League of Legends (Old)

[Voidedmafia]

Hey, if I planned on using Diana in the top lane (or mid lane, but I don't think she fits there anymore; correct me if I'm wrong), what tips do you have (masteries, runes, item builds, suggested skill path, match-ups, etc.)?

(well, it's not so much "might plan on" as "will buy as soon as I can get the IP for her", but yknow)

Also, while I'm on the topic of top lane, are any of Triforce, Iceborn, Bork, Hydraa, Randuins, Warmog's, Black Cleaver, IE, LW, PD, and Bloodthirster good items on Fiora? (I'm excluding GA because I think that's kind of an obvious buy, and I kinda think Banshee's falls under the same thing) She may not be pro-tier but I do like the champion and would like to keep her in my pool.

[dramonic]

i think BC LW Hydra are all pretty good

[Saki]

Also, while I'm on the topic of top lane, are any of Triforce, Iceborn, Bork, Hydraa, Randuins, Warmog's, Black Cleaver, IE, LW, PD, and Bloodthirster good items on Fiora? (I'm excluding GA because I think that's kind of an obvious buy, and I kinda think Banshee's falls under the same thing) She may not be pro-tier but I do like the champion and would like to keep her in my pool.

Randuins is horrible
Triforce is horrible
Warmogs is horrible
Black Cleaver is horrible
PD is horrible
BT is horrible

Ionians/Youmuus/Hydra/LW/IE/ GA or SotO or Statikk or BotRK

[FakeGod]

I only play fiora as a jungle pocket pick lol

[FakeGod]

fiora top gets utterly destroyed by many many things in my experience

[Saki]

Hey, if I planned on using Diana in the top lane (or mid lane, but I don't think she fits there anymore; correct me if I'm wrong), what tips do you have (masteries, runes, item builds, suggested skill path, match-ups, etc.)?

W>Q>E>W>Q>R 1-6
R>Q>W>E

Push super super hard with W+passive and sometimes Q
try to trade hits only when you have w+passive up

Diana build is very situational
you can either build bursty (DFG/Rabadons/Lich Bane/Void Staff)
or with a bit of sustained DPS with passive (Nashors / Lich Bane)
or w.e the fuck you want, really
I've built liandries>rylais>randuins and won

burst combo is QRR
you can do two hits on minions to charge passive then QR auto to harass/engage a la jax
your sustained DPS is actually somewhat high so don't let stuff like renekton get away with just EQWE, follow the shit and auto him and prolong the trade

[Saki]

fiora top gets utterly destroyed by many many things in my experience

idk man
taking Q level 1 guarantees you fb against many many things

[Voidedmafia]

Randuins is horrible
Triforce is horrible
Warmogs is horrible
Black Cleaver is horrible
PD is horrible
BT is horrible

why are these horrible, out of curiosity? (also, I feel like I should know, but what's SotO? Sword of the Occult?)

fiora top gets utterly destroyed by many many things in my experience

idk man
taking Q level 1 guarantees you fb against many many things

Should Fiora always level her Q lvl 1 unless you're doing an invade (at which point I think her E would be better?)?

[FakeGod]

fiora top gets utterly destroyed by many many things in my experience

idk man
taking Q level 1 guarantees you fb against many many things

can you do it vs malphite?

[FakeGod]

my malphite is complete and utter shit and I have not met a fiora player who could beat me top lane

fiora also loses to jax, which is very troubling

[Voidedmafia]

Shouldn't you be able to do a quick Q in and out with auto(s) and knock the shield down (or quick E-W-Q in-autos-Q out post-3)

I'm not surprised she loses to Jax, though. He's far more maneuverable than she is.

[Saki]

Should Fiora always level her Q lvl 1 unless you're doing an invade (at which point I think her E would be better?)?

Always Q level 1 unless you're against a Gangplank in which case you get W
For invades you want the double gap closer in Q more than the higher AS E will get you

skill order is R>Q>E>W btw

why are these horrible, out of curiosity? (also, I feel like I should know, but what's SotO? Sword of the Occult?)

