Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

Sonic Boom · Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:33 pm

because he is Guille-ty!

Sonic Boom · Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:48 pm

VERY TOWN AND YOU SHOULD NOT LYNCH:

Sonic Boom

Town and probably don't lynch:

pirate mollie
Bulbazak
DrippingGoofball
Prohawk

I dunno, lynch them I dont care

ika
istott
Nazarene

LYNCH THESE SCUMBAGGS

guille2015
EddieFenix
Mathdino

pirate mollie · Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:50 pm

what exactly do you agree with about the dgb reads if you have her as town?

Sonic Boom · Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:54 pm

Reasoning:

pirate mollie: mollie is very town. no lynching mollie. mollie is the towniest.

Bulbazak: bulbazak is also very town. no lynching bulbazak. bulbazak is the second towniest

DrippingGoofball: DrippingGoofball is obvtown and this is filler

Prohawk:

↑ ProHawk wrote:Hi Tier!

VOTE: shos

Don't kill Nazarene

suggests some form of town PR.

If town have a daycop its probably prohawk

For this reason already you should lynch prohawk at all.

Anyway, although his ISO is quite fluffy, it fits the agenda of a town player trying to lay low so that he won't be shot by scum. Meanwhile, he helps the town with posts like

↑ ProHawk wrote:Hi guys, the name of this game is Hilariously.... HILARIOUSLY... UNBALANCED Mafia. Anyone trying to use balance to solve this game is scum.

VOTE: Dinosaurus

I think he was the first one? Or maybe was just the first scummy one who stuck out to me.

↑ ProHawk wrote:For my wall, I am going to start back to where things get interesting... around claim time.

Spoiler: PbP Stuffs
Right after the claim -->

Bulb unvotes Sonic.
Nazarine votes Sonic.
Shos unvotes Sonic and calls Nazarine scum for voting Sonic.
DGB unvotes Sonic.
Eddie votes Sonic.
DGB joins the "Voting Sonic is ScumClaiming" clan.
Dino defends Sonic, the "un-cc'd cop".
DGB backs him up.
Dino votes Fenix for voting Sonic.
Guille talks about needing a counter-claim.

<<< This tracking will be made much easier once I get the extended votecounts up. They should be up tonight! >>>

So here is what caught my eye (since I didn't explain myself properly the first time apparently). This is a closed game. We don't know what roles are. Speculation abounds, and likelihood/probability/percentages help with trying to figure stuff out. I get that. But when Dino said something about the cop being un-counter-claimed, that drew red flags up for me.

Because:

A) Why would a cop counter-claim even if he were in the game?
B) We don't know if there are multiple cops in the setup, which would also invalidate that insinuation (that another cop claim would be COUNTER to the original claim)
C) This game is listed as unbalanced/bastard/whatever, which would fly in the face of logic when trying to solve the game with claims and counter-claims. Red-Herring roles?

What this looks like to me, especially on a re-read of the whole situation:

Scum getting run up. The go-to-claim to fish for a potentially devastating role is cop. So he claims cop and runs with it. His buddies are trying to help the fishing along by calling for a counter claim. OR

In the event that Sonic actually is a Cop:

Scum are also capitalizing on the "lets find other cops and call for counter-claims"

Let it be known that all of
Dino, DGB, and Guille
want a counter claim to Sonic's claim.

These clearly show that Prohawk is town.

Sonic Boom · Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:00 pm

Reasoning #2:

ika - ika is very strange and unreadable. he is just here to hammer people and make noise. at least, that's what I surmise. Prohawk, you have seen his scumgame before, in Inuyasha, what do you think?

Nazarene - He would be in my townreads, but he is voting me currently. That is very strange. Has he been swayed by the scum yelling for my blood (I refer to EddieFenix and co.)? Why would he vote an obvtown claimed cop? Why would he want to reduce the amount of discussion time for town by attempting to hurry my lynch? If he was voting Mathdino or some other person I would be townreading him. His posts seem helpful and well thought out. Also I think I know Aegor and he is quite a good player.

istott - His posting style has been quite townie, but there is that miller claim buggy which he keeps baiting me to investigate. I need to scrutinize this guy a lot more because either he is town and being honest about 1 shot miller, or is scum who is giving a red herring. Maybe scum vanillaizer? pgo? godfather? who knows? bastard game.

