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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:27 am

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WaffleGhost wrote:I honestly don't see a reason why I would deliberately troll as mafia or portray myself as a newbie intentionally.
Why?


Why would you do this as town?

Please explain your motivations more clearly and in a way that makes sense as a logical progression, if you can.

@Victor: I didn't read it that way but I see it now that you point it out.

@Flubber, what did you mean, can we have 1 more?
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:30 am

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I wasn't trolling.

I add a joking sentence onto a post > I get a lot of shit for it > I set out to show I was joking > I start to ask questions relating to "lol" to get someone to say that "lol" can mean someone's joking > I realize I didn't use "lol" in my sentence
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:12 am

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How is the fact that you were joking supposed to be a defense, exactly? Especially in the context of this game?
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:03 am

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WaffleGhost wrote:As town, appearing town benefits the town, unless of course, your just out for town cred. Appearing town is good but it should be something that happens naturally by actions and not by you hunting for opportunities to win over the town's trust, in my opinion. Only scum is concerned with being the towniest of the town for the most part.

Here are 2 mindsets
Must look town must look town. . . must. . . look. . . town. . . .

I'm gonna be a bad ass scum hunting machine, who cares if I get my complexion a bit dirty?

I'm not accusing you of being scum, yet. Just stating my opinion as far as play.
I'm just a dumb newbie though :P


This sentence got me a lot of heat. I was joking.
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:24 am

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Okay. We're not under threat of immediate deadline at the moment, so I'm going to do this:

UNVOTE:

And I'm going to ask: What do you think of GreyICE, WaffleGhost?

2birds1stone, sitting this one out is going to make me think you're scum and is going to be rewarded with a shiny new Vote from me. Reads please.
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:24 am

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So Waffleghost ... in that quoted post, you're saying that townies shouldn't be concerned about looking town -- they should instead be hunting scum. Which are you doing right now? Looking town, or hunting scum?
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:27 am

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Garmr wrote:
Flubbernugget wrote:Can we have 1 more


So are people just going to ignore this shit. His basically asking someone else to hammer.

WaffleGhost wrote:
Flubbernugget wrote:Can we have 1 more


Why don't you hammer me yourself? Are you afraid to get your hands dirty?


n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n n
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:27 am

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That was me facedesking in my computer class.
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:32 am

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I don't think Waffle actually answered why he wanted to know what lol meant.
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:52 am

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Garmr wrote:But it's the throw away lol case that gathered the most votes why didn't people him when he had these solid reasoning. Why let the wagon get to middle size then boom grow in a instant once a vote tipped it into the most voted category. I feel like the wagon started on town grounds and some point scum greased the wheels.

You seem to have found where my suspicion of Waffle started, but thought I'd answer anyway. As I was writing my summary post I took notice of the exchange between Waffle and Genda, and thought there could be something to it, particularly since it seemed to receive little attention at the time. So why did I not vote then? My goal with that post was to establish baseline reads on everyone, for my own benefit as much as the town, and I was still preoccupied with ProHawk.

VictorDeAngelo wrote:Am I only one who read as Flubber asking Hawk for another scumread? Am I just being dumb here?

No, I agree with you. I don't think it would make any sense to ask someone else to hammer if you can do so yourself, as either alignment.

Speaking of making sense, I could almost believe Garmr's theory about Waffle being sarcastic, though I did not read it that way. But as for Waffle, his explanation is contrived and ridiculous. If the dumb newbie comment was a joke, he should have just said so, shrugged it off and moved on. Instead he tried to serve us some wine, and when that did not work, he tried this convoluted plot that seems as likely to work as running after tying your shoelaces together. What I have to wonder is why has he spent so much effort defending himself after one minor slip, instead of playing the game?

WaffleGhost wrote:I'll try to post more content but honestly I don't feel I could make any mildly accurate reads; why post random shit that I don't believe because people are telling me to post more content?

Because you are judged not only by your accuracy but by your effort. Do you think the rest of us would be confident in our reads on day one? I know I'm bound to be wrong about something, but I stand by my reads anyway because that is how the game is. You do the best with what you are given, and let the mod sort out the rest. If you don't even try to find scum and focus solely on staying alive, it should come as no surprise when people suspect you.
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:00 pm

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@Flubber, oh sorry, I claim scum I wanted to fake newbiness for my evil master plan.
I just want to point out that I did answer. There is no disputing that. You may however dispute that I didn't answer it honestly. But hey maybe my entire answer was a metaphor for some sexual action, you can never be sure:)

@Massive, Well clearly I'm not looking town, unless townie players are honoured by L-2. I'm going to assume you weren't asking that though; technically I guess I'm trying to look town, by defending myself.

@Flubber (again), so are you actually going to explain your "Can we get one more?" post? Or are you just gonna type N's. I can do that too!

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

@Bookitty, I'll look back at the game a bit and get back to you.

@Feysal, you want me to post reads even though I have little to base them off and probably don't believe them? Okay!

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and let's not refer to my beautiful (almost) defense as a plot. It really wasn't all that convoluted if you think. . . . I mean, people aren't going to attack you if they admit you were joking.
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:24 pm

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Okay so, brief 60 second analysis of the last 2 pages: I don't like Bookitty's "I hate being trolled" excuse to vote me; there is 0 mention of anythign being scummy and also just suddenly hopping on a wagon comes off as really scummy. Secondly, GreyICE is not looking exceptionally good to me for basically the same reasons. Did this not become scummy until Feysal said it??? AND C, I really am not liking Flubber's whole "Can we get one more?" If you want me hammered, man up and do it yourself. Do you not want to take responsibility for hammering someone you know is a townie?

