scum are playing and deciding who is scum based on that makes complete sense, but somebody saying "this is how they should play" undermines that by them now not playing that way.

I never said "Even if this were true", as I never assigned factual truth to what SSB said. I said "Even if scum were to play like this", because I don't know what their plan is.
Not contributing my own ideas - well, if my post was about giving out optimal scum strategy being a bad idea, what ideas am I supposed to give? Sub-optimum scum ideas? It's certainly not going to be more strategy.

Additionally, Sonic does the exact same thing here and you don't say a word about it:

Now that your telling everyone the way to catch scum via online timings, scum will try to avoid that. Great work guys.

I asked in my Bluetooth thread, with UT,

about the whole coffee phase thingy so I'm sure he understands the Vote for Coffee thing. Not sure if I agree with SSBF's assessment of UT.

Mind explaining what Bluetooth thread with UT you're talking about? Unless we have neighbors, which I'm disinclined to believe based on the flavor of the game, the only threads I know of are the scum QT, and the pre-game thread that was open to scum only.

The optimum scum strategy would be to vote to get some coffee as soon as they've found a mislynch they can pursue. Scums will want to end the day with the least amount of information possible and to do this without being suspected, they will likely be calling to get coffee when they feel they could get a mislynch going. Scums are not going to expect townies to agree that their mislynch of choice is the best lynch for the day.

Even if scum were going to do this, don't you think spelling out "optimum scum strategy" is a bad idea?

P-Edit:

I'm pretty sure mine is on

Really don't like this kind of hand-wringing. Reads to me like someone looking for something to attack without actually thinking about the game on a deeper level. Figuring out what scum strategy is most likely to be and then using that to determine who is most aligned with scum strategy in the way they're playing the game is like actual mafia 101.

I also don't really like the well poisoning here. "Even if this were true." is a vague attack on the points SSBF is bringing up without actually attacking them. I'm very suspicious of people who throw aspersions on other players ideas without contributing their own or at least explaining why those ideas are not correct.

Vote: Shaddowez

I actually agree with Shadowwez - this would have been a more effective tool if super smash had waited until people started voting or discussing it. It's going to be entirely null now. Also, it's pretty common for games to just get mired in directionless inactivity to scum's advantage, so I don't see it as inherently scummy to try and advance the game to push through that. Seems like a silly reason to vote him considering you then bitched about people not making cases yet.

Are you guys really this dumb? In the scenario you describe the "impact" is that town forces scum to play in a way that is not optimal, even though in most cases they can't even get out of the thing that is optimal because they need to play to their win condition.

Oh yeah, we really screwed the pooch on that one. Guess we won't have scum players "want to end the day with the least amount of information possible and to do this without being suspected, they will likely be calling to get coffee when they feel they could get a mislynch going." because they know we're looking for it. Yeah. They probably won't try to go for mislynches now. How could I have been so stupid?

Furthermore, that's not why I voted him. You agree with him and I don't want to vote you. That's because I think you're stupid, not scummy. You actually articulated your position on the subject and then engaged with it, instead of being vaguely dismissive of what the person said and then being like OMG THIS IS BAD BOOGYMAN BOOGYMAN BOOGYMAN.

Metal sonic: Eff off.

You're being obnoxious and childish for no real reason. The strategy is flawed. I would be surprised if more than you and smash disagreed.

You actually articulated your position on the subject and then engaged with it, instead of being vaguely dismissive of what the person said and then being like OMG THIS IS BAD BOOGYMAN BOOGYMAN BOOGYMAN.

And you dismissed what I said by just calling us idiots.

No. I called you an idiot and then explained why you were an idiot.

Is your only defense against people that disagree with you calling them "dumb" and "idiots"? Real mature there.

[shaddowez]

Also, based on the point listed above,

VOTE: Konowa

[Untrod Tripod]

Mind explaining what Bluetooth thread with UT you're talking about? Unless we have neighbors, which I'm disinclined to believe based on the flavor of the game, the only threads I know of are the scum QT, and the pre-game thread that was open to scum only.

konowa and I are neighbors

on a related note shaddowez and konowa probably aren't scum together. so that's good to know.

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

for impersonating DGB

[Metal Sonic]

yeah lynchmepls really need to get lynched, no objection about that, post 80 was trash

[Metal Sonic]

It's been too long since I've played regularly for me to answer that question but with the caveat that like 60% of players seem like VIs to me these days.

You can actually get fucked with that elitist attitude

People act like elitism is a bad thing. I don't think being able to discern and prefer good things from bad things is a negative personality trait.

Granted, as one of the bad things, you might see it differently.

i actually agree with this post lool

[LimMePls]

yeah lynchmepls really need to get lynched, no objection about that, post 80 was trash

Explain what was "trash" about it, in detail.

No one help.