Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

[pirate mollie]

Jeez, finally.

We're a tracker.
Our role pm states that our results may not be accurate and that we may instead reverse if our target is targeting someone or not.

We tracked bulb N1 to the kill. This means that we are the insane variant unless severe shenanigans.
We tracked prohawk N2 to nowhere, so we knew he performed a targeting night action. This checks out with his claim, although it does not confirm his claim.

Ef and ika next?

Prohawk, I wanna have a talk with you when I have time which will probably be tomorrow or the day after.
-Tier

[DrippingGoofball]

I would still like to lynch Fenix.

[Mathdino]

Yo DGB, what's the scum motivation in claiming to be a role that wasn't roleblocked? If Fenix pulls a lynch on guille through, all it does is make him die tomorrow. Fenix was under no pressure to claim contrary to guille's actions.

[DrippingGoofball]

Who should I vote for, then?

[Mathdino]

I dunno yet, is why I'm not voting; the game's moving forward again. Just a question to consider.

Like I said, I'd go with Nazarene/guille personally.

[DrippingGoofball]

UNVOTE:

I'll sheep you.

[pirate mollie]

Jeez, finally.

We're a tracker.
Our role pm states that our results may not be accurate and that we may instead reverse if our target is targeting someone or not.

We tracked bulb N1 to the kill. This means that we are the insane variant unless severe shenanigans.
We tracked prohawk N2 to nowhere, so we knew he performed a targeting night action. This checks out with his claim, although it does not confirm his claim.

Ef and ika next?

Prohawk, I wanna have a talk with you when I have time which will probably be tomorrow or the day after.
-Tier

I suck at multi-tasking.

anyways from what I understand prohawk uses his power nightly but the results are delayed.

is this correct prohawk?

so he shld have gone somewhere last night.

[Mathdino]

thoughts

on?

i have a lot so i can either do an entire basic info dump, or specfics on someone

I'd like to know which claims you believe and which you're iffy on.

Would also like to know your reads list completely disregarding roles and night actions.

Also want to know your thoughts on mollie, DGB, and eyestott, since that group of players is my blindspot at the moment.

eyestott

, still want thoughts on anything. Preferably other than conspiracy theories.

Edit: Believe it or not, I'm actually townreading him for this; I think as scum with such an airtight fakeclaim that he thinks scum has, he'd take the time to actually explain how his role works. If it's true, I think he's more likely to assume that we'd understand how it works without further explanation.

[pirate mollie]

@ eddie

it is just vague niggles nothing specific and nothing I am going to pursue right now. I think you are town for the way you challenged guille.

[pirate mollie]

@ dino

erm...eyesore DID take the time to explain exactly how his role works?

[Mathdino]

@ dino

erm...eyesore DID take the time to explain exactly how his role works?

Yeah and he's my strongest townread.

That doesn't excuse not really doing anything or responding to current events. Just want him to engage.

[eyestott]

Yeah, I have a performance tonight and had a sound heck today. I'll probably post some stuff in about 5 hours.

[Mathdino]

Cool, thanks. If you need questions to answer, would suggest the ones I asked ika above (replacing your name with ika's obv).

[eyestott]

Yep. At the moment, though, I'm making a list of everyone's claims and confirmed roles, and their supposed targets.

[eyestott]

1. shos - confirmed Doctor.
2. Nazarene (TierShift+Aegor) - Claimed possibly insane tracker. N1 found bulba targeting shos. N2 tracked Prohawk to no one.
3. Voidedmafia - Confirmed Sane Cop.
4. Sonic Boom (Metal Sonic+Titus) - Confirmed Mafia Lawyer.
5. Bulbazak - Confirmed Town Miller
6. EddieFenix - Useful result N1 on Sonic
7. ProHawk - Claimed Ultimate Cop, innocent on Bulba on N1, no action N2
6. ika - Claimed Something that interferes with investigations.
9. Mathdino - Claimed Gunsmith, bulbazak has no gun, Nazarene does.
10. guille2015 - Claimed JK
11. pirate mollie - ?
12. eyestott - Claimed One-Shot Miller
13. DrippingGoofball - ?

