Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

[Mathdino]

dino I think there is a good chance your view is legit. I am not sold on the nazarene/prohawk can't both be scum theory. he acknowledges that you have a guilty on nazarene, acknowledges that you might be town but is voting you over nazarene.

this is what i mean his pushes don't make sense.

also the only 1s who are claiming an investigative role is you so where is this "swath of investigative roles" that you speak of cos only voided has flipped cop and ika is saying that he isn't.

That still doesn't explain the guille/Fenix shenanigans. The only explanation is one of Nazarene/ProHawk is roleblocker and blocked guille repeatedly.

I want Fenix's results.

After I want Nazarene's results of course.

AFTER I WANT PROHAWK'S RESULTS OMFG

HE'S PLAYING LIKE A JESTER

[pirate mollie]

Lemme actually push something that makes sense.

VOTE: Mollie

We can't solve anything except give Scum ammo to shoot people with Dino.

FWIW, Mollie still hasn't explained why she is quasi-IC and instead decides to push me as some cog-dis confused idiot, dumb person.

no, this doesn't make sense.

I said that sonic boom's interaction with me makes me practically IC. like you even quoted the post where i said this.

you are scum hawk boy. plain and simple.

@ dino

okay I am absorbing that you got an inno on bulba who was a miller and a guilty on nazarene. I am kind of thinking this might confirm nazarene as town.

I don't think we need to massclaim I think we can do just fine with the info we have now but I am all for pressure (actually I just want to lynch him) on prohawk cos he is scummy as fuck.

VOTE: prohawk

[Mathdino]

not really, im not investigative but i do know my role impacts investigation

ill leave it at that for now

wld your role allow you to know if you were jked?

and to add to this question, how does your role impact investigation?

This is a shit question, ika's not fullclaiming until everyone else does.

[pirate mollie]

dino I think there is a good chance your view is legit. I am not sold on the nazarene/prohawk can't both be scum theory. he acknowledges that you have a guilty on nazarene, acknowledges that you might be town but is voting you over nazarene.

this is what i mean his pushes don't make sense.

also the only 1s who are claiming an investigative role is you so where is this "swath of investigative roles" that you speak of cos only voided has flipped cop and ika is saying that he isn't.

That still doesn't explain the guille/Fenix shenanigans. The only explanation is one of Nazarene/ProHawk is roleblocker and blocked guille repeatedly.

I want Fenix's results.

After I want Nazarene's results of course.

AFTER I WANT PROHAWK'S RESULTS OMFG

HE'S PLAYING LIKE A JESTER

I just want to lynch him.

[Mathdino]

Lemme actually push something that makes sense.

VOTE: Mollie

We can't solve anything except give Scum ammo to shoot people with Dino.

FWIW, Mollie still hasn't explained why she is quasi-IC and instead decides to push me as some cog-dis confused idiot, dumb person.

no, this doesn't make sense.

I said that sonic boom's interaction with me makes me practically IC. like you even quoted the post where i said this.

you are scum hawk boy. plain and simple.

@ dino

okay I am absorbing that you got an inno on bulba who was a miller and a guilty on nazarene. I am kind of thinking this might confirm nazarene as town.

I don't think we need to massclaim I think we can do just fine with the info we have now but I am all for pressure (actually I just want to lynch him) on prohawk cos he is scummy as fuck.

VOTE: prohawk

No, no, no, I asked mastin D1 whether miller have guns and she said millers do NOT show as having guns. I'm the role that counters all the millers in this game, I'm (AFAIK) the only one who can confirm millers as town.

[EddieFenix]

not really, im not investigative but i do know my role impacts investigation

ill leave it at that for now

wld your role allow you to know if you were jked?

and to add to this question, how does your role impact investigation?

This is a shit question, ika's not fullclaiming until everyone else does.

This actually is relevant. So allow for the PLAYER to answer and don't answer for them.

[Mathdino]

ika is nowhere near a suspect, we don't want town to claim before mafia because it just gives mafia more info.

[Mathdino]

HEY SCUM
I'M GONNA INVESTIGATE A RANDOM PERSON IN THE SUSPECT LIST
LITERALLY ROLLING A DIE
INCLUDES NAZARENE

glhf framer.

[ika]

im just going to

bug

piss off eddie by not answering his question now.

this game needs more entertainment and now that we have people doing stuff im going to have fun with it

[Mathdino]

ika, weren't you the one trying to solve thesp's BM game?

Any thoughts on the gamestate? Any ideas we haven't thought of?

[EddieFenix]

we don't want town to claim before mafia because it just gives mafia more info.

[pirate mollie]

okay so walk me through this dino

you think that it is more likely that there wld be a gun framer in addition to a sane cop framer? we already had a lawyer/tailor flip and we lynched him so he did not get in a night action for n2.

walk me through this plz

[ika]

ika, weren't you the one trying to solve thesp's BM game?

