Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

[ika]

Happy thanksgiving everyone

[mastin2]

Family's over, so no fancy VC here, yet.

Edit:

Here ya go.

Thanskgiving? What is there to be thankful for in the game of mafia? That you weren't given the gift of ROPE?!?

Sonic Boom is at L-2.

Eighth Votecount of D2

(Thirty-Ninth Votecount Overall)

:

Sonic Boom - 4 (Mathdino, EddieFenix, eyestott, Nazarene)

Mathdino - 3 (Bulbazak, ProHawk, Sonic Boom)

ika - 1 (guille2015)
guille2015 - 1 (DrippingGoofBall)

Not Voting - 2 (ika, pirate mollie)

With

11

alive, it's

6

to lynch.

Day Two's deadline is Monday, December 8th, @ 5:00 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2014-12-08 17:00:00).

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

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Sonic Boom - 4 (Mathdino, EddieFenix,

istott

eyestott, Nazarene)

⁽⁼⁰⁾

Mathdino - 3 (Bulbazak, ProHawk, Sonic Boom)

⁽⁼⁰⁾

ika - 1 (guille2015)

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guille2015 - 1 (DrippingGoofBall)

₍₌₀₎

Not Voting - 2 (ika, pirate mollie)

Last votecount was page 44, post 1090.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D2

Nazarene:

Sonic Boom

Sonic Boom:

guille2015

==>Mathdino

Bulbazak:

Mathdino

EddieFenix:

Sonic Boom

ProHawk:

Mathdino

ika:

MathDino:

Sonic Boom

guille2015:

ika

pirate mollie:

istott

==>Sonic Boom=>>>Unvote

istott/eyestott:

Sonic Boom

DrippingGoofBall:

guille2015

Spoiler: Voting Chronology for D2

On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 05:13p,

Bulbazak

votes

Mathdino

in post 898.
On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 05:21p,

ProHawk

Votes

Mathdino

in post 899.
On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 05:47p,

Sonic Boom

Votes

guille2015

in post 905.
On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 08:20p,

pirate mollie

Votes

istott

in post 921.
On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 10:10p,

Mathdino

Votes

Sonic Boom

in post 934.
On Mon, Nov 11/24/14 @ 11:14p,

pirate mollie

Votes

Sonic Boom

in post 941.
On Tue, Nov 11/25/14 @ 12:27a,

EddieFenix

votes

Sonic Boom

in post 952.
On Tue, Nov 11/25/14 @ 01:07a,

istott

Votes

Sonic Boom

in post 964.
On Tue, Nov 11/25/14 @ 01:14a,

Sonic Boom

Votes

Mathdino

in post 968.
On Tue, Nov 11/25/14 @ 05:45a,

guille2015

votes

ika

in post 999.
On Tue, Nov 11/25/14 @ 12:48p,

pirate mollie

Unvotes

(

Sonic Boom

)

in post 1014.
On Tue, Nov 11/25/14 @ 03:00p,

DrippingGoofBall

Votes

guille2015

in post 1019.
On Tue, Nov 11/25/14 @ 06:19p,

Nazarene

Votes

Sonic Boom

in post 1028.

<<< Though I will not hand out prods during the holiday weekend, I WILL poke and publicly shame those who fall short of the activity standard during this festive time. Don't be like Metal Sonic. You don't want to share his fate. >>>

[eyestott]

Hey there everyone. I'm eyestott, istotts replacement. (Wink wink) Xd

[mastin2]

<<< Shockingly, we've had every person except eyestott not post for over 24 hours.
I wouldn't have the slightest idea why! >>>

(To your credit, everyone's below 3 days, thus, no pokes of shame. However, for those who're over two days, I'm sending a reminder that Thanksgiving Day itself is over, so if they need the weekend off, I'd prefer to know.)

[EddieFenix]

Vote Sanic people. Leggo

[pirate mollie]

Hey there everyone. I'm eyestott, istotts replacement. (Wink wink) Xd

cld you mebbe...do something.

[eyestott]

Hey there everyone. I'm eyestott, istotts replacement. (Wink wink) Xd

cld you mebbe...do something.

Sorry,I am very busy at the moment, I'll contribute as much as I can.

[eyestott]

Also, no one is doing anything at the moment,

[EddieFenix]

Also, no one is doing anything at the moment,

I blame the holiday tbh.

<<< Indeed.
Also, lax prodding rules to compensate for said holiday probably don't do much to foster activity, either, but I'd feel like a real monster for prodding a player over the holiday weekend.

*coughVOIDEDcough*

>>>

[Nazarene]

Catching up tomorrow probz
-Tier

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: nazerene

[DrippingGoofball]

Vote Sanic people. Leggo

I don't take orders from scum.

[Mathdino]

Yo mollie, why the vote?

Yo DGB, what's your current read on Sonic?

[DrippingGoofball]

Yo DGB, what's your current read on Sonic?

Take a guess.

[Mathdino]

Other than the fact that you think Fenix is scum?

Idk, this game's come to a standstill, we could use some discussion.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think he's town.