SotO = occult
Get it if you feel like you can murder your lane opponent AND their jungler when he comes to gank

Randuins/Warmogs shouldn't ever be bought over GA/Banshees or even Scimitar/Maw b/c you're only ever going to get 1 defensive item and GA/Banshees/Scimtar/Maw have a bigger impact than a standalone Randuins/Warmogs

Triforce/Iceborn gauntlet gives you MS on autoattacks/unit kills and the sheen passive but it's not the kind of damage fiora wants
When you do E>Q>(AA)>Q>(AA)>Ult you're getting 2-3 sheen actives max which isn't worth the 50 AD loss vs IE
Triforce and IE cost about the same but Triforce is 30AD and IE is 80AD and since Fiora scales so hard off AD, Triforce is lackluster

PD -> as Fiora your hydra-Q-Q-R is basically guaranteed damage given that you know how to point and click
your abilities are your primary source of damage
NOT your autoattacks
Fiora is more of an assassin
She's closer to Zed than Yi

The E boost to AA speed does help out your AA damage but Fiora isn't Master Yi
Yi can flip out and do crazy shit and burst down things with 1100+ damage crits
it takes a while for him to ramp up like that, though
Fiora, like Zed, builds AD damage and uses crazy scaling on abilities to nuke people midgame

Youmuus or Black Cleaver tbh is personal preference
50AD + HP + Passive on Black Cleaver isn't bad, but I think that the brut>BC 1663 gold jump is just too much
Good upgrade lategame if you're absolutely stomping teamfights but otherwise you could invest that 1663 gold in many other places early game
Youmuus can come into effect really early in the game which really helps you get those kills

[Saki]

my malphite is complete and utter shit and I have not met a fiora player who could beat me top lane

fiora also loses to jax, which is very troubling

Shouldn't you be able to do a quick Q in and out with auto(s) and knock the shield down (or quick E-W-Q in-autos-Q out post-3)

I'm not surprised she loses to Jax, though. He's far more maneuverable than she is.

tbh the only real thing about playing Fiora is learning NOT TO TAKE FREE HARASS

Don't let Jax WQ-Auto you then run away without hitting him back and using Riposte to mitigate some of that damage, care for the E though
If he comes in with E WQ-AA E then he's fucking dead

As Malphite tries to Q you to oblivion be Q-ing him back
Don't get hit by his E while you're farming
If Malphite Qs you till he's oom just kill him or force his flash 'cause he can't do shit with 0 mana and he runs out of mana faster than you do

[Saki]

fiora top gets utterly destroyed by many many things in my experience

idk man
taking Q level 1 guarantees you fb against many many things

can you do it vs malphite?

prob not

[Saki]

oh yeah and regarding Diana
NEVER EVER GET MANA ITEMS
NO TEAR NO CHALICE NO WHATEVER THE FUCK ELSE

2x Dorans + Flask if you really really need it is all you'll ever need
i swear to god if i see another diana building athenes

[animorpherv1]

oh yeah and regarding Diana
NEVER EVER GET MANA ITEMS
NO TEAR NO CHALICE NO WHATEVER THE FUCK ELSE

2x Dorans + Flask if you really really need it is all you'll ever need
i swear to god if i see another diana building athenes

No Lich Bane?

[chamber]

Just once I'd like to play a game where none of my teammates lose their lanes 0/5 and try to build pure damage afterwards.

This isn't a troll question, and isn't directed specifically at glork. If you get crushed in lane as ADC should you still be going for the normal path? Is it better to go for something that will spike earlier? should you be building defensively and just give up on damage for a while(but then I think you're useless).

[Katsuki]

Survival is dps. Transition into more dps after you can make sure you don't just go splat.

*disclaimer dont play lol*

[Oman]

Just once I'd like to play a game where none of my teammates lose their lanes 0/5 and try to build pure damage afterwards.

This isn't a troll question, and isn't directed specifically at glork. If you get crushed in lane as ADC should you still be going for the normal path? Is it better to go for something that will spike earlier? should you be building defensively and just give up on damage for a while(but then I think you're useless).

I'd only drop like 720g into that Chain vest that you're eventually going to buy if the rest of your team is doing okay. If you take that much gold out of your build path, assuming you're behind already, you're going to be 1000g+ down on the other ADC and your team is going to have to CARRY YOU for a long time.

I don't know if I'm right (Bronze disclaimer) but when I'm behind I don't go for an earlier spike, I go for a more efficient spike. If I'm ahead on Lucian I'll build triforce, if I'm behind, I don't want to trade, so I'll build straight into the IE and hope to pick up some kills anyway. Going for an earlier spike only works if you can USE that spike (ie if the spike would make you more powerful than your opponent) otherwise you're better off not trading.

As an incidental point, buy survival items means not buying damage items which makes it harder to last hit and harder to push off your own turret.

[dramonic]

Elise's spiderlings can kill people after the game is over.
I am dying proof.

[Voidedmafia]

Always Q level 1 unless you're against a Gangplank in which case you get W
For invades you want the double gap closer in Q more than the higher AS E will get you
skill order is R>Q>E>W btw

That was "Shouldn't", but yeah that's what I thought.

For some reason selected quotes aren't being separated by paragraph.

