Mini 1619 - Antihero: REDEMPTION [GAME OVER]

[T S O]

posting images makes me sad because the screen segment only shows the left quarter of the image and it's shit.

[Flubbernugget]

Unless it's a gif I don't get it either.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Bert is scouring mafia games for meta stuff.

Like Gandalf researched archives in Gondor for info about the One Ring

[pirate mollie]

Bert is scouring mafia games for meta stuff.

Like Gandalf researched archives in Gondor for info about the One Ring

wat.

also I just realised that i played with you before cos I called you "anatoejam" inside my head and was like, "oh that sounds familiar".

I think I am starting to like gg. big bird and i are on the same wavelength cos I agree bert and metal are being weird.

bert isn't even remotely applying the same level of meta that other people are applying for instance that was some deep and compelling shit that starella coughed up. I have a hydra with bert with several completed games under its belt. we also have played several games together but he gets points for giving me the 3 day rule. his scumlist consists of 3 heavyweights which are all huge assets if town and i am not seeing a lot of attempt to sort them out.

so your townread on him is pretty weird. as is tso's townread on you.

[Bert]

Mollie I don't have the patience to deal with the heavyweight rage or lashing out that's usually actually unwarranted. soaks all the fun out

I would rather be detached

That's why I put my reads in clues as I don't wanna deal with all the luggage that comes with scumreading them, and I am not sure about them, that and a lot of it being paranoia

Saying I'm not "sorting them out and thus am suspicious" is similar to me asking you why you're not reaching out more to people.

Mastin is minimal activity and explanation, if you're wondering, since he's not prone to rages.

[Bert]

/mobile

My first two lines aren't referring to you lol btw

[Antihero]

anatoejam

anatoejam>>>tolemeister

[pirate mollie]

Mollie I don't have the patience to deal with the heavyweight rage or lashing out that's usually actually unwarranted. soaks all the fun out

I would rather be detached

That's why I put my reads in clues as I don't wanna deal with all the luggage that comes with scumreading them, and I am not sure about them, that and a lot of it being paranoia

Saying I'm not "sorting them out and thus am suspicious" is similar to me asking you why you're not reaching out more to people.

Mastin is minimal activity and explanation, if you're wondering, since he's not prone to rages.

I could argue that lying cats are neither 2 to rage either.

but lets talk about reasons. can you walk me through these plz?

[Bert]

okay hold on one sec

btw sthar does rage. i just got out of this old game with him/her, and i recall as town in that resistance game, there was much of the same tone.

Star now that I pulled up how you have never "townread" me "correctly," after you said you did -

It does not surprise me that you have no answer to my evidence of that old game.

With that said Your lack of visible re-evaluation is worrying

That is actually bullshit.

When I replaced into BPC's game you had a minor wagon on you based on you not playing in the fucking game. I unvoted and asked you why you were playing so terribly. The only way I could know that you were playing like shit instead of trying to win as scum was to be scumreading you. I came back to being ok with your lynch because YOU DIDNT PROTECT THE OBVIOUS AND CLAIMED INVESTIGATIVE ROLE and PARTICIPATED IN THE SHITTIEST, WORST QUICKLYNCH OF OBVIOUS TOWN I HAVE EVER SEEN. But the next day, despite having doubts about you I wound up voting WITH YOU on a scumlynch.

So yes, that is what the game looks like when you strip out all the context and my actions. But in the REAL world, where I live, I figured out that you were playing one of the shittiest, dumbest, worst games of mafia I had ever seen and DID NOT LYNCH you for it. Also known as CORRECTLY TOWNREADING.

Your false dichotomy between me and Anen today is bullshit. Your opening the lynch pool to include NP was bullshit. Your burst of energy, the only one you've had in the game, coming just before lylo right after your partner's lynch when someone suspects you, is bullshit.

Bert is scum. You guys are being morons.

[Antihero]

She is drowning. Agenbite. Save her. Agenbite. All against us. She will drown me with her, eyes and hair. Lank coils of seaweed hair around me, my heart, my soul. Salt green death.

We.

Agenbite of inwit. Inwit's agenbite.

Misery! Misery!

-Ulysses

Vote Count 1.13

Bert - 2 (mastin2, pirate mollie)
Flubbernugget - 2 (Guilty Gunsmith, Metal Sonic)
Guilty Gunsmith - 3 (Anatole Kuragin, Majiffy, Bert)
Guyett - 1 (notscience)
Majiffy - 3 (Lying Cat, Guyett, T S O)
Metal Sonic - 2 (beastcharizard, Flubbernugget)

Not Voting: No one

7 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2014-11-13 11:29:09)

[pirate mollie]

altho starella CAN rage it just never gets personal.

eta: xpost lol. just saw the first line and I am gonna read the rest

[pirate mollie]

okay I will wait for your reasons.

big bird told etl to calm down so I don't think that will be a problem. I think she will listen.

I will in the meantime look at the resistance game that you are talking about assuming I can find it in your iso.

and actually I would like to hear why you think anatoejam and tso are town cos they are buddying the fuck out of us. that makes me paranoid.

[Bert]

Seriously? Did you read the rest of this page?

A hint: Jiffy's scum.

Just thought about it. I'm going to plead the fifth on explaining the two scumreads outside mastin. I think if I do that, I'll get detached and prod dodge for 4-5 days, and I'd rather be active and talking to other people (maybe metal, beast show up, or notscience is here while I am here). I'm going to preface this post by saying that paranoia is just paranoia for paranoia's sake, and I feel it's always good to have the heavyweights feeling uncomfortable (as in, they aren't ever off the hook despite how town they may think they are being).

@ starella

did you look at the link I posted?