Any thoughts on the gamestate? Any ideas we haven't thought of?

you want me to theorycraft?

until we do the full mass claim, there's not much i can really figure. i can speculate a bunch of ideas for fun but until we get a full mass claim its a lot of speculations.

thesp game was more concrete that it was all VT vs goons and that the mechanic itself was the "twist"

here we just have more or less a role madness game where if we just all fucking roleclaim i can break it by coordinating actions. but SOME people dont want to claim.

if we are in mass claim stage, me speculating imo is pointless until claims are made

if you want to run a "premisis" game where we state random things that could exist i can do that

[Mathdino]

okay so walk me through this dino

you think that it is more likely that there wld be a gun framer in addition to a sane cop framer? we already had a lawyer/tailor flip and we lynched him so he did not get in a night action for n2.

walk me through this plz

There's clearly a ton of town roles, DGB is literally the only claimed VT so far. I mean hell, there's a doc AND a cop in the same game, along with a gunsmith, ika's role, and 2 of
{ProHawk's role, jailkeeper, Nazarene's role, Fenix's role}

Mafia needs pretty much all PRs in order to balance this; either that or non-killing 3rd party. And in a game full of millers and framer, gunsmith is probably the most OP role. So I think it's perfectly reasonable that there'd be a gun framer and a cop framer. Lawyer definitely doesn't affect me, no way a lawyer would make someone look like they have a gun, lol.

[pirate mollie]

okay so can you answer my earlier question as to what nazarene did that made you wanna back off that claim and go with gun framer?

[Mathdino]

ika, you and I should claim intent to hammer on ProHawk if he doesn't claim. This game can't move forward without A. the claim or B. his lynch.

guille, jail Fenix again and see what happens. Don't want to risk jailing anyone else.

Intent to hammer ProHawk

Gonna roll a die between investigating Nazarene again, ProHawk, Fenix, and guille.

Edit: The guilty on ProHawk and ProHawk's behaviour this entire game and especially today.

[Mathdino]

we don't want town to claim before mafia because it just gives mafia more info.

Dude, from the perspectives of {ika, mollie, DGB}, setting aside any conspiracy theories as to scum shenanigans, there is 1 scum in {Nazarene, Mathdino, ProHawk} and 1 in {Fenix, guille}.

Which confirms ika, mollie, and DGB as town.

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

wat guilty on prohawk

[Mathdino]

I'll hammer ProHawk if he doesn't claim after Nazarene gets on and discusses past results.

Nazarene

: ProHawk's gonna be dead anyway, no reason to hide your role to make sure he doesn't tailor his claim to one that gets a guilty from you.

Edit: Nazarene has an almost-guilty on ProHawk that becomes full-guilty if ProHawk doesn't claim some specific roles apparently.

[pirate mollie]

link?

[Mathdino]

Have you not been reading the thread? ISO Nazarene...

[Mathdino]

Oh yeah mastin still hasn't answered those questions.

[pirate mollie]

Aaand you have a probably guilty on me... yet you are probably insane... which means that you got an innocent on me, but are second guessing it because you think you might be insane. Yet you vote EF. This makes loads of sense, also you have a gun. Or were seen with a gun, or were framed with a gun.

stop discrediting me.
I have a result on you that equates to a guilty, but it doesn't necessarily have to be, depending on what your role is.
Like a vig to a gunsmith. But here the range of roles that equates the vig is rather large; I cannot tell you my role before you claim because you could just cater your claim to it. I'm also not going to claim my role before you because there is quite a chance that your fakeclaim as scum will be foiled by our investigation report.

Apart from that, I think EF has been scummier than you.

And you don't like my voting, but don't explain what you don't like about it.

That you immediately vote dino after he's stating he's going to 1v1 with us. In general, faking a guilty as scum for no reason is losing play. I don't see why you wouldn't first attempt to wait and see what it actually was.

Do you still think dino is scum?

this is the only post they made. if they had a guilty on prohawk don't you think they wld have voted him before eddie?

[pirate mollie]

I am not trying to be difficult here i am just trying to work out thought processes.

cos i think prohawk looks horrifyingly scummy and I do not get why they wld want to keep him alive with a guilty suspicion on him due to role.

[Mathdino]

We think that Guille is town. I've heard much 'but he can be scum jailkeeper' but no reasons, really.

Dino, can you explain why he isn't, according to you?
Mollie, same question.

And I'm going to change my previous statement:

if

we're massclaiming, we claim second after prohawk.

Scum probably is within [dino;EF;hawk]

with a slight chance of [mollie;dgb].

EF is where I want to be voting unless dino is going to keep up his act.

VOTE: EF

Look, buddy, my role PM says town. You don't feel like scum suiciding (nor do I understamd why they would), but you ARE saying that you have definite information that I'm scum, which I'm just fucking not.

That's my perspective.

Since we're doing massclaim, prohawk goes before us.

And before you say I'm stalling,

I am an investigative role with a non-definitive guilty on prohawk. It might be definitive, however, depending on what he claims.

We're nothing else than an investigative role and that should probably tell you enough for you to reveal what you're doing.

No, but

I do believe I'm insane.

Insane people probably don't get guns.