*item stuff*

Alright, ideal build is ionians (for CDR), Hydraa, Banshee's/GA, Youmuu's, IE, and LW. I presume the build path would be Hydraa>Boots>IE>LW/Youmuu's>Youmuu'sLW>Banshee's/GA, right?

oh yeah and regarding Diana
NEVER EVER GET MANA ITEMS
NO TEAR NO CHALICE NO WHATEVER THE FUCK ELSE

2x Dorans + Flask if you really really need it is all you'll ever need
i swear to god if i see another diana building athenes

Diana doesn't use enough mana to need it?

No Lich Bane?

I think he's excluding that.

Elise's spiderlings can kill people after the game is over.
I am dying proof.

Elise is best bug. #Punsofdamage

[Ankamius]

Just once I'd like to play a game where none of my teammates lose their lanes 0/5 and try to build pure damage afterwards.

This isn't a troll question, and isn't directed specifically at glork. If you get crushed in lane as ADC should you still be going for the normal path? Is it better to go for something that will spike earlier? should you be building defensively and just give up on damage for a while(but then I think you're useless).

If you don't have your core yet, then you absolutely should still go for your core (Triforce/Bork, IE/Shiv, etc. depending on champ) because it's the most efficient spike for those champions. Once you're able to pose a threat, you have more freedom to build defense if you need to. ADC is one of those roles where even if you're pretty strong really early in the game (pre-6), you still have to have damage items to have any relevance whatsoever in the midgame. Positioning is your best form of defense, so try to figure out what positioning mistakes you're making and how to avoid them.

However, if you end up having to go back really early and you have like 600 gold, I'd just buy another doran's blade. It's not helpful when you're staying roughly even, but having the extra durability and sustain can help make up for getting significantly behind early.

Otherwise... it's mostly knowing matchups. Position well against hook champions, be extremely careful around a nami when your HP is lower than the enemy adc's, stay away from leona-bushes, etc. Most ADCs can farm under turret if planned properly (even better if the support knows exactly how to do it too), so you will be able to at least farm even though you don't have pressure.

Being able to farm under turret in the early game is a pretty handy skill to have as an ADC, though. If there are no friendly minions around, melee minions take 2 turret hits and 1 auto attack (it WILL take two for the first few levels unless you have a Janna) while ranged minions take a single tower hit and two auto attacks. I never memorized it with cannon minions since it's usually easier to just eyeball it for me.

[dramonic]

Elise's spiderlings can kill people after the game is over.
I am dying proof.

To be more specific:
http://www.twitch.tv/zeromxmxc/b/583285199
This at 2:44:00
WHAT THE HELL

[animorpherv1]

Being able to farm under turret in the early game is a pretty handy skill to have as an ADC, though. If there are no friendly minions around, melee minions take 2 turret hits and 1 auto attack (it WILL take two for the first few levels unless you have a Janna) while ranged minions take a single tower hit and two auto attacks. I never memorized it with cannon minions since it's usually easier to just eyeball it for me.

This is one of the reasons why I love ADCs with waveclear. My last-hitting under turret is pretty mediocre if I'm not focusing solely on that, and minion aggro makes it hard sometimes too. So I'll just waveclear most of it to 1 hit and auto everything, so the turret can't kill most of it.

[Ankamius]

I don't know if I'm right (Bronze disclaimer) but when I'm behind I don't go for an earlier spike, I go for a more efficient spike. If I'm ahead on Lucian I'll build triforce, if I'm behind, I don't want to trade, so I'll build straight into the IE and hope to pick up some kills anyway. Going for an earlier spike only works if you can USE that spike (ie if the spike would make you more powerful than your opponent) otherwise you're better off not trading.

Disclaimer that I have literally only played this champion once, but I've seen that higher ranked players (Diamond through Challenger) almost always go the BotRK -> Ghostblade path. I would imagine that the extra %damage on BotRK scales with his passive well, while both of the item's attack speeds supercharge his ult.

Triforce in theory should work on him since he's a pretty crazy duelist early in the game, but in practice I can imagine it being less so. ADCs have a lower movement speed stat and he has kite/chase potential in two abilities as it is, so the movement speed is less valuable. He also doesn't have any super spammable abilities. His Q will be on a 5 second cooldown with TForce, but he gets CDR from Bork/Ghostblade build, so the extra base damage passive isn't as useful either. Nothing on BotRK is bad for Lucian, though, so it's more efficient to build.

The sad thing I've noticed with the IE->Shiv path is that while it's the single most damaging path to go on... it takes a lot longer to get online than the other standard builds. You're at a significant disadvantage if you have a champion that goes along this path and you're losing the pressure war in the early game than if you went someone who builds a Triforce first, like Ezreal or Corki.