Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

FT is likely town. For the record, does FT even play when he's not town on mafiascum? On DDO he flakes as mafia/third party pretty much every game.

Do you have a link to one of those games?

Because it sounds like a bullshit read?

Which it apparently was, if what you're saying is true.

I dislike this series of posts. Did you really think 5-Off was lying about his experience with FT? Why would he even as scum when FT is there to correct him and call him out on it.

[Cutty Shark]

I'm just wondering how you've discounted oka being just lazy town if not by poeing nashville and majiffy (and me ibguess) out of sk spot

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

I actually like that series of posts now more than I did when I made them.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm just wondering how you've discounted oka being just lazy town if not by poeing nashville and majiffy (and me ibguess) out of sk spot

-b

Csareo just screamed third party to me. I'm pretty sure I posted as much many times. There's no town or mafia motivation for leaking the role flavors or trying to GOTCHA me on my flavor.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I still stand by my thinking but things have happened that probably make this discussion better for another day. Also this happened forever ago and I don't see any other things about you.

Also fonz if you think my arguments are shit you can just tell me why instead of just blowing me off. Calling someone a village idiot = usually to claim whether or not they're town or scum, not just as a side statement. And scum have done this to me before so excuse me.

5-off seems to have had not a lot of time for mafia too I guess? Please look at my questions to you when you get back. I haven't forgotten you.

My feelings after reading the thread is that the last few pages haven't made me like ak and csareo. Ak I have been perusing their iso and I haven't seen anywhere that they're actively pushing to find someone's alignment or directing their efforts anywhere else. Their vote is parked on baboon and the conviction that he finds about a few meta reads and one post is totally wrong to me. Ak do you have any other scum reads? And how do you feel about fonz's latest posts?

vote: Anatole kuragin

My prob with Csareo is that I am pretty sure they're not new to mafia.. if they were I could excuse this behavior. Csareo, if you thought that you could determine the power roles from the flavor, then why were you trying to force a mass flavor claim and out them too?
From an outguessing the mod point of view, I'm having trouble placing where this info would be useful. I can tell you whichever game you played that the entire game could be solved by a flavor game was a poor decision on the mod's part.

~M is for Mala

OH I THOUGHT SO. Hi mala :3
As far as I can remember, this is far away from your scum meta, so my feelings about you earlier are gone. But I wanna see your full reads post.

@ bork, f-16: as promised:

Spoiler:

So what do you guys think of EspressoJet saying "Good luck finding blue team"? Why do you think he picked blue team instead of red?

This post reads as a bit scummy to me. I didn't put any thought into which color I wrote, and it didn't even occur to me that it would matter. This feels like a stretch to out me as a Mafia, but at the same time distance yourself from the accusation by hiding it behind an open minded question.

FoS

Kept vote on himself while throwing an fos on someone else.

So far:

* Boon - town
* Molla - null (Due to a previous game, need to be more wary of my reads on him)
* Nespresso - null leaning town
* Mr Ree - null leaning mafia
* Rubicon - null leaning mafia
* Bert - nothing
* Honeybee - nothing
* ZZZXXXSSSDWECSSADFQWEASDF - nothing

All based off the pushing and prodding. They're pretty loose but hopefully this will generate some discussion.

UNVOTE:

I'd be quite happy to move out of RVS given what I've seen.

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Mr Ree - post 39 appears like you're attempting to downplay a possible slip (I'd say almost protectively, but others also did the same so I am happy to say it isn't based on others responses), almost like you're setting a precedent for what should or shouldn't be read as a slip. Why?

Further to this, you seem very interested in the self vote of Nespressojet in 44 - this is curious to me. RVS is, or should be, fairly random. Why does the self vote grab your attention?

Rubi - in 28 you pick up on an assumed 'tell', but then get quite defensive of that in 51. Your focus then seems to shift almost seamlessly to Molla in 60 and 64 - why the rapid shift? Why not place more pressure on George Clooney (Nespresso)? I might be over reading here, but both your posts appear to be throwing mud, without actually pressuring them. Generating dirt on players that can be used later is... interesting.