[ika]

ok i just had to deal with a huge slew of things so my brain is fried.

i will get back to this tommorow (today more like its 1:30 here in morn). im off work today but i got like a dozen things to be done so i will get to this when i get the chance

[Mathdino]

Spoiler: Nazarene's Bulbazak References D2

Hi guys

I think it's probably a good idea to lynch sonicboom today. I'm not reading him as town for his claim (hell, it doesn't even match up with voided's cop role, not even talking about his townread copping :/) and he's playing the 'can't lynch me I claimed cop'-card. Which makes no sense.

Do you have anything to back your claim up, sonic?

To do list:
- read bulba's mathdino argument
- form opinion on ika/mollie/EF

-Tier

The bulba-dino fight looks like TvT to me (fitting smiley! TvT! ) so you guys should cut it out.

why?

2. The below is ProHawk's 605:

Spoiler: 605

For my wall, I am going to start back to where things get interesting... around claim time.

Right after the claim -->

Bulb unvotes Sonic.
Nazarine votes Sonic.
Shos unvotes Sonic and calls Nazarine scum for voting Sonic.
DGB unvotes Sonic.
Eddie votes Sonic.
DGB joins the "Voting Sonic is ScumClaiming" clan.
Dino defends Sonic, the "un-cc'd cop".
DGB backs him up.
Dino votes Fenix for voting Sonic.
Guille talks about needing a counter-claim.

So here is what caught my eye (since I didn't explain myself properly the first time apparently). This is a closed game. We don't know what roles are. Speculation abounds, and likelihood/probability/percentages help with trying to figure stuff out. I get that. But when Dino said something about the cop being un-counter-claimed, that drew red flags up for me.

Because:

A) Why would a cop counter-claim even if he were in the game?
B) We don't know if there are multiple cops in the setup, which would also invalidate that insinuation (that another cop claim would be COUNTER to the original claim)
C) This game is listed as unbalanced/bastard/whatever, which would fly in the face of logic when trying to solve the game with claims and counter-claims. Red-Herring roles?

What this looks like to me, especially on a re-read of the whole situation:

Scum getting run up. The go-to-claim to fish for a potentially devastating role is cop. So he claims cop and runs with it. His buddies are trying to help the fishing along by

calling for a counter claim

. OR

In the event that Sonic actually is a Cop:

Scum are also capitalizing on the "lets find other cops and call for counter-claims"

Let it be known that all of

Dino, DGB, and Guille

want a counter claim to Sonic's claim.

I underlined the misreps for you. He came up with a conspiracy theory in which 3 people are asking for a CC, which is simply not true. This is misrepping. Not ONCE did I say that I was calling for a counterclaim today.

do you think prohawk is scum for it?

Blegh I'm going through your ISO and see PbPa yuck
What is your current read on prohawk and why is sonic boom scummier? (with a little explanation please)

Stop rolefishing DGB.

@Mollie: We have 2 on Ika so far. With you, it's 3. ProHawk, Sonic, and Guille will join, making it 6. I think we could get that last vote easily.

Also your "rolefishing" accusations are frivolous. We are one hour from deadline.

And you want to force a claim. I don't think I'm far off if a claim is your primary concern.

This line of reasoning is dumb. You should want a claim from the biggest wagon when you're close to deadline.

There is no way this playlist is as dumb as we are playing.

?

No, I'm saying that Dino-scum pushed a player for an easy non-reason and that his "case" contained absolutely zero analysis. All it did was look convincing, but upon closer inspection, there was no substance. At no point have I suggested that such a move is incompetent. In fact, it'd be the opposite. You're the one who's saying that Dino is not skilled enough to fake a case.

This Head

is suggesting that it is indicative of incompetence. This Head has not reached this conclusion by asserting that Dino is not skilled enough to make a case. This Head has used Dino's ISO as justification for that assertion. You are confusing the chain of reasoning.

