↑ Marquis wrote:↑ Shiny Hydreigon wrote:marquis
"do u think when we post on mafiascum, people think we're both u" haha! right
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↑ Doubleslap wrote:and i'd be kinda ok? maybe? with a mastin lynch but i'd still prefer to lynch a simultaneous scumread + if town maybe it's ok because bad read on me. mastin is more just "i'd think she has bad reads as of late but she's townreading me so hmmm"
seo and i both lolwtfed at the rage posting and its discussion/argument over legitimacy tho
Not quite. Policy implies it's something I'd do regardless. That's not true. I'm not sure what I'd call it. "Best idea, shot in the dark" doesn't exactly have a ring to it even though I think that's the most accurate description. I'm not sure if he's town or scum. I'm not sure if lynching him is good or bad. If he is town, then I don't want to lynch him. But he could be scum, and that chance is keeping me from unvoting him. I think that there's good info to be gained from his lynch either way, but obviously if he's town that's not as good as lynching scum. I'm on him because I'm on him, not because I feel obligated to be on him, which policy implies.
Nice deflection about my point of your thought process not being town. You're still doing it. "I don't know how you managed to time it" is assuming we're scum and doing an action through some mystical reason. Rather than, as town, thinking, "managing this is something I don't know how it'd be possible, so maybe I'm wrong". (Oh, and by the way, I can answer that. A possible explanation would be daytalk. But assuming you're scum, I don't think you have it because if you did have it, then you'd think of daytalk as a possible method it'd be possible.)↑ Bulbazak wrote:Except that you have refused to shed light on when this change of read happened, despite being asked about it. And while I can't figure out how you and TW timed it, I have been noticing both of you aligning yourselves in such a way as to take advantage of a Pasch scum flip, followed by Pasch's reasoning taking a nose dive.↑ mastin2 wrote:This is why you're scum, by the way. You're fitting the narrative to the read, rather than the read to the narrative. The reason I shifted towards Pasch being scum in spite of not scumreading him originally is because my read on him changed from town to scum. See, as town, the thought goes, "Okay, but how come she shifted to scumreading Pasch? I can't see the scum motive in it. Maybe that means she's town and I'm wrong."The only thing I don't get is how you both orchestrated your sudden shifts toward Pasch-scum, since neither of you were scumreading him beforehand.
That might be the thing I saw in there. But I'm telling you, I saw↑ Shiny Hydreigon wrote:I have no clue what's happening. Pasche is making no attempt to post seriously and stop the wagon on him.
I know, it's weird, right? Wish I could better vocalize my thoughts. Like, I'm sort-of moving to an unvote, maybe, but I'm not sure? It's really hard to explain.Mastin defends and tries to lynch him at the same time.
My point exactly.
Have you considered that, maybe, he's doing the exact thing he's accusing me of having done? That is, sacrificing Pasch in an attempt to paint us as mislynches? (Hey, I do it as scum all the time. My favorite scum tactic, in fact, is to reveal what I'm doing, but to project it onto someone else.)↑ Total Wreck wrote:I will say, however, that Bulb's senseless tirade feels town. Expending such effort to link us together wouldn't benefit scum at all unless the first one lynched was a bus, and that would be a ridiculous amount to sacrifice for little old me.
(By the way. I figured out a way to describe the difference between my fakerage and real rage. In L4D, my fakerage if you took away the caps the tone of the sentence would remain exactly the same because I wasn't actually upset. In, say, Tales, if you take away the caps, the tone of my sentencesvastlychanges and takes on a whole different tone, because the rage was very much real. The same's true for here.)
Same as my walling habit, by the way. I'm verbose; I try to keep that under wraps as much as I can.
And when I say scuMastin has an answer for everything, that's more or less what I'm talking about. I wouldn't skip anything as scum, because doing so would draw suspicion, because the player would go, "HEY. MASTIN. ANSWER THIS." Best just to answer it immediately rather than put it off. As town, I feel no such obligation to answer. I answer things on a whim, rather than a compulsion.
Well, the person I↑ Paschendale wrote:Mastin, I'm not sure what you expect of me. I've been pointing out shady and duplicitous play, I've been consistent and honest in my reads, I've been calling out the people who are keeping quiet, and I've been pointing out flaws in other people's arguments.
You even seem to agree that the only decent reason to lynch me at this point is that I've been talked about a lot. You understand that there was never anything on me besides some loud OMGUS, and you're basically just accepting me as a mislynch, in the hopes that you can find the scum on my wagon. Suppose it's town-lead and just the result of incredible stupidity? Where does that get you?
Vote for an actual scumread with good reasons to suspect them. Don't compromise in the hopes of finding some clue that might not even be there to find.
I'm just gonna assume they're town and hope they're nightkilled before they deathtunnel me.↑ Shiny Hydreigon wrote:is that pie + gif? if so, thats awesome
Hey, Wis, just curious, is Mara still playing? Haven't seen her in a while.