[Mathdino]

Helpful. :/

[Nazarene]

Catching up tomorrow probz
-Tier

VOTE: nazerene

U DON'T BELIEVE I CATCHUP NOW GET REKT

Based on our collective targets, it looks like this lynch is gonna be between ProHawk, Fenix, and Voided. Would be cool with lynching either of the first 2. Voided as a whole reads town to me at the moment.

Why did voided look town to you?

Naz - I am not really a big meta player, I use it more for gut than anything. That said, off the top of my head I have one scum game and one town game. His town game was super hyper-active and interactive, his scum game was less-so. I don't have a super amount of time or info to delve into manipulation of meta or not, its just what it came across to me as.

So you're saying you only have a vague idea of what both playstyles look like and yet you are pretty sure he is imitating his towngame? How does something come across as meta manipulation in general?

I'm here, just moping around, LOL.

you're getting annoying.
-Tier

[Nazarene]

The bulba-dino fight looks like TvT to me (fitting smiley! TvT! ) so you guys should cut it out.

why?

2. The below is ProHawk's 605:

Spoiler: 605

For my wall, I am going to start back to where things get interesting... around claim time.

Right after the claim -->

Bulb unvotes Sonic.
Nazarine votes Sonic.
Shos unvotes Sonic and calls Nazarine scum for voting Sonic.
DGB unvotes Sonic.
Eddie votes Sonic.
DGB joins the "Voting Sonic is ScumClaiming" clan.
Dino defends Sonic, the "un-cc'd cop".
DGB backs him up.
Dino votes Fenix for voting Sonic.
Guille talks about needing a counter-claim.

So here is what caught my eye (since I didn't explain myself properly the first time apparently). This is a closed game. We don't know what roles are. Speculation abounds, and likelihood/probability/percentages help with trying to figure stuff out. I get that. But when Dino said something about the cop being un-counter-claimed, that drew red flags up for me.

Because:

A) Why would a cop counter-claim even if he were in the game?
B) We don't know if there are multiple cops in the setup, which would also invalidate that insinuation (that another cop claim would be COUNTER to the original claim)
C) This game is listed as unbalanced/bastard/whatever, which would fly in the face of logic when trying to solve the game with claims and counter-claims. Red-Herring roles?

What this looks like to me, especially on a re-read of the whole situation:

Scum getting run up. The go-to-claim to fish for a potentially devastating role is cop. So he claims cop and runs with it. His buddies are trying to help the fishing along by

calling for a counter claim

. OR

In the event that Sonic actually is a Cop:

Scum are also capitalizing on the "lets find other cops and call for counter-claims"

Let it be known that all of

Dino, DGB, and Guille

want a counter claim to Sonic's claim.

I underlined the misreps for you. He came up with a conspiracy theory in which 3 people are asking for a CC, which is simply not true. This is misrepping. Not ONCE did I say that I was calling for a counterclaim today.

do you think prohawk is scum for it?

Blegh I'm going through your ISO and see PbPa yuck
What is your current read on prohawk and why is sonic boom scummier? (with a little explanation please)

[Nazarene]

Prohawk

I still don't see it. He has been scum-hunting early. Albeit in one-liners but he was questioning Dino, Shos behavior, He noticed sho's Jackal thing, post 373.

once he gets into the more than 3 sentence posts is that I feel that he is making wrong decisions. Wanting a counterclaim being a scum tell assumes that all town Remember that this is a close setup, are aware of optimal play, and are actually avoiding to ask for a CC. DGB and Dino niether implicitly or explicitly asked for a CC. I might have unintentionally asked for it in my wording, but it honestly wasn't my intention. My intention is clear in my post.

The concept of CC is actually a good concern. I think Scum would not point it out. Especially since said reasoning would not get any of those mentioned Lynched for that.

Then he goes into defense. Which could come from town or Scum.

I still think that Prohawk is town. Mostly from 373 and the CC thing.

Voided

I see no real scum reads the entirety of the day. He posts lots and comments lots but has no commitment. I am concerned for this: Post 216 says Ika is not town. Then in post 360 he says that I am wrong in thinking that ika is scum.

he started to do a bit of hunting when the pressure came but then reverted back to his previous self.

ika

Motivation behind posts. OK. Reading. Yeah, I see it. Basically a subtle scumhunting keeping to himself his reads and reasons. If that is his town meta, then I can understand it. But consider that this doesn't mean that he is town, but rather that this play is not indicative of him being scum.

unvote ika

More following.

This thing is probably town

I see no real scum reads the entirety of the day. He posts lots and comments lots but has no commitment. I am concerned for this: Post 216 says Ika is not town. Then in post 360 he says that I am wrong in thinking that ika is scum.

not town=/= scum.

Also, re-read my reads again and you'll know I have scum reads: Sonic, you, maybe Fenix, and was-so-at-the-time-but-not-so-much-at-deadline ProHawk.

P-EDIT: You're expecting another wagon to spring up in less than...what, 8 hours? It's possible, but not likely.

Istott, get back on Guille. I honestly don't think we have the time to bring up another wagon that's not already up near being lynched.

jesus christ srsly how this thing still alive?

+1

Let's run someone else up so they can claim watcher or tracker.

