[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[BBmolla]

I think it might be more interesting to let scum choose whose gun self shoots after the first day, and to let the first person who dies decide which of the mafia's guns works or fails.

To implement this, let scum choose whose guns self shoot pregame and prevent scum from shooting until the first townie is dead.

Will make it less about luck.

[GreyICE]

All right.
So it should be balanced by a player size.
Thanks for the comments!

Balanced but poorly designed.

The optimal move for town is never to shoot, meaning that you have a game where the theme (everyone is a vig) is directly counter to the mechanics (town is punished for vigs actually shooting)

[phokdapolees]

best setup ever

1 Vanilla Townie

1 Jester

1 Lyncher

Lyncher's target is randomized
No self voting

[Not_Mafia]

How does the VT win?

[Bicephalous Bob]

by replacing out

[wgeurts]

By killing the scum obviously.

[wgeurts]

Ow wait, that would only work if the town was always lynchee and lyncher always scum.

[wgeurts]

Anyone able to think of balance issues for this setup:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Revolution

[BBmolla]

It's not mafia

[wgeurts]

It is, it wouldn't pass MS Normalcy however it can be seen as a 1:1:1:10 mafia game with 4 factions.

[wgeurts]

Technically if you say there can't be 4 factions then you can't have say Mafia + Werewolves + SK + Town which is possible. You could compare this setup to that.

[quadz08]

It's not mafia because there's no informed minority.

[wgeurts]

It's not mafia because there's no informed minority.

Ah, I see.

[BBmolla]

A mafia game is where you have a informed minority vs. an uninformed majority and find scum based off of connections.

Keyword, connections. There is no one to connect a one man scum team to. Thus no connections and not mafia.

If it means anything, We Need A Fifth isn't mafia either due to no majority/minority.


If you made them all one scumteam each with an individual kill, then it might be interesting to balance. If we go that route I'll give it a thought.

P-edit: or what quadz said.

[wgeurts]

Then this possibly?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Anarchy
3:1:12

Also I like the idea of having a no faction kill scum team with those three roles, balance ideas for that?

[BBmolla]

I imagine the Anarchist would barely ever win, it's so balanced against him. He's basically a shittier serial killer. If you're gonna delay his bombs two days, give him two bombs per night or something.

I'll try to do some numbers to figure out theoretical crap.

It's probably fine? Just really swingy cause of all the facotrs.

I think a setup made around a bomb planting mafia faction vs. town bomb defusers + other stuff would be interesting.

[BBmolla]

Btw, Anarchist + Bombs + Bomb-Defuser = Poisoner + Poison + Poison Doctor at mafiascum

And for Arsonist I tend to see players getting "doused" instead of fused.

Not that big of a deal, but just wanted to tell you in case you didn't know.

[BBmolla]

Parallel Poison

9 Players

2 Mafia Goons

1 Town Poison Doctor
1 Town Backup Poison Doctor
5 Vanilla Townies

• Mafia do not have factional nightkill, instead a two target factional poison which causes both players to die the next night.
  
• Mafia may no poison, or choose to only poison one.
  
• The Poison Doctor can remove Poison on the night the player is poisoned AND the night where the player would die.
  
• Players are informed they are poisoned.

Unsure on balance of this I'd have to think more.

May be more interesting to give town instead an "Antidote" vote, where in addition to the lynch, they vote to give a player an antidote.

[LlamaFluff]

So I have a setup that I want it refined.

Russian Roulette

- 5 Town 1-shot Day Vigilante
- 2 Town 1-shot Self Day Vigilante

- 1 Mafia 1-shot Day Vigilante
- 1 Mafia 1-shot Self Day Vigilante

* Self Dayvigs will not know that they are self dayvigs.
* Mafia will know if they're self or not.
* Nightless

What I want to know the most is if this setup can be broken in any way.
And then balance, etc if possible. Probably too swingy to be called balanced but meh
(And before you guys go "lol how do scum win this", both times I ran this in this site were both scum win, with one of them being marathon with 6v1 variant)

The one I modded in micro not-so-long-time-ago mafias didn't know if they were self dayvigs or not.

Comments of everyone else aside, this does bring up a possibility for an interesting game. Something like:

7:2 vanilla setup. If town is lynched day continues. If scum is lynch it goes to night.

[FakeGod]

2v7 nightless vengeful scum isn't new

[wgeurts]

Remove the informing of being poisoned and I think that would be better, scum would otherwise have to always counter claim. For an interesting 13 player variant you could have 2 poison doctors and a tracker with of cause an extra goon.

[wgeurts]

Anarchy

16 player

Mafia Vigilante
Mafia Arsonist
Mafia Poisoner

Bulletproof Doctor
Poisonproof Poison-Doctor
Fireproof Fire Fighter
Tracker
Fruit Vendor
8 VT's

• Doctor only stops vigilante kills.
  
• Poison-Doctor and fire fighter can also stop the kill on the night of the death.
  
• Poison kills the night after it is given.
  
• Arsonist can set alight all players as many time per game as he wants but can't douse on the same night.
  
• Players aren't informed that they are doused/poisoned.
  
• Mafia have no faction kill.

Debating wether to make the immunities x-shot.

[BBmolla]

Remove the informing of being poisoned and I think that would be better, scum would otherwise have to always counter claim. For an interesting 13 player variant you could have 2 poison doctors and a tracker with of cause an extra goon.

Well, no, cause it could be two townies poisoned, it could be a townie poisoned and a mafia fake claiming poisoned, and if they wanted to go really ballsy the mafia could poison themselves and do a crazy gambit.

It basically becomes "Which of the two poisoned do we want to save?"

Which is why it should probably be an antidote vote instead of a poison doctor.

[wgeurts]

Remove the informing of being poisoned and I think that would be better, scum would otherwise have to always counter claim. For an interesting 13 player variant you could have 2 poison doctors and a tracker with of cause an extra goon.

Well, no, cause it could be two townies poisoned, it could be a townie poisoned and a mafia fake claiming poisoned, and if they wanted to go really ballsy the mafia could poison themselves and do a crazy gambit.

It basically becomes "Which of the two poisoned do we want to save?"

Which is why it should probably be an antidote vote instead of a poison doctor.

So basically you could call this setup WIFOM Pro

[BBmolla]

Remove the informing of being poisoned and I think that would be better, scum would otherwise have to always counter claim. For an interesting 13 player variant you could have 2 poison doctors and a tracker with of cause an extra goon.

Well, no, cause it could be two townies poisoned, it could be a townie poisoned and a mafia fake claiming poisoned, and if they wanted to go really ballsy the mafia could poison themselves and do a crazy gambit.

It basically becomes "Which of the two poisoned do we want to save?"

Which is why it should probably be an antidote vote instead of a poison doctor.

So basically you could call this setup WIFOM Pro

Yeah lol