FitzOtter I (Game Over)

[droog]

I agree
Insomuch as I've already claimed and have no power over lthers

[T-Bone]

That assumes 3 scum, sounds about right, agreed.

[T-Bone]

Eh, 2-11 is also considered balanced no?

[Hostile Intent]

UNVOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Hostile Intent]

I'd rather not risk it.

[zoraster]

BooKitty replaces ABR

[Bookitty]

Hello. I'm about half done reading, maybe a quarter of the way to comprehending this game. I'll be happy to answer any questions and to give preliminary reads when I get home in a couple of hours.

[Bookitty]

My initial reads have both farside (now droog) and T-bone as scum, with the latter more clear to me at this point.

I'm not done reading the whole game, and I'm not putting down a vote until 1) I finish reading the game and I get some sort of handle on it and 2) I hear from these two suspects or at least give them a chance to respond, since I think we may be at MYLO.

This is also my very first bastard game that I recall, so if I'm missing something important after I've read the entirety of the game, please point it out. I'm just treating it as a regular game for now.

Questions, comments, mild personal abuse welcome.

[Hostile Intent]

What's a summary of your role and who has your slot used it on each night?
What do you think of your predecessor's play?

[droog]

My initial reads have both farside (now droog) and T-bone as scum, with the latter more clear to me at this point.

I'm not done reading the whole game, and I'm not putting down a vote until 1) I finish reading the game and I get some sort of handle on it and 2) I hear from these two suspects or at least give them a chance to respond, since I think we may be at MYLO.

This is also my very first bastard game that I recall, so if I'm missing something important after I've read the entirety of the game, please point it out. I'm just treating it as a regular game for now.

Questions, comments, mild personal abuse welcome.

Is that because if my perfoance or far sides

[droog]

I can't shake the growing feeling that it's hostile intent.

[Bookitty]

Paraphrasing my role PM, I am required to choose a player each night to target. If that player is nightkilled or killed some other way that night or is lynched or killed the next day, I die instead. As I read the role, the player targeted doesn't die.

ABR targeted T-bone the first night. The next two nights were randomly picked and were Untrod Tripod (Night 2) and... I'm not sure it's to town's benefit to say who was targeted last night, because it would essentially be a free lynch for scum if that player is scum. I'm still trying to work this out. If a significant percentage of players think I should say who was randomly chosen as the target last night, I will. My logic circuits are broken right now because I'm tired, though.

I think ABR was bored. I don't see why he wouldn't have chosen targets for himself if he was at all interested. I guess that's why he replaced out. During the early part I read, he seemed pretty much as I've seen him play previously.

EBWOP: My scumreads are based on early play; I don't think you (droog) have replaced in yet in the part I have read. So it would be farside's. I have very old meta on her, but I'm not depending on that.

[Bookitty]

I will have more complete reads tomorrow sometime (when I'm more awake and have finished reading the game).

One thing I want to point out, though, is that t-bone seemed really aggressive in pushing lynches and in pursuing his suspicions. If he's town, I would expect him to be dead already. That's not proof, but it's part of my thought process from earlier today.

[Bookitty]

Okay, some things I think I know:

Juls was telling the truth about her power, and she was town. She loverized Hostile Intent and Farside, now Droog. If one dies, the other dies. Yet both escaped the nightkill. Thus we can say that one of {Hostile Intent, Droog} is scum to some degree of certainty.

Aegor swapped powers/roles with Marky Mark, who was vanilla townie and MVP confirmed on death. According to Aegor, if Marky Mark had been scum, Aegor would have died. I think I believe this claim because:

1. Aegor wouldn't have lied as town about his wincon and his role
2. Marky Mark died as vanilla town and MVP.

So Aegor is conftown to me at this point.

If I had to call out the scumteam in its entirety (assuming there are three, which I would guess given all the town-sided power) I would call out droog, T-bone and Untrod Tripod. I'm more sure about the first two. I don't have a handle on AurorusVox yet.

I think Erotic Tales of Kuribo is town, mainly because of his reaction to DGB saying she sent him a friend request.

So, here's my reads:

Townish:
Aegor
Erotic Tales of Kuribo

Not sure:
Hostile Intent
AurorusVox

Scum:
Untrod Tripod
T-bone
Droog

I find this game a little difficult to understand; the Juls-Farside argument (Juls town) and the DGB-Farside argument (DGB town, but lying about her role) were really hard to navigate. I will have to do a reread, but since the weekend is coming up, that shouldn't be an issue.