Mollie is likely scum, this is the second time she ignored my posts.

idgi, explain

[Nazarene]

Stop rolefishing DGB.

@Mollie: We have 2 on Ika so far. With you, it's 3. ProHawk, Sonic, and Guille will join, making it 6. I think we could get that last vote easily.

Also your "rolefishing" accusations are frivolous. We are one hour from deadline.

And you want to force a claim. I don't think I'm far off if a claim is your primary concern.

This line of reasoning is dumb. You should want a claim from the biggest wagon when you're close to deadline.

There is no way this playlist is as dumb as we are playing.

?

No, I'm saying that Dino-scum pushed a player for an easy non-reason and that his "case" contained absolutely zero analysis. All it did was look convincing, but upon closer inspection, there was no substance. At no point have I suggested that such a move is incompetent. In fact, it'd be the opposite. You're the one who's saying that Dino is not skilled enough to fake a case.

This Head

is suggesting that it is indicative of incompetence. This Head has not reached this conclusion by asserting that Dino is not skilled enough to make a case. This Head has used Dino's ISO as justification for that assertion. You are confusing the chain of reasoning.

This discussion will not be productive; we should stop.

I do not even know what you guys are talking about. :/

[Nazarene]

Mastina you didn't put a sane modifier into my role pm???!! What is the meaning of this??!!

Just kidding I know the exact meaning of this

Copped mollie and got a guilty, so I'm very very likely not sane

I hate this. I can't believe scum is stupid enough to do this.

Has anybody heard of a scum jailkeeper? I have!

VOTE: guille

is there anything to your reads this game or are you just gonna coast on your cop claim?

VOTE: istott

?

Vote Sonic Boom

Scum.

Is this all you're gonna say this day?

[Nazarene]

That doesn't answer my question, ika. Why aren't you votng your scumreads?

scums
guile - mostly off pretacetor atm, but im surpirsed guile has yet to say who he targeted with JKing.

Okay I googled pretacetor and literally the only results I got were your posts on MS :/ what do you mean?

hawk - he kinda stated his reason already why others think hes scum. and while i agree, i got this odd feeling that i cant shake, hes more of a gut call

Come on, go further...

titus slot - this one is more biassed if anything mostly b/c i scum read titus every time but she has not been on skype or anywhere else, plus a policy on titus slots are always good

Titus ain't even playing.

-Tier

i told you i want shny hammer. i will get to it when i feel like it. something is pining me and i want to see how it unfolds.

its guts, what more do you want? give me something to work.

I want you to tell me exactly what about prohawk you find scummy. What posts trigger a gutscum reaction?

you really think im trying to avoid it?

you seriously think that?

seriously?

here let me answer you then on the verybegining:

Let's start with how lazy they are, how you repeatedly try to stay hands off while lamenting that you can't engage with anyone (or dowright refusing to engage)

tbh nobody has engadde me in the manner that works with me. most o the day was circular arguments about thing that dont intrest me. you should know that i like to look at obsure angles of things and the oddities, yesterday i did reach out to you but you seems to have disregarded it, if you like i can even quote myself where i did but you seemed to ahve not done so

approach me with a theory of something. not some attack. i just reply in kind.

---

that you have no real townreads on anyone (and your actual townreads can be PL'd at a moment's notice),

everyone is PL material, no matter what. you go a problem with it, thats all on your falut

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and how your Sonic Boom read is BS, since it revolves around how you always scumread Titus, even though Titus hasn't been posting in this game.

she has a few though but as of late been afk. you seem to be missing the fact also i do keep tabs on her via her sister. if i needed to get tius for some cirtical emargency i can contact her sister.

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It all seems rather contrived to me.

you want to know why? i will give you a hint: maybe its b/c i see a lot more then you think.

maybe its bc eddie is soft CC sonic right now
maybe its bc prohawk could be some PR that i dont want to be outing for the world to knwo
maybe its bc the more someon says "i want to die" the less likely its gonna happen
maybe its b/c im running a shitty ass fucking slayers gambit.

i work on a diffrent plane where i need someone to give me an idea, a conspericy theroy almost. thats how i work.

ika seems genuine
But the PR fishing is awful, stop it.

[Nazarene]

Eddie, give me a reads list while you're here.

Town

Bulba
Me
Our Jailkeeper (name escapes me right now)

Null
ika
DGB

Scum
Sonic

Working on my project for college. Gonna dive back into that cause I've been at it for about 8+ hours now and I need to go back because I keep getting ideas and remembering things. You give me colors my good man XD

ok, so...
Eddie isn't doing shit and hops on the most likely lynch
bulb asks for a readslist
eddie immediately gives a naked readslist.
yeah....

eddie what is wrong with u

Literally half the players are missing from his "reads" list.

What's wrong with Eddie is that he got a scum role PM.

This player gets figured out by day 3

What do you mean? Why don't you want to figure her out now?

Nazarene - He would be in my townreads, but he is voting me currently. Why would he vote an obvtown claimed cop?

lol

This Sonic Boom wagon is rubbish.

why?

[Nazarene]

talking to aegor now

I want eddiefenix lynch I think and I'm not too certain about metal sonic anymore.
-Tier