Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

[Mathdino]

Yo mod, do gunsmiths have guns?

<<< This question was important enough to warrant a separate post to respond, thus, I have answered in post 1341. >>>

[Nazarene]

You've asked the mod if millers show up guilty?

[Mathdino]

All types of millers show up innocent. I checked and only mafia (except Godfather) and vig has guns. I interpret that to mean any killing role with a gun (so not SK/werewolf).

I neglected to check to see how gunsmiths show up.

[Nazarene]

Well, I'm not a gunsmith, so.

[Mathdino]

For those of you watching at home, this is why I said at the end of D1 that I didn't believe there was multiple cops right before I was getting ready to lynch Voided. This is why I spent most of D2 trying to lynch Sonic.

Also I feel my role balances out the cop and the tons of millers quite nicely.

Edit: ...then you're scum.

[Mathdino]

Nazarene, are you capable of killing?

[Nazarene]

I don't understand this. I don't get the feeling you're scum despite the fact that you're claiming to have a gunsmith guilty on me.

[Mathdino]

I sent in the following list to the mod the moment I got my PM:

1. Cop
2. Doc
3. Vig
4. Jailkeeper
5. Tracker
6. Watcher
7. Mafia Goon
8. Mafia Godfather
9. Serial Killer
10. Any type of werewolf
11. Any type of alien
12. Dayvig
13. Cult Leader
14. Vanilla Cultist
15. Miller
16. 1-Shot Miller
17. 1-Shot Miller that a cop has investigated
18. Mason
19. Bodyguard
20. Mafia Ninja
21. Survivor
22. Role Cop
23. Traitor
24. Vengeful Townie
25. Roleblocker
26. Thief
27. Inventor
28. Anyone with an X-Shot Cop
29. Anyone with an X-Shot Vig

Of these, all types of vig and all types of mafia except for godfather show up as scum. Everything else, no. Mastin also said it's possible that someone without a gun could show as having a gun but I assume can't explain further.

[Nazarene]

No, but I do believe I'm insane. Insane people probably don't get guns.

[Nazarene]

Mastin also said it's possible that someone without a gun could show as having a gun but I assume can't explain further.

Wait.

Could you maybe explain further?

[Mathdino]

No, because I have no idea wtf she was talking about. A gun framer or something? Idk.

[Mathdino]

Oh, okay, I reread it and it reads like it was talking about something like godfather, which obviously does have a gun but shows as not having one. So I'm confident the information I was given on the above list is honest.

[Nazarene]

Well, we've seen a mafia lawyer flip. But does that frame for guns?

@mod: do insane investigatives show up as guilty to a gunsmith?
Does the mafia lawyer reverse results for gunsmith as well?

<<< As above, answered in post 1341. >>>

[Mathdino]

Addendum: I did not send that list after getting my role PM, I sent it after Jackel's claim. Memory lapse.

I doubt there's more than one lawyer, but if you can come up with anything else that explains your innocence, feel free.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: MathDino

Thanks for making my job easy.

Guile, who did you keep? via PoE, this can make things much easier.

vote Nazarene

I agree I think guille is scum too.

VOTE: nazarene

This is everyone's response to me saying you're scum.

If we ARE both town, which I find unlikely, scum is relishing the fact that they can take us both out in 2 days.

[Nazarene]

I doubt there's more than one lawyer, but if you can come up with anything else that explains your innocence, feel free.

Well, my role PM does. I really can only speculate about what has happened tonight. Biggest chance is that you're scum, but my mind is making me believe you aren't.

What I know is true, is that this town has a shitton of power.

Cop, doctor, gunsmith, our role. And that's not even everything, probably. That is not offset by

just

a mafia framer.

I know that this is called unbalanced mafia, but still.
I think massclaim should help.

[Nazarene]

@1314: you know as well as I do that when I flip town you're going to get your ass lynched, no questions asked.

Problem is I think you are town
But I'm not letting you get away ever with faking a guilty on me as scum

[Nazarene]

However, seeing the votes, prohawk does look shitty.

Prohawk, please claim as soon as possible.

[Mathdino]

If you think I'm town, then there's an explanation somewhere. Like you said, mass rolecall will help. That said, everyone's posted since I called a guilty on you and no one's admitted to any shenanigans that made you look like you had a gun, soooo

New claim order:

1. ProHawk
2. Nazarene
3. Fenix
4. DGB
5. ika
6. mollie

[Nazarene]

I don't think the one shenaniganing would state it. But whatever, fine with the claim order as it is.
I asked you a question about guille earlier.

[Mathdino]

We think that Guille is town. I've heard much 'but he can be scum jailkeeper' but no reasons, really.

Dino, can you explain why he isn't, according to you?
Mollie, same question.

And I'm going to change my previous statement:

if

we're massclaiming, we claim second after prohawk.

P-edit: not doing that.
-Tier

I have reason to believe this game is entirely investigatives and things that fuck up investigatives. So basically a 13 player dethy. As such, his claim doesn't really give him townpoints.

ProHawk and you are likely not scum together and we can test Fenix for scum tonight. If test checks out, guille is scum.

It's more PoE than anything. ika and mollie are insanely town, DGB is slightly less so, leaving guille, ProHawk, and Fenix.

[pirate mollie]

@ nazerene

I wld think that guille wld use his role as a protective rather than a block given the knowledge he had at the time. he wasn't protecting ika, he was BLOCKING ika who is pretty town. smells like scum to me.

[guille2015]

@ nazerene

I wld think that guille wld use his role as a protective rather than a block given the knowledge he had at the time. he wasn't protecting ika, he was BLOCKING ika who is pretty town. smells like scum to me.

Uh, Who would you have protected yesterday if you were a JK, pray tell?

Without knowing who is town. And who in town has a PR that I don't want to block I cannot use my power as a Doc. I would have doctored some of my town reads including Bulba, but I don't want to block them. So, the best choice is to aim for scum and hope that they are performing the kill. I know that EF and Ika did not perform kills N1 and N2 respectively. I know something else but I have to wait until everyone massclaim.

So in short, I was and am using my power as a roleblocker until I get more information so that I can better direct my Help. And yes, Ika, I thought was scum yesterday. His claim today will help me reevaluate that, if it needs reevaluating.

I am in favor of a Massclaim today.

[DrippingGoofball]

I was very disappointed to be vanilla.

Next!

[EddieFenix]

@ nazerene

I wld think that guille wld use his role as a protective rather than a block given the knowledge he had at the time. he wasn't protecting ika, he was BLOCKING ika who is pretty town. smells like scum to me.

Uh, Who would you have protected yesterday if you were a JK, pray tell?

Without knowing who is town. And who in town has a PR that I don't want to block I cannot use my power as a Doc. I would have doctored some of my town reads including Bulba, but I don't want to block them. So, the best choice is to aim for scum and hope that they are performing the kill. I know that EF and Ika did not perform kills N1 and N2 respectively. I know something else but I have to wait until everyone massclaim.

So in short,

I was and am using my power as a roleblocker

until I get more information so that I can better direct my Help. And yes, Ika, I thought was scum yesterday. His claim today will help me reevaluate that, if it needs reevaluating.

I am in favor of a Massclaim today.

Vote Guille

This jail keeper/role blocker claim is shenanigans.