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Post Post #1325 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:11 am

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Marquis wrote:
Shiny Hydreigon wrote:marquis


"do u think when we post on mafiascum, people think we're both u" haha! right

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Post Post #1326 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:12 am

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i dont know the other head so im just gonna call you both marquis

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Post Post #1327 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:14 am

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and i'd be kinda ok? maybe? with a mastin lynch but i'd still prefer to lynch a simultaneous scumread + if town maybe it's ok because bad read on me. mastin is more just "i'd think she has bad reads as of late but she's townreading me so hmmm"
seo and i both lolwtfed at the rage posting and its discussion/argument over legitimacy tho

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Post Post #1328 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:15 am

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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:thats quite obviously not scumposting

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It quite obviously is.

Lynching "null reads" = pro scum

And who would admit to wanting to lynch town? Of course scum is going to make a show of defending their "town reads".
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Post Post #1329 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:17 am

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if you're really town maybe you should start thinking instead of glancing

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Post Post #1330 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:22 am

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i'm just spouting truths ppl usually don't want to hear
i want to get out of day 1 bc right now as of reading the rageposting fiasco i think it's reached a low that's hard to get out of without a lynch happening rly soon
and i'm not sure of my very few scumreads
while i have multiple townishreads (atm including maybe!mastin)
so therefore i'm willing to gamble on a well-supported nullread wagon to lynch

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Post Post #1331 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:23 am

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Doubleslap wrote:and i'd be kinda ok? maybe? with a mastin lynch but i'd still prefer to lynch a simultaneous scumread + if town maybe it's ok because bad read on me. mastin is more just "i'd think she has bad reads as of late but she's townreading me so hmmm"
seo and i both lolwtfed at the rage posting and its discussion/argument over legitimacy tho


Considering you think I'm scum, you can understand why I don't lend your reads much weight.

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Post Post #1332 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:11 pm

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House wrote:TL;DR> Pasch is now a policy lynch.
That about right?
Not quite. Policy implies it's something I'd do regardless. That's not true. I'm not sure what I'd call it. "Best idea, shot in the dark" doesn't exactly have a ring to it even though I think that's the most accurate description. I'm not sure if he's town or scum. I'm not sure if lynching him is good or bad. If he is town, then I don't want to lynch him. But he could be scum, and that chance is keeping me from unvoting him. I think that there's good info to be gained from his lynch either way, but obviously if he's town that's not as good as lynching scum. I'm on him because I'm on him, not because I feel obligated to be on him, which policy implies.
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Post Post #1333 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:18 pm

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Bulbazak wrote:
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The only thing I don't get is how you both orchestrated your sudden shifts toward Pasch-scum, since neither of you were scumreading him beforehand.
This is why you're scum, by the way. You're fitting the narrative to the read, rather than the read to the narrative. The reason I shifted towards Pasch being scum in spite of not scumreading him originally is because my read on him changed from town to scum. See, as town, the thought goes, "Okay, but how come she shifted to scumreading Pasch? I can't see the scum motive in it. Maybe that means she's town and I'm wrong."
Except that you have refused to shed light on when this change of read happened, despite being asked about it. And while I can't figure out how you and TW timed it, I have been noticing both of you aligning yourselves in such a way as to take advantage of a Pasch scum flip, followed by Pasch's reasoning taking a nose dive.
Nice deflection about my point of your thought process not being town. You're still doing it. "I don't know how you managed to time it" is assuming we're scum and doing an action through some mystical reason. Rather than, as town, thinking, "managing this is something I don't know how it'd be possible, so maybe I'm wrong". (Oh, and by the way, I can answer that. A possible explanation would be daytalk. But assuming you're scum, I don't think you have it because if you did have it, then you'd think of daytalk as a possible method it'd be possible.)

Buuuuuuut, just for the heck of it, I'll go down that tangent anyway. The reason I haven't shed light on why the read changed is because simply put, I don't remember why. It just did. It happened. I don't know why. Even at the time, I'm not sure I'd have been able to have given a reason if asked, yet alone, well after the fact. My read changed. It changed so long ago as far as I'm concerned that I have no clue when it changed. It just did.
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Post Post #1334 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:26 pm

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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:I have no clue what's happening. Pasche is making no attempt to post seriously and stop the wagon on him.
That might be the thing I saw in there. But I'm telling you, I saw
something
in there that looked really, really town even though I have no clue what.
Mastin defends and tries to lynch him at the same time.
I know, it's weird, right? Wish I could better vocalize my thoughts. Like, I'm sort-of moving to an unvote, maybe, but I'm not sure? It's really hard to explain.