I did, and I compared. The rage in that game was focused on one player and used to advance her wincon. Here, she just checked out immediately and let her anger color her posts toward everyone. She was mad, she was trying to keep it in check and instead wound up lashing out a bunch. Whereas in sabo I she was using the anger as an excuse not to interact with you guys. ETL's too smart to waste potential sympathy like that.

I'm not giving them a free pass, but they are a townread for us right now.

So, I intended to iso GG and accidentally clicked bert, and now I kinda wanna sheep onto that wagon...

Re 751: I don't like the weird transition to a Bert scumread with no real explanation or follow up.

You just happened to misclick and iso bert? Uhhh. Did you go back and iso us after that "misclick"?

Yeah I did it this morning to double check what I was talking to mollie about.

I read bert's iso last night. It was late. We'd just seen John Wick. I was

lost

and

confused

and I

forgot how I got to that page

.

It made me

giggle

.

And now I'd sheep the bert wagon but I can't really explain why.

After this post, star said next to nothing about why he would sheep my wagon. This was not a believable "I accidentally clicked his ISO and noticed him" It seems outlandish. It's like he is interested in looking at his read on me, but he doesn't poke on me or anything. not one bit of interest to see if other people might follow his potential vote on me.

Please keep in mind that I haven't been caught up to this game at any point, and the crumbed reads I had were before I paid much attention to this game. I know people will say this is nitpicky, and they are right. Lol.

Also, LC's vote has been on Majiffy for a long time, and hasn't been anywhere else, which means despite voicing some other reads (scumreads like me), they aren't scraping together something solid on Majiffy.

There is nothing to work with on the Majiffy vote, and to heap onto that, I have no idea why they are voting Jiffy when they said they ISOéd GG (didn't come up with something conclusive), and then ISOed me and evidently found me scummy. And then, they are asking people to vote Jiffy with them.

[Bert]

Yeah I am the biggest hypocrite so far in this game after the stuff in my last post. LOL!!! I apologize for my incoming wall.

[Lying Cat]

^ I was scum in that game. That particular rage is fake as shit. But the Resistance-grumpy was real. As was my anger after the game bert linked.

I find it amusing that ETL and AP townread me for rage most of the time, Mollie scumreads me for it, and bert is willing to drop a lolhammer to avoid it.

It's really not indicative; I just happened to have a string of towngames while dealing with some difficult shit in meatworld. I realize that's not very helpful for reading sthar, but c'est la vie. WHAT makes me angry is another story, but you have to figure that out on your own.

I almost went nuts on AK the other day because he made a stupid post. But I did other things first and fell asleep before I could, and the moment passed.

p-edit bert all i got from that is that you aren't reading the game.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I kind of like pushing your buttons sthar.

[notscience]

Guys I'm stuck in bed

[Lying Cat]

But yeah, the game is pretty rad and you should totally rad it.

Im so serialkilling you tonight.

is it the sexy kind of serialkilling?

but seriously, AK is like the perfect vig target and a vig that shoots anyone else is terrible.

[Bert]

OK. I understand. Well, I'll withhold this post then since it appears like I'm not reading. Probably is a bad idea to post this anyways haha.

As for Mastin, he's just putting the word "town" or "scum" next to player names in every post, and that's it.

I will say that what I did find town about ETL ever since i posted those scumreads a while back, was when she felt like she was about to be lynched, she was like guaranteeing Jiffy would flip scum, and that was totally not the best defense if scum. On the other hand, she wasn't anywhere near actually being lynched, so there's that... it was like she wasn't trying as much to save herself, as much as trying to get scumread lynched tomorrow if that makes sense

What I don't like is how they flip-flopped from White Knighting me (for no alignment-indicative reason outside "he's not playing like the old Dark age - where I lurked" when I've been lurking or active lurking in this game, to being "meh and weird." The fact is, I started out this game lurking in the background. Overall, It's a very odd avenue to take (doesn't make sense) if ETL is town trying to peg me as scum.

Be back after lunch.

[Lying Cat]

Yes? Maybe? Not sure. It's not like everyone doesn't know that putting me in a townlist is the best way to deal with me.

not true. best way to deal with you is let you do your own thing until your narrative materializes.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Bertie I don't think you're scum....?

[Antihero]

Guys I'm stuck in bed

Spoiler: about that...

[Lying Cat]

I would have -loved- to roll scum and win here. As Mafia dreams go, this would p much have been it.

I know, kiddo. Maybe next time.

[Lying Cat]

I feel it's always good to have the heavyweights feeling uncomfortable

ru fat shaming me bert

[Lying Cat]

After this post, star said next to nothing about why he would sheep my wagon. This was not a believable "I accidentally clicked his ISO and noticed him" It seems outlandish. It's like he is interested in looking at his read on me, but he doesn't poke on me or anything. not one bit of interest to see if other people might follow his potential vote on me.

It's the guttiest of gut reads and I may be way off base. I was referencing something to ETL and I think she got it, but apparently disagrees with me. Besides, I'm actively scumreading majiffy and he's my preferred lynch by a long shot.

Also, LC's vote has been on Majiffy for a long time, and hasn't been anywhere else, which means despite voicing some other reads (scumreads like me), they aren't scraping together something solid on Majiffy.

There is nothing to work with on the Majiffy vote, and to heap onto that, I have no idea why they are voting Jiffy when they said they ISOéd GG (didn't come up with something conclusive), and then ISOed me and evidently found me scummy. And then, they are asking people to vote Jiffy with them.

I think the case on majiffy is p solid. There are a myriad of reasons to find him scummy, enumerated by us and others. If you don't understand any of them, feel free to ask. I ISO'd GG because I was talking about them with mollie; you can read the results of that in thread.