[droog]

Okay, some things I think I know:

Juls was telling the truth about her power, and she was town. She loverized Hostile Intent and Farside, now Droog. If one dies, the other dies. Yet both escaped the nightkill. Thus we can say that one of {Hostile Intent, Droog} is scum to some degree of certainty.

Aegor swapped powers/roles with Marky Mark, who was vanilla townie and MVP confirmed on death. According to Aegor, if Marky Mark had been scum, Aegor would have died. I think I believe this claim because:

1. Aegor wouldn't have lied as town about his wincon and his role
2. Marky Mark died as vanilla town and MVP.

So Aegor is conftown to me at this point.

If I had to call out the scumteam in its entirety (assuming there are three, which I would guess given all the town-sided power) I would call out droog, T-bone and Untrod Tripod. I'm more sure about the first two. I don't have a handle on AurorusVox yet.

I think Erotic Tales of Kuribo is town, mainly because of his reaction to DGB saying she sent him a friend request.

So, here's my reads:

Townish:
Aegor
Erotic Tales of Kuribo

Not sure:
Hostile Intent
AurorusVox

Scum:
Untrod Tripod
T-bone
Droog

I find this game a little difficult to understand; the Juls-Farside argument (Juls town) and the DGB-Farside argument (DGB town, but lying about her role) were really hard to navigate. I will have to do a reread, but since the weekend is coming up, that shouldn't be an issue.

I forgot the Cupid thing
Definitely thinking scum HI now
Will look through later

[Bookitty]

@Aegor

: What are your current reads on Hostile Intent and Droog (formerly Farside)? Can you give me some insight on how those reads have evolved over time, please?

[Aegor]

Why, do you want to be accused of whiteknighting? At the very least Marky's flip confirms your role (though not necessarily your alignment). I'm on the fence about Aegor's power. MVP seems like a detrimental win condition, so I could see scum handing it out. Didn't another player mention getting his win condition changed? That was HI right? I have this crazy conspiracy where Aegor-scum can change the town's win condition to making winning for them harder.

That would be an awesome scum power, but the MVP condition sucked, which is why I wanted topass it to someone else or sacrifice myself by attempting to change it with scum.

@Aegor

: What are your current reads on Hostile Intent and Droog (formerly Farside)? Can you give me some insight on how those reads have evolved over time, please?

My problem with reading farside is that I often find what she posts incomprehensible because there are tons of typos (phoneposting, I know) and a train of reasoning that I cannot follow. Furthermore, regardless of alignment, she posts vehement and tunneling cases against other players. She is suspicious right now simply because of PoE and lack of overtly townie things, but I really cannot read her.

I need to ISO HI to see whether I think he is just sitting back.

[Bookitty]

Okay, as I read the game (and correct me if you think I'm wrong, please please please):

Ika was lynched for very poor play, more or less. As a town power role in a bastard game no less, he showed really poor judgment imo by refusing to claim and then self-voting. At the least, a claim would have forced the nightkill by the scum rather than giving them a free lynch on town. He even self-voted. Bad bad bad.

No night kill on Night One. I don't see anything in my role that suggests my slot is responsible for that. I speculate that there's another protective role out there. If there is, please do not claim.

What's with the self-votes in this game?

Lynch count for DGB's lynch:

Aegor ( 4 ) AurorusVox

KonowaTOWN

Albert B. Rampage

Marky MarkTOWN

(L - 3 )
DrippingGoofball ( 7 )

JulsTOWN

Hostile Intent farside22

DrippingGoofballTOWN

T-Bone Untrod Tripod

AegorTOWN

(L - 0 )

Using DGB's theory of scum distribution, we can say there is probably one scum on Aegor's wagon (AurorusVox) and two of (Hostile Intent, farside22Droog, T-bone, Untrod Tripod). This is NOT always accurate, but it's evidence I'm taking into consideration.

Juls is lynched essentially for her role and for being pissed off at everyone. Droog isn't voting. Other wagons look like this:

Albert B. Rampage ( 1 ) T-Bone (L - 5 )
droog ( 2 ) Albert B. Rampage

AegorTOWN

(L - 4 )
Juls ( 6 ) Untrod Tripod kuribo Hostile Intent AurorusVox

Marky MarkTOWN

JulsTOWN

(L – 0)

Scum distribution theory says there'll be an outlier on this. I'm in an advantageous position here, because I know I'm town. So I can say if there's an outlier, it's T-bone or droog. We have two other scum in (Untrod Tripod, kuribo, Hostile Intent, AurorusVox).