House wrote:mastin and I worked out this elaborate plan right under your nose that you can't find, but we are just so obvious as scum mates.
That's the line you are going with? Really?
My point exactly.

Total Wreck wrote:I will say, however, that Bulb's senseless tirade feels town. Expending such effort to link us together wouldn't benefit scum at all unless the first one lynched was a bus, and that would be a ridiculous amount to sacrifice for little old me.
Have you considered that, maybe, he's doing the exact thing he's accusing me of having done? That is, sacrificing Pasch in an attempt to paint us as mislynches? (Hey, I do it as scum all the time. My favorite scum tactic, in fact, is to reveal what I'm doing, but to project it onto someone else.)
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Post Post #1335 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:29 pm

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mastin2 wrote:
you pausing to add italics is still, at best, very weird.
It's really not?

mastin2 wrote:You'd be surprised how fast my typing speed is (I think it's somewhere between 60-80 words per minute), and how fluently I can do bbcode.

What? -Now, you've lost me. You're arguing that it's not weird, and you support that assertion with claims of surprisingly fast typing speed and bbcode fluency. I mean, don't "weird" and "surprising" basically go hand in hand? -Like, why would I be surprised by
totally normal
speed and fluency?

(By the way. I figured out a way to describe the difference between my fakerage and real rage. In L4D, my fakerage if you took away the caps the tone of the sentence would remain exactly the same because I wasn't actually upset. In, say, Tales, if you take away the caps, the tone of my sentences
vastly
changes and takes on a whole different tone, because the rage was very much real. The same's true for here.)

1) If you are aware of that difference, you could have mimicked the town version here, so it's worthless.
2) I'm actually not seeing a dramatic change in tone when reading it without the caps.

Same as my walling habit, by the way. I'm verbose; I try to keep that under wraps as much as I can.

Except when you are discussing your own meta, apparently.

And when I say scuMastin has an answer for everything, that's more or less what I'm talking about. I wouldn't skip anything as scum, because doing so would draw suspicion, because the player would go, "HEY. MASTIN. ANSWER THIS." Best just to answer it immediately rather than put it off. As town, I feel no such obligation to answer. I answer things on a whim, rather than a compulsion.

1) If you are aware of that difference, you could have mimicked the town version here, so it's worthless.
2) Isn't this all just you
having
answer for this?

Okay, let's try this, mastin: I have some hypothetical questions for you.

A) You are given an ability that forces you to kill exactly 6 players, right now. If you kill all of the scum, you win. If any scum survive, you lose. Who do you target?
B) You are given an ability that forces you to kill 1 player, right now. If you kill a scum, you also die. Who do you target, and why?
C) You are given an ability that forces you to switch two players alignments, right now. If they have the same alignment, you die and lose the game. Who do you target?
D) You are given an ability that let's you turn another player into a cop, who do you target?
E) You can choose to gain one of the following abilities: track, protect, roleblock, 1-shot vig. Which do you select?
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Post Post #1336 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:31 pm

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By the way, if Pasch is town like I'm beginning to suspect,
Unvote
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Then I had a paranoia-twinge that Kitty
might
be scum, but for the time being, assume it's just that, paranoia. I need to look into whatever it was that pinged me about her, but said read there is obviously weaker than before.

Also, just bluntly saying, you're not going to lynch me today. You might think that you will, but you won't.
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Post Post #1337 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:39 pm

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Paschendale wrote:Mastin, I'm not sure what you expect of me. I've been pointing out shady and duplicitous play, I've been consistent and honest in my reads, I've been calling out the people who are keeping quiet, and I've been pointing out flaws in other people's arguments.
You even seem to agree that the only decent reason to lynch me at this point is that I've been talked about a lot. You understand that there was never anything on me besides some loud OMGUS, and you're basically just accepting me as a mislynch, in the hopes that you can find the scum on my wagon. Suppose it's town-lead and just the result of incredible stupidity? Where does that get you?
Vote for an actual scumread with good reasons to suspect them. Don't compromise in the hopes of finding some clue that might not even be there to find.
Well, the person I
want
to lynch is Bulbazak, who, frankly, if town would know why I'm town by now.
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I'd lynch Pine in a heartbeat, too, since he's almost just as likely to be scum.

Not_Mafia, I'm actually not as sure about. He's my de facto third scumread right now, so I suppose I'd lynch him, but I've had those annoying second-thoughts about the idea, especially given paranoia that I need to investigate.

TW and Shiny and Marquis remain strongly town, and I think DOMO's stronger town and I believe farside is as well, too, but I need to have another stab at a Kitty read. (Not tonight, though. Family's gonna be over.) Then, there's Aronis who I THINK is town but I'm second-guessing myself a
little
bit there as well.