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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:36 pm

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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:51 pm

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Lying about being a newb and trolling people (whether you know it or not, that's what you were doing) to get them to waste time answering questions you already know the answers to will often get you lynched.

I wasn't aware you weren't serious and newbie (in fact, I was soft-defending you earlier in the thread because I DID think you were a newbie) until Feysal posted meta proof.

So yeah, Feysal was the catalyst for my vote on you because he provided facts about your play I didn't have.

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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:08 pm

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*Sigh* let's do this again.

I wasn't trolling


I never said I was a newb in earnest. I don't presume to judge myself on being a newb or not. Maybe I am, I've been playing mafia for less than 6 months and have not completed 3 games yet. Figure it for yourself.

How exactly did Feysal post meta proof I wasn't a noob??? I don't follow, he posted meta proof I knew what lol meant but that's not the same thing as being a noob.
Waste time? I don't follow, I suppose by the strictest definition yes, but really? You had to waste a WHOLE 20 SECONDS answering my questions. I feel so sorry for you. I can't imagine how you got through your ordeal, it's like some shit from "Dr. Pain's Torture Manual: FOR DUMMIES!" (not actually a book to my knowledge but if it was I'd read it.)
Believe me if I was scum trying to waste your time I'm sure I could put my brain to the task of it and waste more time than it takes to answer what "lol" means. But hey, maybe I was too busy doing, I don't know, Sudoku.
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:18 pm

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In you asked the LOL question.

In I answered it because I figured no one else would.

That's 21 posts of people ignoring your question.

Feysal posted proof that you were asking questions you already knew the answer to. You say now you weren't feigning being a newb for valuable towncred, you were instead going the REALLY long way around to "prove" that the newbie comment was a joke. Why not just say it?

What if no one had responded at all? Would it have been back to lurking and Sudoku?
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:10 pm

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I suspect this guy of being scum. Oh he says "I'm joking". THAT CLEARS IT UP CASE DROPPED!
Something doesn't seem right.
No, if you want to prove your joking you have to get someone to say "yes X is used to mark something as a joke." Then you say "I said X when I said that. You know what X means." and if you do that, people already said themselves that X = joke so they may no longer say that it was serious with contradicting themselves.
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:12 pm

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I read Waffle's ISO

This post gave me cancer
WaffleGhost wrote:@Gendaberry Check Newbie 1543. You honestly think as scum I'd say "OH I KNOW! I'LL DO THE EXACT SAME THING THAT GOT ME LYNCHED IN MY LAST GAME!!!" ?
I also didn't intend to be attacking anyone, I was stating my opinion on playstyle. I intended to share my stance on appearing town. I've had serious misconceptions about things in IRL mafia and was I mafia? No.

@Victor Whilst just reading through here's how people struck me based on my gut.
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:28 pm

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GreyICE wrote:
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kill you, child.


FTFY.

Guys, I am not so sure about Waffle being scum, its too low hanging, its too easy and votes sprang up real quick ---> Scum Help. His posts just plain don't make sense. At all. Reads are incoherent. No trajectory. I don't like ICE's vote.

Primate still doesn't have a vote out, and we have four days left. Playing things real low key.

Speaking of trolling...

GreyICE wrote:Hi, I'm scum


GreyICE wrote:
Mod still hasn't told me who is in the QT, but this guy has sent me several subtle signals in the last few posts. I clearly need to bus him.


GreyICE wrote:
I have a theory guyz


GreyICE wrote:
Afk for chemotherapy


Hey GreyICE, whats your read on Jackal?
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:29 pm

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Primate wrote:Yeah, I get why you might think he'd do it as scum, but I don't really get why most everything you said wouldn't also apply equally to him if he was making that joke as town. It's still ballsy, surely.


We are going to put his claim aside for a second. Town or scum? What's your take?
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:19 pm

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pro hawk I'm forming a town block with you,me and vik.
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:30 pm

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Garmr wrote:pro hawk I'm forming a town block with you,me and vik.
Okay, that makes me doubt my reads a little.

Assuming for a second that I'm wrong about the associative tells (probable, at this point): WaffleGhost is lynchable, and FlubberNugget is scummy for responding to a serious accusation with the letter "n" repeatedly. The two people who spoke up in his defence are worth looking into as buddies if he turns out to be scum.

Feysal reads town to me. Coming into a game and attempting to form meta reads on players you don't know takes a reasonable amount of hard-to-fake effort, and I don't really see scum doing that.

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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:34 pm

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One more of what 2birds.

I ask you.

Please answer correctly for the love of all that isn't brain failure.
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:04 am

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Everything Waffle is doing right now is reason enough to lynch. His anger doesn't really feel genuine and he keeps trying too hard to nail home how new he is. Let's get the last few votes on him and flip the slot.

@Garmr - I'm not interested in town blocs Day 1. Perhaps later.
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:10 am

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2birds1stone wrote:
Garmr wrote:pro hawk I'm forming a town block with you,me and vik.
Okay, that makes me doubt my reads a little.


Why?

@WaffleGhost: How would it have proven that you were joking just because you said LOL or :p at the end? I wasn't reading the initial comment either way (as a scumtell or a towntell) but that was independent of it being a joke. Proving that you inserted an emoticon at the end doesn't prove intent.

For example (and I don't use LOL much, if at all, so this isn't something I would say anyway):

WaffleGhost is scum lol.

Is the content I just posted "WaffleGhost is scum" completely disproven because I said lol at the end?

I do not understand your reasoning AT ALL.

Do you consider yourself a newbie?
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