Sonic Boom · Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:07 pm

Reasoning #3:

guille2015 - This guy is obvscum. He makes up reads and pretends to scumhunt, but its all mush. He claimed to be jailkeeper, but he could be a scum jailkeeper! He didn't claim town jailkeeper! That means he isn't lying, its just that you guys are making a hasty assumption. A jailkeeper is simply a nerfed scum roleblocker. Our town doctor already flipped. Town have another protective role, you think? Wouldn't the game be very difficult for scum then? Bastard games are meant to be hard for town ( i think), not scum!

EddieFenix - Eddie has been shifty

the whole game. He calls me town then suddenly calls me scum. He also has a readslist with less than half of the players in game. Lol just look at him

Mathdino - He is not scumhunting at all. His posts are full of nothing. Examples :

↑ Mathdino wrote:That's kind of a bad reason to vote someone tbh.

358 was followed up by 361 in which he did get into more detail.

427 was followed up by 435 in which he ended up voting them.

432 was later followed up by an unvote which rendered his 'I must check that' nullified.

And 676 and 677 were made just today.

Find better reasons.

↑ Mathdino wrote:gg, ika solved D1

↑ Mathdino wrote:guille, please provide last words and a claim. This is

intent to hammer by the deadline.

↑ Mathdino wrote:That entire argument is WIFOM unfortunately. Voided flipped sane cop. The only way to avoid the multiple cops scenario is to impilcitly claim non-sane cop.

He is going with the flow like textbook scum. Also, bulbazak made some case against him which I didn't read. Prohawk specifically mentioned that anybody using balance to find scum, IS scum. Mathdino fits this exact description of scum.

Sonic Boom · Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:07 pm

ok im done

pirate mollie · Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:10 pm

↑ pirate mollie wrote:what exactly do you agree with about the dgb reads if you have her as town?

Metal Sonic · Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:13 pm

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:EddieFenix is still obvscum but I can go with that:

VOTE: guille

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:pirate mollie bleeds town.

↑ DrippingGoofball wrote:Ika is tttttoooootally town.

this 3

ika is a funny one thought i wanna play safe

pirate mollie · Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:16 pm

hhhmmm....

Metal Sonic · Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:26 pm

pirate mollie · Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:46 pm

you are going to have to unpack that for me.

pirate mollie · Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:47 pm

ohhhhh diiiiiinoooo

Mathdino · Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:54 pm

General apathy about the game. Still want to lynch Sonic and ProHawk, basically nothing's changed about my reads since D1.

Want to note how terrible Sonic's reads on Nazarene, istott, guille, and me are. Might as well respond to his read on me:
"not scumhunting", "posts are full of nothing": Yes, you cherry picked a joke post, an intent to hammer post, and 2 posts that I think were good. Congratulations.
"He is going with the flow like textbook scum. Also, bulbazak made some case against him which I didn't read.": Wtf even is this.
"Prohawk specifically mentioned that anybody using balance to find scum, IS scum.": Right, and because he said it and I continued to do it, it must be true. Did you expect I'd just shut up and listen to my top scumread telling me all setup speccers are scum?

Edit: Yeah?

Nazarene · Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:11 pm

↑ Bulbazak wrote:Because this day has just started. There's a lot that still needs to be taken care of.

Hardly. The only acceptable outcome to this day is a SonicBoom lynch; I fail to see why the inevitable should be postponed. The only result is that I had to slog through inane walls (you) and typo-rife rants (ika).

@ika:

Get a hold on yourself. Are you seriously calling guille scum based on setup spec in an unbalanced game?

@Eddie:

Do you mind filling in your inexplicably missing reads?

Do we have enough potential hammer votes on SB? I need to know who needs convincing.

-A

mastin2 · Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:57 pm

HEY.
HEY, EVERYONE!

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:hi

Let's all gather around for story time! About

Metal Sonic

, here. Everyone here knows him by the name MS, but not many know the story behind the creation of the name he is signed under this game,

Sonic Boom

. Well, it just so happens that I do! See, it all goes back to our young Sonic's childhood.

See, MS ate a rather specific diet when he was young. His parents were health nuts, and his body was particularly frail. Obsessed with their alleged healthiness, Sonic, here, ate a lot of legumes. This, unfortunately for him, did not go unnoticed. Good for the heart, not so good for the room, because completely involuntarily, he would let it out in the most smelly, putrid, noisy way possible. The results of this were obvious: he could clear the room, seemingly at the speed of sound, all with a single 'explosion', or "boom" if you will.

