===Mini 1615: Locked in the Asylum=== GAME OVER

[LynxKuroneko]

Konowa is complete bs. I've been trying to get Konowa to talk, and they've said crap until that post up there. Do NOT let Konowa get away with that completely bull post. There's literally NO way to get you to post here through our channel, because you're going to do what you please (like you've been doing this whole time. Lurking, and suddenly showing up to hammer for gods knows why.)

And I'm playing horrendously.

Also, I claimed because its the exact same as what UT said, so no idea why I'm playing terribly by reinforcing a true claim with primarily Vanilla flavor (so there's no risk of losing a power role).

*shrug* I'm convinced there's scum on my vote count.

[MattP]

Sorry if my post came off offensively Lynx, don't take it to heart.

[LynxKuroneko]

No offense taken. I'm still new to mafia / mafiascum.net, and I see people on here have a way of doing things. I play the way I feel would work, and it just seems to create friction. At least you were mature about it and explained your words, which I appreciate. That other guy, TSQ, can eat a dick though. A syphilis-infested dick.

[MattP]

MattP (if Lynx is scum)

Explain that please.

If I had a gun, I'd put a bullet in SSBF for this post. MattP could deserve one based on Lynx flip.

Why do you need him to explain when you immediately following say the same thing?

[shos]

No offense taken. I'm still new to mafia / mafiascum.net, and I see people on here have a way of doing things. I play the way I feel would work, and it just seems to create friction. At least you were mature about it and explained your words, which I appreciate. That other guy, TSQ, can eat a dick though. A syphilis-infested dick.

While I lolled at this, keep the discussion game related and mature and NOT OFFENSIVE.

Lynch incoming.

[shos]

THIS IS AN OFFICIAL VOTECOUNT.

Evening Phase ends in:

(expired on 2014-10-10 17:28:11)

LynxKuroneko (7) - Super Smash Bros. Fan, Anatole Kuragin, Guyett, Thestatusquo, LynchMePls, Dry-fit, Konowa. - LYNCH!
Metal Sonic (1) - MattP.

Not Voting (5) - Titus, PeregrineV, shaddowez, Metal Sonic, LynxKuroneko.

"No, *YOU'RE* the crazy one, asshole!" - ..the shouting and pointing continues. In quite a short while it became obvious that, well, many fingers were pointing to the same direction. To the same..person. And it was all good and fine, you know, arguments happen, and even when they do - opinions tend to change abruptly. But this one, well, did not.
"You guys need to stop for a moment, and LISTEN TO ME." LynxKuroneko said. "I won't say that I'm not crazy, we're not the right judges for that - but I will say that I am very highly skilled. I mean come on - I can fucking show you - I changed the frequency of this thing. I did, check it out, dam---"...Lynx was cut short. Nobody was actually willing to listen; he spoke, rightfully, but when the first punch kicked in, the next ones were soon to follow...

---

A LYNCH HAS OCCURRED.

LynxKuroneko was a

TOWN

Lunatic Mastermind

.

---

And then, there was silence. The pack of lunatics looked at the bleeding body, lying there silently. "I still don't believe him" someone said, and punched one last kick through the poor man's stomach. Someone else stopped him, but the end result was there, and unchangeable. Lynx is dead, and we just lynched one of the few who could really help us.
The twelve lunatics who remain look weary again. They're tired, confused, and most of all - suspicious; suspicious of everyone around them. Each of them cuddled into his own space, and went to sleep, in the hopes of...waking up.

Night deadline is in (expired on 2014-10-12 03:58:11). Any actions should be submitted by that time. If no action is submitted by someone who can submit an action, nothing will happen.

