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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:15 am

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Paschendale wrote:I ignored it because it's simply wrong. Your "feeling" is wrong, your assessment of my response is wrong, your assertion of information from your interaction with TW is wrong.
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Paschendale wrote:And I don't really care about your objections to my case on you. I care about other people's objections

Paschendale wrote:To Mastin, Shiny, and others: That's a whole lot of tearing down of other wagons going on
Is it just me, or does anyone else see a blatant contradiction in attitude between these two statements? (I care about objections to wagons vs. how dare you object to wagons)
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:17 am

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KittyCupCake wrote:Right... so do you have anything to support any of that? -As a lawyer, you should understand the concept of "evidence."


As someone who I assume isn't stupid, you surely understand that "evidence" in the strict definition of the word is not forthcoming on d1.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:22 am

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DOMO wrote:As someone who I assume isn't stupid, you surely understand that "evidence" in the strict definition of the word is not forthcoming on d1.
I wasn't using the "strict definition." -You can definitely quote things to support your assertions. Or, at least, you can when you're not making things up and BSing.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:22 am

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im not accusing you, i think youre town in fact. im just trying to get in your mind and understand how you think, so i can be sure.

the problem you have is you're translating "playstyle i dont understand/like" into "scum motivation". both your "cases" are just that. Consider different people have different ways of playing.

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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:23 am

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Wisdom wrote:im not accusing you, i think youre town in fact. im just trying to get in your mind and understand how you think, so i can be sure.

the problem you have is you're translating "playstyle i dont understand/like" into "scum motivation". both your "cases" are just that. Consider different people have different ways of playing.

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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:39 am

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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:the problem you have is you're translating "playstyle i dont understand/like" into "scum motivation". both your "cases" are just that. Consider different people have different ways of playing.


Scum motivation is about as reliable a tell as you're gonna get so early. That's how I operate this early in the game. I try to figure out people's motives. Of course I'm sometimes wrong. In fact I'm usually wrong. That's natural. I would expect to have a higher success rate than a pure random average, but I don't even care if I don't. It's d1 and it can last 14 irl days. The hardest part of d1 at this site is not losing interest. That's why I can be a bit trolly, or go a few days without doing anything constructive.

But I'm not gonna change my methods on d1. Nor am I going to apologise for my style. I'm in this for the long haul. Don't assume that what you see now is how I'm going to play all game. Tomorrow we have flips.
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:41 am

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alright. help me flip bulba then

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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:45 am

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I can only see bulb scum if kitty is scum too. Why else would bulb try to slam the brakes on a kitty wagon while people are pushing for his lynch?
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:47 am

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because wking

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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:48 am

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And that's a scum tell is it?
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:52 am

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well not always, but most times yes. Depends on the circumstances

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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:55 am

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Bulbazak wrote:Wisdom, one of these days you'll learn how to actually scumhunt. Why is Kitty scum? Why is everyone on her wagon town? Because that's what you're suggesting. You have taken zero interest in figuring out her or my alignment. If you thought my stance was BS, then you should have asked me how I came to my reads on everyone. I've been very clear on my Kitty, TW, and Pasch reads. Less so on my Aronis and Jeckel reads, mostly because they are developing. Aronis's first and only post is opportunistic as crap and exactly what I'd expect from scum him. Jeckel might be town, but his first post, which jumped on the emerging Kitty wagon, felt very mechanical. The only legit vote I've seen is Farside, and that looks to be largely personal. So again, what's the Kitty case?


Getting a strong town vibe from this.

Not into a bulb wagon.

VOTE: pine

Still unimpressed with his "shitty and cheap" accusation, while ignoring rvs attacks that don't evolve.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:56 am

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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:well not always, but most times yes. Depends on the circumstances

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I WK the shit out of people as town. I just WK'd bulb.
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:58 am

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DOMO wrote:I dunno, I was simply mocking your idea of scumhunting.


Kinda agree with this assessment of what Shiny and a few others are doing here. It's not really helping the group accomplish anything to just make unfounded assertions. There is no reason to believe anyone when they don't offer reasons.

KittyCupCake wrote:Right... so do you have anything to
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any of that? -As a lawyer, you should understand the concept of "evidence."


Of course I do, and I gave it, and it was well-received by some people. And of course you don't accept it. It's a case on you. Duh. Now please stop whining. If you think you can distinguish yourself and make people have a reason to townread you, you could try actually contributing something of value to the game.

Is it just me, or does anyone else see a blatant contradiction in attitude between these two statements? (I care about objections to wagons vs. how dare you object to wagons)


It is just you. Or rather, only you are trying to misrep what I said like that. I did not say "how dare" anyone anything. I said that if someone is going to attack someone else's case, they ought to have some of their own to contribute. This is a lesson that you, like the others I was talking to before, seem to need to learn.

DOMO wrote:And that's a scum tell is it?


In my experience, it's most often an accusation to discredit someone who is pointing out very obvious flaws in a person's case. "White knighting" someone usually translates to "pointing out why you're wrong" about that person.
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:02 am

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yeah domo, thats why it depends on the circumstances. In this case, the way it happened just made my mind jump immediately to scum WKing the probable lynch.

as for what you quoted, bulba is totally capable of saying such a thing as scum. like i said, if you just easily townread him off such things, he will skate by and win.

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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:05 am

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Paschendale wrote:In my experience, it's most often an accusation to discredit someone who is pointing out very obvious flaws in a person's case. "White knighting" someone usually translates to "pointing out why you're wrong" about that person.

because obviously thats what happened here.

defend your buddy moar

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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:06 am

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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:as for what you quoted, bulba is totally capable of saying such a thing as scum. like i said, if you just easily townread him off such things, he will skate by and win.


Well you're assuming he's scum, which is likely to be a flawed assumption based purely on probability. You're also assuming I'm going to townread him all game based on a decent d1 post. I'm more than happy to act on gut on d1. My gut tells me bulb is town. If someone presents a case more compelling than gut, then fair enough I can be swayed. Good luck with that on d1.
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:07 am

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he is going to continue making posts that will make you think he's town tho

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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:08 am

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If he continues to make posts that make me think he is town, then the conclusion I will draw is that he is town.
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:09 am

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You're asking me to lynch bulba based on paranoia, is that right?
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:11 am

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no, because hes scum. you just cant see it cuz you dont know how to see it

and then after he has flipped scum you have these wonderful reactions to my push from Pasche and Pine to tell you who the buddies are

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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:15 am

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How can you be so sure that bulb is scum when we're 5 irl days into d1? I'm sorry but I'm not the kind of person who blindly sheeps people. I want detailed cases if you want my vote on someone my gut tells me is town. Just saying you're certain does not convince me, on the contrary it makes me more suspicious of you, because I have no idea how you can be so certain bulb is scum this early in the game. I don't agree. I might be wrong. You don't seem to have natural town doubt. I don't trust you, so I'm not going to piggyback on your bulb read. And it's just a read, it hasn't even evolved into a case yet.
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:19 am

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yeh and dont expect it to, i dont make cases

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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:20 am

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anyhow, your vote on pine is good so whatevs. you'll see the light eventually

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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:45 am

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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:yeh and dont expect it to, i dont make cases

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Yeah only an hour or two ago you were telling me about my obligation to scumhunt. Meanwhile, your idea of scumhunting is to throw names around.

I'm guessing that when you named yourself "wisdom" you were being ironic.

Look, you do what you like. But if you expect people to sheep you when you can't be arsed to make cases, or if you expect town cred when you play a lazy one liner style that would be so easy to play as scum, then you're deluded. I'm thinking we should just lynch you because at best you're useless, at worst you're scum.
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