This discussion will not be productive; we should stop.

I do not even know what you guys are talking about. :/

Eddie, give me a reads list while you're here.

Town

Bulba
Me
Our Jailkeeper (name escapes me right now)

Null
ika
DGB

Scum
Sonic

Working on my project for college. Gonna dive back into that cause I've been at it for about 8+ hours now and I need to go back because I keep getting ideas and remembering things. You give me colors my good man XD

ok, so...
Eddie isn't doing shit and hops on the most likely lynch
bulb asks for a readslist
eddie immediately gives a naked readslist.
yeah....

eddie what is wrong with u

Literally half the players are missing from his "reads" list.

What's wrong with Eddie is that he got a scum role PM.

This player gets figured out by day 3

What do you mean? Why don't you want to figure her out now?

Nazarene - He would be in my townreads, but he is voting me currently. Why would he vote an obvtown claimed cop?

lol

This Sonic Boom wagon is rubbish.

why?

I ctrl+F'd 'Bulbazak' in Nazarene's ISO and got the above posts. None of them give any indication that Bulba was investigated. In fact Naz mostly ignored Bulba for D2.
Definitely leaving hard toward Naz.

[Mathdino]

Spoiler: Nazarene's Bulbazak References D2

Hi guys

I think it's probably a good idea to lynch sonicboom today. I'm not reading him as town for his claim (hell, it doesn't even match up with voided's cop role, not even talking about his townread copping :/) and he's playing the 'can't lynch me I claimed cop'-card. Which makes no sense.

Do you have anything to back your claim up, sonic?

To do list:
- read bulba's mathdino argument
- form opinion on ika/mollie/EF

-Tier

The bulba-dino fight looks like TvT to me (fitting smiley! TvT! ) so you guys should cut it out.

why?

2. The below is ProHawk's 605:

For my wall, I am going to start back to where things get interesting... around claim time.

Right after the claim -->

Bulb unvotes Sonic.
Nazarine votes Sonic.
Shos unvotes Sonic and calls Nazarine scum for voting Sonic.
DGB unvotes Sonic.
Eddie votes Sonic.
DGB joins the "Voting Sonic is ScumClaiming" clan.
Dino defends Sonic, the "un-cc'd cop".
DGB backs him up.
Dino votes Fenix for voting Sonic.
Guille talks about needing a counter-claim.

So here is what caught my eye (since I didn't explain myself properly the first time apparently). This is a closed game. We don't know what roles are. Speculation abounds, and likelihood/probability/percentages help with trying to figure stuff out. I get that. But when Dino said something about the cop being un-counter-claimed, that drew red flags up for me.

Because:

A) Why would a cop counter-claim even if he were in the game?
B) We don't know if there are multiple cops in the setup, which would also invalidate that insinuation (that another cop claim would be COUNTER to the original claim)
C) This game is listed as unbalanced/bastard/whatever, which would fly in the face of logic when trying to solve the game with claims and counter-claims. Red-Herring roles?

What this looks like to me, especially on a re-read of the whole situation:

Scum getting run up. The go-to-claim to fish for a potentially devastating role is cop. So he claims cop and runs with it. His buddies are trying to help the fishing along by

calling for a counter claim

. OR

In the event that Sonic actually is a Cop:

Scum are also capitalizing on the "lets find other cops and call for counter-claims"

Let it be known that all of

Dino, DGB, and Guille

want a counter claim to Sonic's claim.

I underlined the misreps for you. He came up with a conspiracy theory in which 3 people are asking for a CC, which is simply not true. This is misrepping. Not ONCE did I say that I was calling for a counterclaim today.

do you think prohawk is scum for it?

Blegh I'm going through your ISO and see PbPa yuck
What is your current read on prohawk and why is sonic boom scummier? (with a little explanation please)

Stop rolefishing DGB.

@Mollie: We have 2 on Ika so far. With you, it's 3. ProHawk, Sonic, and Guille will join, making it 6. I think we could get that last vote easily.

