Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

Sonic Boom · Post Post #600 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:37 pm

↑ Bulbazak wrote:
↑ pirate mollie wrote:
as I was saying I would never call what she does derp. there is often a method to her madness. so why the discredit?

In all of my experience with DGB, she's always been a huge liability to the town, normally resulting in a large amount of mislynches led by her and/or a town loss. Three examples where she was town: 1.) In Voided's nightless Mountainous game, she led, as town, every single mislynch. 2.) As Serene in NY 165, she claimed masons with a bulletproof town and then later turned on him. Town couldn't trust the hydra for the rest of the game, which distracted them from the scum, allowing for a scum win. 3.) In Ikaruga Mafia, she ended up tunneling strongly on town and ended up handing the scum team the game.

So, no Mollie, this is not a discredit. This is a reality. DGB is known for derp tunneling, and if I didn't have such a strong townread on her, I would not be opposed to policy lynching her for the lols. Heck, I still wouldn't object to her lynch.

Sonic Boom · Post Post #601 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:38 pm

hey i think i have read all 3 of those games coincidentally

am i really that experienced

<<< Now that I think about it...I did more than just read those three; I was IN all three of 'em! Maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, I feel old. >>>

lol

ika · Post Post #602 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:15 pm

i just got poked on i need to poke bak (my com booting up and just got home from work one sec)

ika · Post Post #603 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:52 pm

ok so i kinda caught up (while eating) so heres where i stand on everything, im making if breif too cus i got work in the morning and then school

first off UNVOTE:

the cop claim is a sefl resloving problem on its own but whatever

@guile: you seem to have not read fully then, i stated my reason for wanting that slot lynched, it has titus who is a hindrance to us, if you look at the last game (robbery at casino) she tunnles on 2 town and even went to the extent of nealry doing the fake cop guilty
also i almost always scum read her cus if she is scum she is at time near impoosible to lynch
if your sole reason for scum reading me is cus "list and doing shit" then you really dont know my play i play close to heart and very seculded about my reasons with almost everything

@hawk, if we are going to break a game,liek this is easier by mass call then "what fits" but everyone already shut down the idea apparently

@dino: you are now a compulsive 1-shot vig, who do you kill and why?

@mollie: y you no talk to me?

@bulb: you gonna talk to me or jsut vote me?

@eddie: heads or tails? (yes this is a seriosu question)

@shos: should i go full ika mode for day 1? if not why?

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im going to sleep cus i got work in the morn and school but i should be around for tuseday at least (my day off)

Doyouthinkhesaurus · Post Post #604 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:56 pm

@ika: ProHawk because people seem so adamant to just leave him be, and thus less likely to be lynched than Fenix.

ProHawk · Post Post #605 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:03 pm

For my wall, I am going to start back to where things get interesting... around claim time.

Spoiler: PbP Stuffs

<<< This tracking will be made much easier once I get the extended votecounts up. They should be up tonight! >>>

So here is what caught my eye (since I didn't explain myself properly the first time apparently). This is a closed game. We don't know what roles are. Speculation abounds, and likelihood/probability/percentages help with trying to figure stuff out. I get that. But when Dino said something about the cop being un-counter-claimed, that drew red flags up for me.

Because:

A) Why would a cop counter-claim even if he were in the game?
B) We don't know if there are multiple cops in the setup, which would also invalidate that insinuation (that another cop claim would be COUNTER to the original claim)
C) This game is listed as unbalanced/bastard/whatever, which would fly in the face of logic when trying to solve the game with claims and counter-claims. Red-Herring roles?

What this looks like to me, especially on a re-read of the whole situation:

Scum getting run up. The go-to-claim to fish for a potentially devastating role is cop. So he claims cop and runs with it. His buddies are trying to help the fishing along by calling for a counter claim. OR

In the event that Sonic actually is a Cop:

Scum are also capitalizing on the "lets find other cops and call for counter-claims"

Let it be known that all of

Dino, DGB, and Guille

want a counter claim to Sonic's claim.

Doyouthinkhesaurus · Post Post #606 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:11 pm

What? That's BS. I say 'un-cc'd cop' as a qualifier. I never once asked for a CC, I just don't like making absolute statements like "the fakeclaimed cop" or "the cop".

Also, I didn't consider the possibility of multiple cops, and I kinda derped because I didn't realise what people were talking about when they said that.

Regardless, we're not lynching Sonic today and the smart move for any cops out there would be to just investigate Sonic and wait til tomorrow.

Again.
I never asked for a CC.

ProHawk · Post Post #607 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:14 pm

If there was a counter-claim, would you consider lynching Sonic?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #608 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:14 pm

↑ ProHawk wrote:of Dino, DGB, and Guille

Whaaaa???

I unvoted saying that we're not going to lynch a claimed cop day 1, I didn't ask for a counterclaim, what are you talking about?

ProHawk · Post Post #609 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:16 pm

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:
↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:Why are we still L-1ing an un-cc'd cop?

INORITE

Only the scum

You indirectly supported the fact that only scum are L-1'ing an un-cc'd cop. Which only seems to me like you want a counter-claim in order to lynch Sonic, or am I wrong there?