Thus, the moniker "Sonic Boom" was born, much to his shame. It wasn't until much later in his life after this had been long-forgotten did he decide to bring up that name again. Whereas it once held trauma to him, he attempted a reclamation of it, because for those not in the know, as far as they were concerned, Sonic Boom was just a generic cool name, exactly as our now-matured Metal Sonic would prefer the name be seen.

(Sonic, get back to your hydra.)

Sonic Boom is at L-2.

Seventh Votecount of D2

(Thirty-Eighth Votecount Overall)

:

Sonic Boom - 4 (Mathdino, EddieFenix, istott, Nazarene)

Mathdino - 3 (Bulbazak, ProHawk, Sonic Boom)

ika - 1 (guille2015)
guille2015 - 1 (DrippingGoofBall)

Not Voting - 2 (ika, pirate mollie)

With

11

alive, it's

6

to lynch.

Day Two's deadline is Monday, December 8th, @ 5:00 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2014-12-08 17:00:00).

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount (none)

Last votecount was page 43, post 1053.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D2

Spoiler: Voting Chronology for D2

<<< Also, istott will be replacing himself with...himself, under a different name. >>>

EddieFenix · Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:09 pm

↑ EddieFenix wrote:Town

Bulba
Me
Our Jailkeeper (name escapes me right now)

Null
ika
DGB

Scum
Sonic

Working on my project for college. Gonna dive back into that cause I've been at it for about 8+ hours now and I need to go back because I keep getting ideas and remembering things. You give me colors my good man XD

1. Nazarene (TierShift+Aegor) (town)
2. Sonic Boom (Metal Sonic+Titus) (scummerz)
3. Bulbazak (town)
4. EddieFenix (town)
5. ProHawk (null)
6. ika (null/scum)
7. Mathdino (null/scum)
8. guille2015 (town. willing to believe the jk claim til someone cc's)
9. pirate mollie (towm)
10. istott (town)
11. DrippingGoofball (null)

And there. Baring there aren't 4 scum in my mental math. Subject to change as I see fit, js.

istott · Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:17 pm

Hey guys, just gotta let y'all know: I'm gonna be abit less active for the next week or so, as I have auditions for uni courses (music theatre auditions) in the next few days, so I have to spend more time on that. I'll try to keep up, but just know that Its not an alignment reason. For the next few days, I won't really be able to do much other than stay up to date, and comment on the especially important stuff. If you want me to do something, tell me.
Also, I'm switching to a new user, to prevent confusion (around how experienced I am.)
The new user is "eyestott".

mastin2 · Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:23 am

<<< Then istott is replaced by eyestott effective immediately. >>>

istott · Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:33 am

Having trouble activating him, though.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:35 am

This Sonic Boom wagon is rubbish.

guille2015 · Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:37 am

↑ Bulbazak wrote:So much wrong with this... 1.) Why would you deny town this information? What happens if you die? That's one less piece of information town has to work with. Also, that means we don't have enough information to accurately read you, especially when there are some of us that are not confident about your alignment. 2.) How can you reaction test a target when you don't tell them you targeted them? That makes no sense. Night activity alone means very little, especially when you have nothing to put it into context. All you should know given your role is that your target couldn't do anything. There's no way to determine if they could in the first place or if they even attempted, and you still can't come up with that information regardless of what you do in the thread. If you are looking to gauge reactions, you should be looking in the thread, and all of this is impossible if you don't say who you targeted. That action is not going to produce reactions. Period. Let's not even get into the fact that the only way you can test reactions is by announcing your target, and that would allow everyone in the thread to gauge reactions, which would lead to better scumhunting. 3.) How in the world would revealing who you targeted harm town? Information is good. It helps town figure things out. Withholding information is what harms town, especially when you're an outed PR that can give us an insight into the big picture.

Well, I am open to changing my mind.

1) I don't plan on withholding my information permanently. I was planing on releasing come the end of the day. I want to hear the opinion on everyone before I release to see if everyone is ok with that.
2) You know my power. Think about my power. Think how would you know if I targeted you.
3) Hypothetically speaking, If you are a town rolecop, and you discover a town watcher. Would you reveal that information?

guille2015 · Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:39 am

↑ Sonic Boom wrote:because he is Guille-ty!

I see what you did there!

guille2015 · Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:45 am

I kinda liked Sonics reads for Prohawk and Math. hmmm.

Metal Sonic · Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:59 am

Just because you are townreading me does not mean that you are town

But it is tempting... Hmm...