Then there's you. Back up to null. Eckleberg's slot I'm just basically assuming is town even though there's literally nothing to make me thing that, it's just that given player dynamics that's the conclusion I've reached in spite of the lack of evidence supporting that. I might be missing a player or two, but you get the idea.
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Post Post #1338 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:44 pm

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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:is that pie + gif? if so, thats awesome
I'm just gonna assume they're town and hope they're nightkilled before they deathtunnel me. :P

Shiny Hydreigon wrote:VOTE: mastin
whatever ill end up there anyway
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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:thats quite obviously not scumposting
^That. Doubleslap is town.
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Post Post #1339 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:46 pm

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Shiny Hydreigon wrote:marquis get on mastin, we're not lynching tw
And no matter how much you may think it, the hard fact of the matter is, you won't lynch me, either.

I have every reason to know I'll be nightkilled this game, Wis.
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Post Post #1340 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:00 pm

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KittyCupCake wrote:What? -Now, you've lost me. You're arguing that it's not weird, and you support that assertion with claims of surprisingly fast typing speed and bbcode fluency. I mean, don't "weird" and "surprising" basically go hand in hand? -Like, why would I be surprised by
totally normal
speed and fluency?
It's really not weird for me; it's natural. You might be surprised at my speed and fluency, but it's just natural; there's nothing weird about it. Not sure how I can better state that.
2) I'm actually not seeing a dramatic change in tone when reading it without the caps.
Fail to see how not. You might just lack the proper reference. If you read my iso in L4D, it's really, REALLY obviously fakerage. A blind man could see it.

Same as my walling habit, by the way. I'm verbose; I try to keep that under wraps as much as I can.
Except when you are discussing your own meta, apparently.
True enough. :P It's a bad habit of mine, but I do like to talk about myself. Get me on the subject, and I just. don't. stop. talking. (You should see the GTKAS in my sig--it's the ":P" link. BAM.)

A) You are given an ability that forces you to kill exactly 6 players, right now. If you kill all of the scum, you win. If any scum survive, you lose. Who do you target?
Easy. Bulb, Pine, N_M, Pasch, Aronis, and you. I'd be taking a gambit on farside and DOMO, but at this stage, it's one that I'd be willing to take.
B) You are given an ability that forces you to kill 1 player, right now. If you kill a scum, you also die. Who do you target, and why?
That would be Bulbazak.
C) You are given an ability that forces you to switch two players alignments, right now. If they have the same alignment, you die and lose the game. Who do you target?
Pine (S->T) and Aronis (T->S).
D) You are given an ability that let's you turn another player into a cop, who do you target?
Someone not likely to be nightkilled or scum, yet who I trust to use the shot responsibly. So at this point, that'd probably be Total Wreck.
E) You can choose to gain one of the following abilities: track, protect, roleblock, 1-shot vig. Which do you select?
I'll use vigs as a mod, but as a player I despise them. Same for RBs. Protections are useful for ensuring I die early, but my answer would be tracker, for the investigative power it'd give me.
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Post Post #1341 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:06 pm

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Shiny Hydreigon
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DoubleSlap

Eckleberg/newperson
farside22
DOMO

KittyCupcake
Aronis

Paschendale

Romitelli/Not_Mafia

Pine
Bulbazak

Rough approximation.
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Post Post #1342 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:09 pm

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mastin2 wrote:It's really not weird for me; it's natural.
Weird for you, and weird in general aren't necessarily the same thing.

mastin2 wrote:
A) You are given an ability that forces you to kill exactly 6 players, right now. If you kill all of the scum, you win. If any scum survive, you lose. Who do you target?
Easy. Bulb, Pine, N_M, Pasch, Aronis, and you.

mastin2 wrote:
C) You are given an ability that forces you to switch two players alignments, right now. If they have the same alignment, you die and lose the game. Who do you target?
Pine (S->T) and Aronis (T->S).

You'd be confident enough that Aronis is scum to put him in your pick-6 kill, but confident enough that he is town to choose him for the alignment switch?

Explain these further for me.
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Post Post #1343 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:23 pm

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KittyCupCake wrote:You'd be confident enough that Aronis is scum to put him in your pick-6 kill, but confident enough that he is town to choose him for the alignment switch?
It's more like I'd want Pine to be town so I didn't have to lynch him, and of all the players in the game, Aronis is the most I'd want to lynch in general but if he's town I wouldn't want to. It'd be a bit of a personal bias obviously, yes, but a gut feeling tells me that at the very least, they're not on a scumteam together. The risk would therefore be in them both being town, but that's a gambit that I'd be willing to make at not being true.
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Post Post #1344 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:38 pm

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mastin2 wrote:a gut feeling tells me that at the very least, they're not on a scumteam together.