This depends on there being three scum in this game. That's not certain, but it's the safest way to analyze, because if there are only two we could afford a mislynch today.

I'm probably going to vote AurorusVox when I vote. I do want to know if people want me to claim last night's randomized target before we get to voting.

Also, if you want an explanation of why Aegor is confirmed town, I'm happy to oblige.

[Hostile Intent]

There's zero doubt that Aegor is town.

I think maybe letting the lovers live was to set up wifom mislynches but that's just a guess at this point.

[Bookitty]

So I can say if there's an outlier, it's T-bone or droog. We have two other scum in (Untrod Tripod, kuribo, Hostile Intent, AurorusVox).

Um, this isn't right, sorry. The outliers could be both T-bone and droog, in which case there would only be one scum in the four I listed later.

I realized it on a reread.

[Bookitty]

I think maybe letting the lovers live was to set up wifom mislynches but that's just a guess at this point.

I don't think this because 1) Farside is scrambling a lot in this game, something I associate with her scum game in the past and 2) If I were scum and I had a chance at a two-fer for a town nightkill, there's no way I'd let that pass me by.

I'm thinking AurorusVox and droog for scum.

[Hostile Intent]

Ah and if three scum, the game would be over now.

Alright, I can get behind that.

[AurorusVox]

So I've stewed it over a little since my last post and this is where I'm at.

Aegor - had suspicions on this role earlier in the game. Proven her role, question is whether it's a scum role. Use of it to make someone confirmed town makes this less likely, though MM was widely considered town anyway IIRC, and Aegor did not use it to "find scum" like she said she would.

Albert B. Rampage - Replacee has made big posts. I haven't read them in any great detail. ABR's failure to protect Marky Mark does not sit well with me.

droog - farside and her replace out made this slot very likely town.

Erotic Tales of kuribo - one of my meh players. On the one hand, I'd kinda expect kuribo to be more active in abusing players to find scum, OTOH everyone in this game appears to lack the energy to play actively here.

Hostile Intent - HI seemed town earlier. I find it hard to see scum NOT taking advantage of the double kill if both HI and droog are town though. There is the WIFOM argument of course, but...an extra free kill? Seems silly not to take it.

T-Bone - probableTown based on PoE: all of [ABR, Hostile Intent, kuribo] are likelier scum and Aegor is probably someone I'd consider deeper at before T-Bone.

Untrod Tripod - gutTown feel on UT (stronger than the read on T-Bone but weaker than the one on droog). I think it had something to do with the Thomas Hardy.

(likeliest scum)

HI*
ABR
Kuribo
Aegor
TBone
UT
Droog*

(likeliest town)

*obviously my read of these two slots are related*
*it would be hilarious if both of them were scum*
*juls would be pissed*

[Bookitty]

Okay, let me spell this out for you very clearly, AurorusVox, in an effort to demonstrate that even if you are scum, you still need to read the game.

Aegor swapped powers with Marky Mark, which MM confirmed in thread. Marky Mark then flipped town MVP and was the target of the nightkill, confirming his towniness indisputably.

If Aegor had been scum and swapped wincons with MM, then MM would not have been the target of the nightkill, because he would have been scum. This is true regardless of whether Aegor has a Weak modifier or not.

If, on the other hand, MM had been scum and swapped powers with Aegor, then as soon as MM became town, he would have said, hey, guise, I'm town now and Aegor is scum. Also, this CAN'T have happened even in a bastard game because, hey, scum that becomes town will tell you who the other scums are. Therefore Aegor is telling the truth about the Weak modifier too, for balance reasons that ought to be very obvious even to you.

Your sudden interest in providing content is noted.

Aurorus Vox is scum. Counterarguments and defenses are welcomed, but I'm fairly certain this is where my vote will land.

[AurorusVox]

I understand what happened you condescending arsehole. But why are you assuming that Aegor is telling the truth about having swapped roles and ignoring the possibility that he just GAVE that WinCon to MM? If Aegor were scum he would not have to tell the truth about his role, now, would he? If anyone is not reading it is you, since this is something that I myself stated earlier in the thread.

Also on the point of reading, I said earlier in the week that I would look into the players in more detail, and since it's the weekend, have gained the time to do so. So take your patronising tone and go fuck yourself.