[shos]

OK, uh, what are the chances that the site is having problems.?
I could have sworn that like 10 posts of mine were posted yesterday and it seems they didn't; these include a 'sorry, I'll start the day soon' post and a daystart post O_o....

anyway I'll rewrite it :/

[shos]

Morning.
Everyone wakes up, all dizzy from lack of sleep but--- alive. Except..one. "Hey, wake him up." - one said; with no reason to have everyone awake but one, that person goes to...well..try and wake him up. "Thestatusquo, come on, stupid, get up" he said, while patting over the lying man's shoulder. He wouldn't move, though. In a stronger pat the man moves him, and - OH MY - there's foam all over his face!
"Crap guys, I...I think he's dead" he said. The others gathered around him and watched, some shocked, some pokerfaced, but everyone with a surprised grin, this or the other. "So this is how it starts, eh?"

---

Thestatusquo was a

TOWN

Lunatic.

---

Day 2 starts now.
The three-day minimum for the morning phase will end in (expired on 2014-10-16 13:11:11)
If no lynch happens prior to that, the day will end in (expired on 2014-10-27 13:11:11)

[Guyett]

Morning

[PeregrineV]

On page 12- sorry, but just got a work assignment that I know nothing about, so now have to figure it out, then do it.

Pretty sure we had lots of time left. Anyone give me a rundown of what happened before I read it?

[LimMePls]

On page 12- sorry, but just got a work assignment that I know nothing about, so now have to figure it out, then do it.

Pretty sure we had lots of time left. Anyone give me a rundown of what happened before I read it?

You could have read it over the night. Why didn't you?

Konowa said the mod made how drinking coffee clear in the QT, so UT should have known how drinking coffee worked. So we swung him, as we should have.

MattP (if Lynx is scum)

Explain that please.

If I had a gun, I'd put a bullet in SSBF for this post. MattP could deserve one based on Lynx flip.

Why do you need him to explain when you immediately following say the same thing?

I didn't actually say the same thing. We both said that you were probably scum dependent on the flip, the difference is he said you were scum if Lynx flipped scum. Which, as you rightly pointed out, is a very stupid thing to say. There is no way in hell that scum wouldn't have bussed him into the ground there. The last thing they would have done was vote another wagon during the coffee phase.

On the other hand, distancing from an impending mislynch is exactly the sort of thing I would expect scum to do there, especially if it also allowed distancing from a buddy who may be getting lynched/vigged.

Vote: MattP

Happy with MS as well. Not so sure about SSBF now. Could just be bad town. Don't think scum-SSBF would have said that MattP was scum if Lynx flips scum.

[Anatole Kuragin]

So because Matt disagreed with the bad lynch you pushed, he's scum?

[PeregrineV]

You could have read it over the night. Why didn't you?

Live games go first, I can do the four pages today.

Konowa said the mod made how drinking coffee clear in the QT, so UT should have known how drinking coffee worked. So we swung him, as we should have.

[LimMePls]

So because Matt disagreed with the bad lynch you pushed, he's scum?

First and foremost, that was NOT a "bad" lynch. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Secondly, because Matt's vote during the coffee phase was too much "I know this is going to flip town, so let me get away from it". The fact that he had 0 chance of actually causing another wagon to form and lynch his target means he KNEW it was nothing more than for appearances. If he had a problem with the lynch, he should have pushed hard against it BEFORE we drank coffee. But he didn't, he pushed it hard. Only after we'd drank coffee and committed to the lynch did he back off and pursue MS.

Go read him in ISO. That should make what I'm saying much clearer.

Some highlights:

UT is scum by the way, so people know to lynch him eventually

The meta point was not the basis of my read, it's a side thought

you say, having filled your ISO with activity related IIoA and baseless reads

I don't know what IIoA means

My reads aren't baseless, and there's only two of them. You and MS are scum. I clearly explained my read on you, but you are allowed to ignore it because pretending to be indignant makes you feel like you look town. MS isn't allowed to agree with you.

MS is over-extending himself to the point that he's going to pull a muscle. His posts are ridiculous and over-the-top, and I don't believe his read on LMP, especially considering a lot of his points (LMP posted reads with no explanations) aren't inherently scummy and should have deserved further probing from MS if he thought they were weird instead of an immediate conclusion of a scum-read. I don't believe he's actually interested in "getting reads", and I think his aggressiveness is awkward and unbelievable, unlike TSQ's, which is why I'm not longer concerned with TSQ.