Of your top 6 scum candidates (Bulb, Pine, N_M, Pasch, Aronis, and me), is there anyone else you feel isn't likely scum with pine? How about who isn't likely scum with bulb?
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Post Post #1345 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:22 pm

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Total Wreck wrote:
You are making excuses for not forming reads you can be held accountable for, and swinging at low hanging fruit.


I don't think either you or Mastin is low hanging fruit. Why do you?

Doubleslap wrote:i never scumread bulba? wat lol


The "Bulba is scum" sure had me fooled.

DOMO wrote:
Shiny Hydreigon wrote:thats quite obviously not scumposting

R~


So it's quite obviously townposting?


It's Marquis, so probably.

Total Wreck wrote:
Shiny Hydreigon wrote:thats quite obviously not scumposting

R~


It quite obviously is.

Lynching "null reads" = pro scum

And who would admit to wanting to lynch town? Of course scum is going to make a show of defending their "town reads".


This is scum reasoning.

mastin2 wrote:
Bulbazak wrote:
mastin2 wrote:
The only thing I don't get is how you both orchestrated your sudden shifts toward Pasch-scum, since neither of you were scumreading him beforehand.
This is why you're scum, by the way. You're fitting the narrative to the read, rather than the read to the narrative. The reason I shifted towards Pasch being scum in spite of not scumreading him originally is because my read on him changed from town to scum. See, as town, the thought goes, "Okay, but how come she shifted to scumreading Pasch? I can't see the scum motive in it. Maybe that means she's town and I'm wrong."
Except that you have refused to shed light on when this change of read happened, despite being asked about it. And while I can't figure out how you and TW timed it, I have been noticing both of you aligning yourselves in such a way as to take advantage of a Pasch scum flip, followed by Pasch's reasoning taking a nose dive.
Nice deflection about my point of your thought process not being town. You're still doing it. "I don't know how you managed to time it" is assuming we're scum and doing an action through some mystical reason. Rather than, as town, thinking, "managing this is something I don't know how it'd be possible, so maybe I'm wrong". (Oh, and by the way, I can answer that. A possible explanation would be daytalk. But assuming you're scum, I don't think you have it because if you did have it, then you'd think of daytalk as a possible method it'd be possible.)


It did occur to me, as I've been seeing more and more games adopt daytalk. However, there was also that strange interaction between TW and Pasch, so I'm just going to go with what I saw and sort it out later.

mastin2 wrote:
Buuuuuuut, just for the heck of it, I'll go down that tangent anyway. The reason I haven't shed light on why the read changed is because simply put, I don't remember why. It just did. It happened. I don't know why. Even at the time, I'm not sure I'd have been able to have given a reason if asked, yet alone, well after the fact. My read changed. It changed so long ago as far as I'm concerned that I have no clue when it changed. It just did.


Okay. Now explain your early TW townread.

mastin2 wrote:
Total Wreck wrote:I will say, however, that Bulb's senseless tirade feels town. Expending such effort to link us together wouldn't benefit scum at all unless the first one lynched was a bus, and that would be a ridiculous amount to sacrifice for little old me.
Have you considered that, maybe, he's doing the exact thing he's accusing me of having done? That is, sacrificing Pasch in an attempt to paint us as mislynches? (Hey, I do it as scum all the time. My favorite scum tactic, in fact, is to reveal what I'm doing, but to project it onto someone else.)


It's flattering to hear that you think I might be at the skill level to manipulate people into believing a singular narrative, especially since I'm just getting back to playing the game after a several month break caused by massive burnout. If a breather is all it takes to go from sub-Mastin scum to being on par with Mastin-scum, players should take a break more often.

Unvote

Vote Total Wreck


As off as they are, I'm actually liking the more recent Mastin posts. TW is still scum. Don't know about Pasch since that read is too tangled up in all that junk. I'm not sure what I should be looking for anymore.
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Post Post #1346 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:46 pm

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LEAVE ME ALONE MASTIN, I'M WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES
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Post Post #1347 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:48 pm

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Ms Marangal wrote:LEAVE ME ALONE MASTIN, I'M WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES

heh

I'm reading along, mostly but life takes prescendence
Hydreigon, the Brutal Pokemon.
They are scary.
They consume and destroy everything.
If you so much as move, you are a foe.
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Post Post #1348 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:03 pm

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oh, fuck this

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Post Post #1349 (ISO) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:04 pm

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or, actually, can we lynch pine? he's the only real one we agree on
Hydreigon, the Brutal Pokemon.
They are scary.
They consume and destroy everything.
If you so much as move, you are a foe.
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