Threw out a bunch of scum reads but just unvoted his rvs vote.

And thesp is null to me until he answers about his scum reads.

Sorry, I missed your question. Is this what you're referring to?

Thesp, I really don't care for town reads, is jake your only scum read?

I'm really not keen on Flames682. If he was still around, at this moment he'd be my scond choice for a lynch. (When he's around, we'll find out exactly where he ranks. At this point he needs to be replaced.) I think the play of BoroPhil and Boonskiies is terrible as well. While I can't imagine that all four of our lurkers/flakers (some of who are actively lurking) are scum, I definitely imagine they didn't want to get caught up in the me/Jake from State Farm tussle, and the poor play of the town lurkers/flakers has likely enabled scum lurking/flaking. I don't see scum playing like BoroPhil is playing, but to a greater extent I don't see

town

playing like BoroPhil has. (Same with Boonskiies, to a lesser extent.)

I like the pressure on BoroPhil. If there's no change in his behavior, I will gladly move my vote there to secure a lynch as needed.

I actually like the last several posts from Jake from State Farm.

Kept his vote on jake even after admitting that Jake was probably not scum.

I really don't understand this argument here. Whether or not RQS is a viable option for starting a game really has nothing to do with anyone's alignment. Neither is refusing to answer the questions (which is more like a tell of personality). Either way, arguing about RQS has been extremely unhelpful to anyone.

All the lying accusations feel really weak.. People forget, people don't read, it's natural. Lying to me is only scummy when it comes to interpreting reads or PR information of the current game.

And just so you know, I don't like meta arguments. Maybe you all feel differently, and that's fine. If you want to convince me of anything, try a different way.

That's all I'm going to say on theses subjects. Anyways..

I'm not really being hesistant, I'm just suffering from typical D1 apathy.

Can someone start a fight with someone?

Basically the first page was full of a whole series of rubbish reasoning. Also fluff. Lots of fluff. Scum love fluff.

Cheery is worrying me as he has voted for me. This could be simple paranoia.

First off, Borophil, you realize that the first page was RVS, right? If you really thought "rubbish reasoning and fluff" was scummy, why not just vote someone and make some progress.

Why did you ignore Cheery dog's question? You need to explain what that last comment meant. Also why are you voting jake? Because they want to be IC?

I am quite confused by this conversation and don't know what to say about it. Therefore,
I am going to just leave my vote where it is for now and may end up changing it.

If you don't understand what they're talking about, you didn't understand the case in the first place, and were just bandwagoning.
VOTE: TheGottemer
TheGottemer, Can you tell us your thinking about the game at the moment?

Jake, do you still believe is TheGottemer is scummy? I think you changed your mind.. so I want to know why.

Thesp, can you give us your current reads at the moment? If you have made reads on anyone else, I must have missed it.

Boonskies, what makes ashura voting you scummier than joining any other wagon? I mean there was plenty of other wagons to join at that time.

(me) Switched my vote to someone else even though I spend more of my time pressuring boro.
=17285&user_select[]=0&user_select[]=0&user_sort=Go]enomit iso
Enomis literally never pressures the person he's voting (or in this case bussing) and spends all of his efforts at the shiny hydra.
=19101#p4984698]Mala iso
Mala also ignores her vote target in order to pressure other players like jmo, leaving me to push the lynch instead (damn u mala ).

Anyways you get the point but the relation of your vote and your reads are very important. Townies move their vote naturally with their suspicions, but with scum you are at least somewhat aware or thinking about how your vote looks. And it's not a strategy per se, but instead just a mistake because scum don't know where's a safe place to keep their vote.

I seem to be having trouble accessing this site from my computer, is anyone else having problems?

Actually this point against AK being group-scum. It also points against Csareo being group scum becuase Honeybee seems to be trying to set him up for a mislynch there. Admittedly less for AK.