I also believe your aggressiveness is fake, but maybe you just think it makes you look town or something, which I don't believe is inherently scummy which is why I'm saying you should stop. Supposing my read on you is potentially wrong, and you have a brain, you would hopefully consider than and stop promoting anti-town discussion and tone. But hey, people can only dream

I get that that's what you're saying. I don't necessarily believe it. I believe scum fake confusion about mechanics all the time.

Also, I know you think my huge post was arrogant and obnoxious, but I made many points in it that you could respond to.

I still think UT is scum and is deliberately being offensive to promote destructive tone and discussion btw

Feel like explaining what makes my play horrendous? I've heard it several times, yet I'm just stating what I observe.

Yet several others in games I have been are just... either trolls or don't bother to put in much effort, up until their lynch.

Perhaps if I knew what was "horrendous" about my play, I could maybe stop playing like that. Maybe.

I am saying you're playing horrendously because the timing of your claim did not make sense. You should have claimed if you were in threat of lynch after the coffee phase. It looked very poorly executed, and you got beef for it. That was a very bad play, but I, in this case, believe you were acting as a new player being bullied by a player and didn't understand the issue with such an early claim. I think your posts are flaily but it's because you are overwhelmed with the level of aggression in the game and did not expect such a negative experience. I think this is EXACTLY why such a hostile game is not only unfun but also counter-productive because it stifles conversation and, separately,

fuels mislynches.

That bold is MY emphasis. He called the slot scum all day, and only after we drank coffee goes on to post in a manner that shows he all but KNOWS it's going to be a mislynch.

And, to be perfectly clear, this:

I skimmed, and I believe that Lynx is just playing horrendously. I believe his posts are "scummy" but I believe his unhappiness with the game and feeling of town being bullied is authentic. I think this is an easy lynch, and I think that MS slipped to the back burner BECAUSE he is scum, and this easy lynch drew traction with no resistance easily, all through from UT onward, because the slot is very potentially town.

I think LMP is the clearest town player in the game currently.

VOTE: MS

Was AFTER we'd drank coffee, when the chance that UT/Lynx wasn't the lynch was essentially nil.

[LimMePls]

On page 12- sorry, but just got a work assignment that I know nothing about, so now have to figure it out, then do it.

Pretty sure we had lots of time left. Anyone give me a rundown of what happened before I read it?

Also, what you missed was that we'd already drank coffee, so we DIDN'T have "plenty of time". We were in the 48 hour to lynch phase.

[PeregrineV]

I think we should take a harder line on it than that. Did allowing changing votes after "discussion" work in Politics Mafia?

It did, but sometimes the same thing happened there that happens in normal voting- one or two people putting pressure on someone for vote-changing did not make them respond nor care about the questions they were asked.

Anyways, I think the fact this is a smaller game means it won't be such an issue.

[PeregrineV]

Secondly, because Matt's vote during the coffee phase was too much "I know this is going to flip town, so let me get away from it". The fact that he had 0 chance of actually causing another wagon to form and lynch his target means he KNEW it was nothing more than for appearances. If he had a problem with the lynch, he should have pushed hard against it BEFORE we drank coffee. But he didn't, he pushed it hard. Only after we'd drank coffee and committed to the lynch did he back off and pursue MS.

The last 3 coffee votes came 304-305-306 within 30 minutes of each other, and pretty much an hour later there were four votes on him.
There wasn't any time to do anything before coffee was drunk other than what was already done.

Deciding that Lynx wasn't as scummy as UT doesn't seem like a thing scum-Matt would do no matter what Lynx might flip.

You have any other reason?

[PeregrineV]

Konowa didn't keep me company in our private thread. I truly feel alone right now.
Actually... Why did you out this thread so early, Konowa? Curious, and felt I'd ask here since

you aren't bothering to say anything over there.

L-1.

I think Lynx's lack of enthusiasm in the qt is pretty indicative of Scum to me. I think that if Town, he would actively use the QT to probe me lay out thoughts there. I was kind of stalling to see if he would make use of it.