Also your "rolefishing" accusations are frivolous. We are one hour from deadline.

And you want to force a claim. I don't think I'm far off if a claim is your primary concern.

This line of reasoning is dumb. You should want a claim from the biggest wagon when you're close to deadline.

There is no way this playlist is as dumb as we are playing.

?

No, I'm saying that Dino-scum pushed a player for an easy non-reason and that his "case" contained absolutely zero analysis. All it did was look convincing, but upon closer inspection, there was no substance. At no point have I suggested that such a move is incompetent. In fact, it'd be the opposite. You're the one who's saying that Dino is not skilled enough to fake a case.

This Head

is suggesting that it is indicative of incompetence. This Head has not reached this conclusion by asserting that Dino is not skilled enough to make a case. This Head has used Dino's ISO as justification for that assertion. You are confusing the chain of reasoning.

This discussion will not be productive; we should stop.

I do not even know what you guys are talking about. :/

Eddie, give me a reads list while you're here.

Town

Bulba
Me
Our Jailkeeper (name escapes me right now)

Null
ika
DGB

Scum
Sonic

Working on my project for college. Gonna dive back into that cause I've been at it for about 8+ hours now and I need to go back because I keep getting ideas and remembering things. You give me colors my good man XD

ok, so...
Eddie isn't doing shit and hops on the most likely lynch
bulb asks for a readslist
eddie immediately gives a naked readslist.
yeah....

eddie what is wrong with u

Literally half the players are missing from his "reads" list.

What's wrong with Eddie is that he got a scum role PM.

This player gets figured out by day 3

What do you mean? Why don't you want to figure her out now?

Nazarene - He would be in my townreads, but he is voting me currently. Why would he vote an obvtown claimed cop?

lol

This Sonic Boom wagon is rubbish.

why?

I ctrl+F'd 'Bulbazak' in Nazarene's ISO and got the above posts. None of them give any indication that Bulba was investigated. In fact Naz mostly ignored Bulba for D2.
Definitely leaving hard toward Naz.

FFS, FTFMe

[mastin2]

I promised activity on Monday.

Strictly speaking, it's technically Wednesday.

...I am a true failure as a moderator.

But then again, for people who just noted the trendy 1 voters, you sure suck at making 2s, 3s, and 4s. Except Not Voting!

ProHawk - 1 (pirate mollie)
Nazarene - 1 (guille2015)
EddieFenix - 1 (Nazarene)
guille2015 - 1 (EddieFenix)
Mathdino - 1 (ProHawk)

Not Voting - 4 (ika, eyestott, Mathdino, DrippingGoofBall)

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

[guille2015]

.
2. Nazarene (TierShift+Aegor) - Claimed possibly insane tracker. N1 found bulba targeting shos. N2 tracked Prohawk to no one.

6. EddieFenix - Useful result N1 on Sonic
7. ProHawk - Claimed Ultimate Cop, innocent on Bulba on N1, no action N2

2- Does this mean that the tracker gets the opposite result, or that the result is random. If it is the first, then if Nazarene flips town, Prohawk is guaranteed to be scum.
6- Not useful since the result really didn't matter on the day Sonic died.
7- Prohawks role is consistent with his posting.

That said, Nazarene's role and result are not consistent with their posting. Considering that they townread Bulb, still targeted him, and even finding out that they had a damning result on Bulb, they went out for Sonic's Lynch without even prodding bulb for anything that might hint his result.

I think My vote is fine where it is.

[eyestott]

That post was completely unbiased, I just wrote the info each person had given, plus death reveals.

[eyestott]

I know I said I'd post now, but I'm completely exhausted.

[eyestott]

One thing, though.
Matdino: I'm im your strongest townread, how did you forget me specifically in that post?

[guille2015]

That post was completely unbiased, I just wrote the info each person had given, plus death reveals.

I am aware, I am using your post to provide my thoughts, not as an opinion of it.

[eyestott]

Ohhhh, okay.