[Cutty Shark]

I'm just wondering how you've discounted oka being just lazy town if not by poeing nashville and majiffy (and me ibguess) out of sk spot

-b

Csareo just screamed third party to me. I'm pretty sure I posted as much many times. There's no town or mafia motivation for leaking the role flavors or trying to GOTCHA me on my flavor.

There's third party motivation for it?

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm just wondering how you've discounted oka being just lazy town if not by poeing nashville and majiffy (and me ibguess) out of sk spot

-b

Csareo just screamed third party to me. I'm pretty sure I posted as much many times. There's no town or mafia motivation for leaking the role flavors or trying to GOTCHA me on my flavor.

There's third party motivation for it?

-b

More than the other two options

[Cutty Shark]

How (the alternative being he was just being a dipshit)?

-b

[Cutty Shark]

There's no town or mafia motivation for leaking the role flavors or trying to GOTCHA me on my flavor.

You don't see the town motivation in someone who's broken games with flavor before to try to break a game with flavor?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

There's no town or mafia motivation for leaking the role flavors or trying to GOTCHA me on my flavor.

You don't see the town motivation in someone who's broken games with flavor before to try to break a game with flavor?

This is actually a good point. This was the primary reason I was doubting my concerns about Oka and makes me lean town more than SK or mafia.

Add on the fact that Honeybee was trying to set him up, I'm convinced he's not group scum.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I think if Csareo was town he would have done it a little more deliberately, but yeah I guess he could have just been a dipshit.

[Cutty Shark]

I don't see the evidence for an Oka lynch. Titus tried to make a case on Csareo and failed miserably - there's not much there besides his actions regarding our flavor claims and that is all null - town because there is no scum motivation at all for it unless...

Oka is third party killer and gave out those flavors hoping mafia would kill PRs?

Like here was your stance yesterday. You were spitballing it but you weren't locked into it like you are now.

What changed? I'd understand if you PoEd all the other alive people out of the SK list, but you clearly haven't done that, you're trying to make a case based on only the merits of Csareo's play yesterday, but you could've done that anytime - nothing about that slot has changed. But your position on it did. Why?

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

Because it wasn't 100% obvious that there was a SK at the time

[Anatole Kuragin]

I even said at the bottom of that post what the third party benefit would be

[Cutty Shark]

...says the person with the 'vig' ability that he hasn't used yet. It makes sense for anyone else in the game to have thought that besides you.

-b

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

The thing that bugs me now Anatole is that you are only hunting for the serial killer. It is easier to hunt for the groupscum but you are not doing it, why?

[Cutty Shark]

Oka is third party killer and gave out those flavors hoping mafia would kill PRs?

This actually isn't a terrible point

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

...says the person with the 'vig' ability that he hasn't used yet. It makes sense for anyone else in the game to have thought that besides you.

-b

who *couldn't* use it

[Anatole Kuragin]

Oka is third party killer and gave out those flavors hoping mafia would kill PRs?

This actually isn't a terrible point

-b

it's curious they haven't killed the action star or magician though - two of the most powerful beings imaginable

[Cutty Shark]

who *couldn't* use it

I'm aware. But you were willing to believe there was a second vig?

-b

[Cutty Shark]

I mean, there were two kills, you didn't make either, and you thought Oka was something that wasn't town, and you were lukewarm about the slot all the same.

I'm just really trying to figure out what has really changed in the gamestate for you since D2 that your position on the slot is so different

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

I honestly thought you were a vig after day 1

[Anatole Kuragin]

Cutty, did you vig FT?

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, does that mean "I'm sitting here and not chancing my mind" or "I'm sitting here possibly reconsidering"?

I haven't decided.

[fferyllt]

I am toying with the idea of no lynch today. We are in the +SK equivalent of MYLO:

worst case scenario tomorrow would be 3v1v1 where we are essentially in the same situation as today (ML can lose the game but a correct lynch cannot lose it). Best case scenario is considerably better for a number of reasons.

Also it gives Nashville or whomever the camera ends up with an extra shot with it.

Thoughts?

-b

I dunno. I think the night kill(s) won't be a surprise.