He didn't aside two posts prodding me to post.

I'll hammer in a few if anyone else wants to get stuff in.

Konowa is complete bs.

I've been trying to get Konowa to talk, and they've said crap until that post up there.

Do NOT let Konowa get away with that completely bull post. There's literally NO way to get you to post here through our channel, because you're going to do what you please (like you've been doing this whole time. Lurking, and suddenly showing up to hammer for gods knows why.)

This whole thing bothers me. If Konowa thought UT/Lynx was scum, why was he not trying to pump him for scumteam info- get him to slip in some way? Saying that Lynx was doing nothing but "asking him to post", and calling Lynx scum for that while not posting in there on his own?...nope.

Vote: Konowa

[LimMePls]

The last 3 coffee votes came 304-305-306 within 30 minutes of each other, and pretty much an hour later there were four votes on him.
There wasn't any time to do anything before coffee was drunk other than what was already done.

Don't follow your point here. Expand please.

Deciding that Lynx wasn't as scummy as UT doesn't seem like a thing scum-Matt would do no matter what Lynx might flip.

Because?

You have any other reason?

Laid it all out in 388.

[Konowa]

So you cast aside the reasoning -why- I wasn't posting? Lynx's first post was to say hi after a recently completed game, second was him humming to Family Guy theme, third was asking why Shea tries to make himself unlikable as possible. I see no attempt to try and get me to talk. The prod dodgy (I know that's not what it is but the feel to it) feel to his posts gave me Scum waiting for me to post first so he could go from there. I wanted him to talk first and lay out his thoughts like he was doing in the game thread, the fact that he wasn't gave me Scum vibes. Like I said in the post you quoted.

[Konowa]

So because Matt disagreed with the bad lynch you pushed, he's scum?

Vote: Anatole Kuragin

[PeregrineV]

So you cast aside the reasoning -why- I wasn't posting? Lynx's first post was to say hi after a recently completed game, second was him humming to Family Guy theme, third was asking why Shea tries to make himself unlikable as possible. I see no attempt to try and get me to talk. The prod dodgy (I know that's not what it is but the feel to it) feel to his posts gave me Scum waiting for me to post first so he could go from there. I wanted him to talk first and lay out his thoughts like he was doing in the game thread, the fact that he wasn't gave me Scum vibes. Like I said in the post you quoted.

Either you thought he was town, in which case you question him or
You thought he was scum, in which case you try to get him to give his fakereads to analyze later or
You're not sure on his alignment, in which case you try to figure it out.

This would be the town thought flow. I don't get how waiting for him to spill stuff in the QT while he was getting lynched here is in any way town.

[LimMePls]

So because Matt disagreed with the bad lynch you pushed, he's scum?

Vote: Anatole Kuragin

Konowa's town.

[PeregrineV]

The last 3 coffee votes came 304-305-306 within 30 minutes of each other, and pretty much an hour later there were four votes on him.
There wasn't any time to do anything before coffee was drunk other than what was already done.

Don't follow your point here. Expand please.

Your saying Matt chance to change his mind about Lynx should have came BEFORE coffee. Coffee AND the first 4(?) votes to lynch Lynx came very quickly one right after another. Where would be the time to fight against the Lynx lynch when it was already happening?

Deciding that Lynx wasn't as scummy as UT doesn't seem like a thing scum-Matt would do no matter what Lynx might flip.

Because?

Because scum-Matt knows the Lynx mislynch is happening. Stupid to draw attention by expressing any other opinion after already have pressed the UT/Lynx=scum opinion.
If scum-Matt were bussing, final day phase and Lynx with 4 votes is stupid time to try to not-bus.
Pretty sure MattP is not stupid.

You have any other reason?

Laid it all out in 388.

Yeah, and you'd need to convince me that MattP is a bad player to think that he would pull that as scum.

[PeregrineV]

So because Matt disagreed with the bad lynch you pushed, he's scum?

Vote: Anatole Kuragin

Konowa's town.