Doyouthinkhesaurus · Post Post #610 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:22 pm

Wtf is this reasoning? ^

Can we lynch ProHawk for real now?

UNVOTE: Fenix
VOTE: ProHawk

If there was a CC, I MIGHT consider lynching Sonic. But I'd want to leave them alive for now to see what happens (like if any of them get NK'd).

ProHawk · Post Post #611 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:28 pm

I need more time to get into case-defense if you will, but I don't really have it unfortunately. I think the number of people that have taken hard-stances make a Sonic flip very profitable in the analysis category. I don't necessarily think he NEEDS to be lynched today, but it would give a lot of info to see his flip. I think Dino is scum and would love to see him go today. Still think Shos is probable scum in that category. Don't think Voided or istott are scum. I think that covered the votes on me?

Also, did Dino really just spend time making a case on me without voting me AND say he would vig-shoot me, but wouldn't lynch me? Take that for what it's worth.

Just found a Mollie post talking about counter-claiming too. Add her to that list of contending fishing-scum.

P-EDIT: OH THERE IS THAT VOTE!

ProHawk · Post Post #612 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:42 pm

One last point before I go.

↑ pirate mollie wrote:@ bulba - I have a few games with prohawk both forum games and skype. he is far more assertive and aggressive than this. I am a heavy heavy meta player and to me if he is town (and I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt) and to me this is very atypical of his town game so i wondering what the hell you are basing your read on.

Mollie, the last time you tried to push a scum-case on me based on meta, you were scum.

Although, at least this time you are saying that I am playing atypical of my town game (which isn't factual) instead of saying I am playing like my scum game (which you have little experience with). So props to that I suppose.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #613 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:55 pm

↑ ProHawk wrote:
↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:
↑ Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:Why are we still L-1ing an un-cc'd cop?

INORITE

Only the scum

You indirectly supported the fact that only scum are L-1'ing an un-cc'd cop. Which only seems to me like you want a counter-claim in order to lynch Sonic, or am I wrong there?

What no

I'm saying only the scum would be voting a claimed cop on day 1.

How on earth can you even interpret that as asking for a CC?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #614 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:56 pm

↑ ProHawk wrote:I don't necessarily think he NEEDS to be lynched today, but it would give a lot of info to see his flip.

Are you serious?

EddieFenix · Post Post #615 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:05 pm

@ika Tails never fails

shos · Post Post #616 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:09 pm

↑ Mathdino wrote:townread on ProHawk

LOL

mastin2 · Post Post #617 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:32 pm

Let's see if I can normalize things tonight. (Ergo, votecounts. The game is beyond all hope of being normal.)

Edit:

A bit late, but it'll do!

Seventeenth Votecount

:

ProHawk - 3 (shos, istott, Mathdino)

Mathdino - 2 (ProHawk, Bulbazak)

Voidedmafia - 2 (pirate mollie, Nazarene)
ika - 1 (guille2015)
guille2015 - 1 (Sonic Boom)

Not voting - 4 (EddieFenix, Voidedmafia, DrippingGoofBall, ika)

With

13

alive, it's

7

to lynch.
Day One's deadline is Wednesday, November 19th, @ 4:15 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2014-11-19 16:15:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 24, post 581.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D1

Spoiler: Voting Chronology for D1

<<< Are you guys

trying

to lynch Not Voting? What did NV ever do to you?!? >>>

Metal Sonic · Post Post #618 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:50 pm

↑ EddieFenix wrote:@ika Tails never fails

And that's why he's sonic's best friend

Hi-5!

mastin2 · Post Post #619 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:17 pm

<<< Hey, Sonic! In spite of your name, your hands and brain don't seem to move rapidly enough to prevent posting on the wrong account.

If you keep on doing that, I can and

will

adapt the Antihero method of dealing with hydra slips. And trust me, I've got plenty lined up.

>>>

istott · Post Post #620 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:26 pm

<<< The best part of the image is the flexibility behind the meaning of the words. There are at least three different ways that could be read:
"I must move with great speed",
"I must go without eating",
And, "*gripping nether-regions* I gotta GO. Fast!"

Now tell me, which do you think a hydra-slipping Sonic is? >>>

Sonic Boom · Post Post #621 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:27 pm

↑ mastin2 wrote:
<<< Hey, Sonic! In spite of your name, your hands and brain don't seem to move rapidly enough to prevent posting on the wrong account.

If you keep on doing that, I can and
will
adapt the Antihero method of dealing with hydra slips. And trust me, I've got plenty lined up. >>>

Oh no!!! Gotta run!!

<<< You can run, but you cannot hide, for I see every slip for what it is... >>>

Nazarene · Post Post #622 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:26 pm

↑ Nazarene wrote:Prohawk, let's talk a bit. Why exactly do you feel this is not townshos but instead scumshos imitating his town meta? Subquestions: how familiar are you with shos's meta? and How much variation is there usually in his towngame? and Have you seen.hm manipulate his meta before?

Also, what do you think of the current dino wagon?

PROHAWK LOOK

-Tier

mastin2 · Post Post #623 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:40 pm

Do you know what goes bump in the night?

mastin2 · Post Post #624 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:40 pm

My head when I stand up from my bed.