^That. Doubleslap is town.↑ Shiny Hydreigon wrote:thats quite obviously not scumposting
And no matter how much you may think it, the hard fact of the matter is, you won't lynch me, either.↑ Shiny Hydreigon wrote:marquis get on mastin, we're not lynching tw
It's really not weird for me; it's natural. You might be surprised at my speed and fluency, but it's just natural; there's nothing weird about it. Not sure how I can better state that.↑ KittyCupCake wrote:What? -Now, you've lost me. You're arguing that it's not weird, and you support that assertion with claims of surprisingly fast typing speed and bbcode fluency. I mean, don't "weird" and "surprising" basically go hand in hand? -Like, why would I be surprised bytotally normalspeed and fluency?
Fail to see how not. You might just lack the proper reference. If you read my iso in L4D, it's really, REALLY obviously fakerage. A blind man could see it.2) I'm actually not seeing a dramatic change in tone when reading it without the caps.
True enough. It's a bad habit of mine, but I do like to talk about myself. Get me on the subject, and I just. don't. stop. talking. (You should see the GTKAS in my sig--it's the ":P" link. BAM.)Except when you are discussing your own meta, apparently.Same as my walling habit, by the way. I'm verbose; I try to keep that under wraps as much as I can.
Easy. Bulb, Pine, N_M, Pasch, Aronis, and you. I'd be taking a gambit on farside and DOMO, but at this stage, it's one that I'd be willing to take.A) You are given an ability that forces you to kill exactly 6 players, right now. If you kill all of the scum, you win. If any scum survive, you lose. Who do you target?
That would be Bulbazak.B) You are given an ability that forces you to kill 1 player, right now. If you kill a scum, you also die. Who do you target, and why?
Pine (S->T) and Aronis (T->S).C) You are given an ability that forces you to switch two players alignments, right now. If they have the same alignment, you die and lose the game. Who do you target?
Someone not likely to be nightkilled or scum, yet who I trust to use the shot responsibly. So at this point, that'd probably be Total Wreck.D) You are given an ability that let's you turn another player into a cop, who do you target?
I'll use vigs as a mod, but as a player I despise them. Same for RBs. Protections are useful for ensuring I die early, but my answer would be tracker, for the investigative power it'd give me.E) You can choose to gain one of the following abilities: track, protect, roleblock, 1-shot vig. Which do you select?
Weird for you, and weird in general aren't necessarily the same thing.
It's more like I'd want Pine to be town so I didn't have to lynch him, and of all the players in the game, Aronis is the most I'd want to lynch in general but if he's town I wouldn't want to. It'd be a bit of a personal bias obviously, yes, but a gut feeling tells me that at the very least, they're not on a scumteam together. The risk would therefore be in them both being town, but that's a gambit that I'd be willing to make at not being true.↑ KittyCupCake wrote:You'd be confident enough that Aronis is scum to put him in your pick-6 kill, but confident enough that he is town to choose him for the alignment switch?
↑ Total Wreck wrote:
You are making excuses for not forming reads you can be held accountable for, and swinging at low hanging fruit.
↑ Doubleslap wrote:i never scumread bulba? wat lol
↑ Total Wreck wrote:
It quite obviously is.
Lynching "null reads" = pro scum
And who would admit to wanting to lynch town? Of course scum is going to make a show of defending their "town reads".
↑ mastin2 wrote:Nice deflection about my point of your thought process not being town. You're still doing it. "I don't know how you managed to time it" is assuming we're scum and doing an action through some mystical reason. Rather than, as town, thinking, "managing this is something I don't know how it'd be possible, so maybe I'm wrong". (Oh, and by the way, I can answer that. A possible explanation would be daytalk. But assuming you're scum, I don't think you have it because if you did have it, then you'd think of daytalk as a possible method it'd be possible.)↑ Bulbazak wrote:Except that you have refused to shed light on when this change of read happened, despite being asked about it. And while I can't figure out how you and TW timed it, I have been noticing both of you aligning yourselves in such a way as to take advantage of a Pasch scum flip, followed by Pasch's reasoning taking a nose dive.↑ mastin2 wrote:This is why you're scum, by the way. You're fitting the narrative to the read, rather than the read to the narrative. The reason I shifted towards Pasch being scum in spite of not scumreading him originally is because my read on him changed from town to scum. See, as town, the thought goes, "Okay, but how come she shifted to scumreading Pasch? I can't see the scum motive in it. Maybe that means she's town and I'm wrong."The only thing I don't get is how you both orchestrated your sudden shifts toward Pasch-scum, since neither of you were scumreading him beforehand.
↑ mastin2 wrote:
Buuuuuuut, just for the heck of it, I'll go down that tangent anyway. The reason I haven't shed light on why the read changed is because simply put, I don't remember why. It just did. It happened. I don't know why. Even at the time, I'm not sure I'd have been able to have given a reason if asked, yet alone, well after the fact. My read changed. It changed so long ago as far as I'm concerned that I have no clue when it changed. It just did.
↑ mastin2 wrote:
Have you considered that, maybe, he's doing the exact thing he's accusing me of having done? That is, sacrificing Pasch in an attempt to paint us as mislynches? (Hey, I do it as scum all the time. My favorite scum tactic, in fact, is to reveal what I'm doing, but to project it onto someone else.)↑ Total Wreck wrote:I will say, however, that Bulb's senseless tirade feels town. Expending such effort to link us together wouldn't benefit scum at all unless the first one lynched was a bus, and that would be a ridiculous amount to sacrifice for little old me.
↑ Ms Marangal wrote:LEAVE ME ALONE MASTIN, I'M WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES