Mini 1624: Joss Whedon Mafia: The Musical (Game Over)

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Bold it, underline it, italize it I don't care what you do with it but if you want something responded to asap you need to make it noticeable in that mess of an ISO

Or just read posts as they get posted?

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Whoa Mara's anger is contagious apparently
Sorry about that.

[Regfan]

I'm not calling you guys Jesus plus the post was directed to all of you, not just him. And if I could keep up with things post by post I would but given my schedule and timezone I'm almost certainly going to be playing a catchup game daily (Even moreso now though give there's 49 pages I need to comment on) so if you want something responded to just make it noticeable, I don't think I'm asking for much there.

Anyway I'm going back to ISO'ing players.

[Antihero]

'mkay

still good w/ my vote

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

the post was directed to all of you, not just him.

That's a bit hard to tell when you literally say

@Nacho

And if I could keep up with things post by post I would but given my schedule and timezone I'm almost certainly going to be playing a catchup game daily (Even moreso now though give there's 49 pages I need to comment on) so if you want something responded to just make it noticeable, I don't think I'm asking for much there.

I think if you have limited time, keeping up with the thread should be a bigger priority than going back and reading old stuff. If you stick with what you're doing now, you might get stuck in perpetual catchup mode, especially if other people start contributing besides us.

I'm gonna ask Mara to requote the thing you keep ignoring from her.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Oh my bad, I thought she wanted something besides 1094 but it was that and you already got that.

[Antihero]

if all the hydras keeled over right now

we might be left w/ one scum






max

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Because there's a lot of scum motivation to making a lazy/opportunistic vote down and setting yourselves up to be able to use the excuse of "Haven't finished reading through / didn't know that!" if something wrong/bad was pointed out about the vote. I also think or would hope that Nacho or any of you actually would think of reading through everything possible before voting as being 'halfinformed' as town is useless and the posts are unmissable. If by "Already commented on the HB thing" you're referring to Post 1094 it does absolutely nothing for me, very very vague.

Sure. That was kinda sorta my issue with it as well, but from what I understand of nacho's stance, the only thing that really mattered to him was the interaction he would have gotten from Ank mattered that much more to him than the content that was already there. When we replaced in, the game was going at a snailish pace and he was trying to shake things up and get people to respond to stuff. He was unhappy with the current wagon, and so he had voted for the counterwagon thinking that it was going to be a good place to start.

also, yes 1094 is the post where I am talking about HB and it is my standpoint on it. It should mean something to you because you apparently town-read them enough to replace into that slot (because from what I understand, you keep up in games you replace in and only replace into slots you think are town) but I don't think HB's posts were alignment indicative, so I don't think the entire slot should have been town-read because of that

Anti, Hi.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Anti, I've responded to you and I'm reaching out to you and I'm expecting you to respond to the things I'm posting to you about.

[Bulbazak]

Vote Count

Medea the Alien (0):
Jesusbuddhavrishnathebest (1): Antihero
Antihero (1): Boonskiies
F-16_Fighting_Falcon (0):
Egg (1): Jesusbuddhavrishnathebest
Serrapaladin (0):
Regfan (2): Yoncé, Egg
Boonskiies (3): Serrapaladin, Medea the Alien, Regfan
Eyestott (0):
Murder of Crows (0):
Mikuru (0):
Yoncé (0):

Not Voting (4): Eyestott, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Murder of Crows, Mikuru

It is day 2. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends on Thursday, December 18 at 1:45pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-12-18 13:45:00).

[Regfan]

@Mara

- I understand that Nachos stance was "wanting to lynch someone that wasn't Boon" which required throwing a vote down elsewhere, my question is merely why he picked Ank (This slot) specifically over say Murder, yonce, Egg, anyone really to do it and why he didn't think it was worth taking the extra few minutes to ISO both people that have been in the slot. Happy to wait till he gets on because this is something I want and need to hear from him. I strongly disagree with you re; HBs "not being alignment indicative", very strongly so and have elaborated on that already.

Just going to throw down the reads I currently have, still got to get through Younce/Murder/Isott/Anti/JBATB slots though but I need a break. Seriously though, do not see my vote going anywhere other than Murder when I finish reading through I've found just about every post of theirs incredibly scummy/contrived.

Town (S->W):

Boon, Egg, [Gap], Miku, F-16

Boons

vote on Arc in Post 440 and reasoning behind it in Post 443 and Post 445 is awful but it sounds like that's not really an alignment-tell from him. I do like the reasoning behind his Istott push and vote in Post 617 and Post 631 and I really do not see scum saying "I'll take the nightkill" and fake claiming an inventor type role like Post 876 also the "I'm not allowed to know how my role works" ect in Post 940 and Post 966 actually meshes really well with some information I have and I really really do not see Boon thinking to crumb in the manner that Post 1028 suggests as scum. This dudes most certainly town. Not sure why there's votes on him or why Serra/Ank thought he was scum, terrible place for a vote.

Unvote.

Eggs

entrance reads in Post 46 looked decent and his catchup in Post 475 reads very genuine, specifically the "too sure I'm town" and the "Oh god we're not going to get along this game Antihero" sections, I don't see the second one coming from him as scum in that manner. I also really like his reasoning behind town reading Boon in Post 998 and response in Post 1006. Would like more content / stances from him but right now reasonably confident he's town.

Arcs

ISO was painful to read through, the entire interaction with Serra (In fact everyone's abuse towards Serra) is way overboard but is something I have a hard time seeing Arc!Scum fake for instance Post 322 and Post 359. Reads list in Post 393 for the most part looks genuine, have a slight issue with the Isott read/reasoning though. Don't see the replace out and reason in Post 516 coming from scum either and liked most of Mikurus catch up in Post 594 but the amount of "interestings" and lack of follow through on the rest of catch up as well as the setup to vote Boon in Post 1090 is slightly concerning. Overall still think the slots town largely due to Arc but really need to see Miku comment more on recent events and explain their Boon scumread.

GreyICE

reads/pop-in statement in Post 221 read townish and agree with him re; people both in this game and in general need to actually think through posts more before spamming the thread up. Liked the reasoning behind changing his vote in Post 355 / Post 357, think as scum he'd have coasted and left his vote there longer, was hoping for there to be more content in the ISO because I'm generally fairly accurate reading him (Except when he's SK...) but there wasn't any real red flags there and the lack of content seems to a) Be a sitewide thing for him now and b) Not helped by this game being a clusterfuck of spam and useless posts. Do have one small qualm with F-16 though; would have expected him to have at least some sort of reaction to me replacing in especially after our last game, fact there's nothing feels off-putting? Still overall got a weak town read on the slot but think I'll be able to get a much stronger idea after F-16s catch up.

Null / Conflicted:

Medea

Medeas

entrance of "Stoked / This day doesn't end until you state a read on me" in Post 9 read as genuine but doesn't entirely mesh with their play since then. Liked Cabds comment re; Riddleton in Post 337 and while Post 700 somewhat explains the lack of content I don't like how long it takes for Penguin to get into the game especially given her alignment preference or her scum read on Boon in Post 853 reads as opportunistic; the fact she's scum-reading Boon for what I'm town-reading him for points towards her read being fake/not thought through too. Also dislike the willingness to lynch her null read (Egg) over her scum read (MoC) in Post 880 though Post 888 kills my consideration of them being a scum-team but still dislike their lack of actually content on both day phases now. As much as I dislike a lot of their posts or lack of I'm not even remotely convinced this is Cadb!Scum so if you're town here I really need to step it up asap, badly.

[serrapaladin]

The regfan slot is almost 100% town.

I'm unsure Boon's ridiculous role, but we can probs solve him into the next 2 nights.

I could see both the nacho and ap hydrae being scum.

It's pretty unlikely I'll sober up in the next 48 hours, so more posts this weekend may not happen. Everyone definitively needs to take a stance on boons claim tho, and lynching from the hydrae seems like a good call. Or possibly anti

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Eggs

Your Egg read avoided his Anv vote
Please rectify

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

'mkay

still good w/ my vote

Mara and I had a discussion about you! She thinks you're incredibly town, I think you're playing a lot worse than you normally do as town.
Mara pointed out that the reason you were town is because of your previous passion in pushing our slot: she also suggested that the reason you backed down and aren't interacting with us is because you're stubborn as shit and afraid of being wrong.

I liked that point a lot.

[Regfan]

Antiheros

scum read explanation on LMP in Post 167 is solid and I like his "looney town reads on Riddleton/LMP" in Post 226 as I was feeling the exact same way at the time when reading through. His Post 230 is actually a really good point and something I'll go into in way more depth later, like and agree with Post 408 too and Post 457. His reaction to being voted by Serra in Post 772 is over-the-top but not sure if that's alignment indicative here. Don't disagree with too much of his reads list in Post 780 and all of them read very genuine. Going to need Post 829 explained though because I have a fairly big issue with that flip of read especially with how unexplained it is. His Post 861 reads as genuine / fits with his attitude and reads in the game. Going to need Post 915 explained as well specifically the comment of a "lurkaderp" getting the invention. Push on Boon though as bad and wrong as it is reads as if he legitimately believes Boons scum, yeah all up I'm reasonably confident he's town just need the two things explained 1) The flip of read on MoC/Boon at end of D1 and 2) The "lurkaderp" comment.

Town (S->W):

Boon, Egg, Anti [Gap], Miku, F-16

@Nachohydra

- 1) Eggs had a scum read on this slot for majority of the game ie.Post 91, Post 724 and Post 805 which makes his most recent vote on the slot in Post 1026 very understandable and not even remotely scummy, him asking what's town about the slot in Post 1109 fits with it too. 2) Want Nacho to explain how I'm playing "badly/worse than normal", actual reasons because I'm feeling p good about my reads / thoughts so far 3) I haven't "backed down" at all, I still think you're scum but I think I can get a better read on you once you've caught up and commented on my reads lists, also I'm significantly more and I mean really really confident that MoC is scum here so I have no intention / never have of voting you today, we're lynching MoC when I finish catching up.

@Serra -

Think this is a setup of 'ridiculous roles' so I don't disbelieve Boons claim at all, especially with the crumbing and manner it was claimed / explained.

[Regfan]

Ah, ignore the above 2) and 3) section, thought the above quote was directed at me but it was to Antihero.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

1) Eggs had a scum read on this slot for majority of the game ie.Post 91, Post 724 and Post 805 which makes his most recent vote on the slot in Post 1026 very understandable and not even remotely scummy, him asking what's town about the slot in Post 1109 fits with it too.

Why does he get a pass for not seeing how obvtown your slot is? Is Nacho simply held to that much higher of a standard?

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

You really should get around to reading the whole game, the context of how the no lynch occurred is very much required reading.

I've read the end part of the no lynch occurred and I read ffery's reaction to being the target of where the deadline lynch was headed to. What other parts need touching on?

As for HB it was the thought process outlined transparently in Post 376 that was uber town

The thought process outlined transparently in Post 376 is essentially HB translating GreyICE's posts and reading in between the lines. In doing so, HB does nothing particularly genuine (trying to sort out GreyICE's posts is sort of genuine, but not uber town genuine), takes no real position on GreyICE, takes no real positions period.

Post 712, willingness to explain them despite leaving the game in Post 713 and explanation on why they thought giving out reads was beneficial in Post 726 that was ridiculously towny.

712... was a bunch of reads. No reasons given for said reads, no rhyme or reason for them. "Hey this is so replacement has a confirmed town thought process to hear" isn't town at all: it shows that HB has an investment in the game but doesn't really want to leave. What would be town is if HB actually expressed that same desire, and provided AND EXPLAINED his reads which shows he has an investment in the reads rather than just showing he has an investment in the game, but he didn't do that at all.

There have been two instances where scum has kept posting upon requesting replacement and made a similar post to HB's replacing out posts. One was the first Perpetual MyLo, where scum sent me his notes on the game "so I would have his conftown thoughts", and the second was Empire's game where Mirari kept posting after requesting replacement. I'm guessing you read that one?

I'm not really that interested in continuing this part of the discussion though since it ultimately won't be how I read you today, but posting this anyways just so you know I am reading up where you're asking me to.

[Regfan]

@Nachohydra

(Find a better name for me to use if you don't want this one):

1) Yes, I do hold Egg and Nacho to different standards in what I expect them to notice, my only experience with Egg was in Open 272 where he pretty much single handily won scum the game (He was the clear) admittedly that game was a while back but my issue is/was more the manner Nacho placed the the vote here.

2) Would like all three of your individual thoughts on my reads that I've posted so far actually.

3) Peoples reads on the MoC slot prior to the no lynch is rather important to note, I'll be elaborating on this when I get around to posting my detailed read on MoC though but pretty much the entire room had MoC as scum or null at best yet they never even got to L-1 with deadline approaching and people kept attempting to push elsewhere instead, who did what there and why is key.

4) Re; HB's read on Grey, it was natural, that's what I'm getting at, they weren't manipulating the events or attempting to spin anything to fit a read they wanted to push, instead they were looking at the information infront trying to make sense of it and the result was them unvoting, that's town as fuck especially since the change of read was entirely unprompted and it was at a time where GI was one of the counterwagons to themselves. Have scum stated reads before replacing out before? Yes, very very rarely though, the way they replaced out is still objectively one of the stronger town-tells there is but if you don't want to go down discussing this that's fine, instead just focus on addressing 2) and 3).

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

@Nachohydra

(Find a better name for me to use if you don't want this one):

I (Skrew) am fine with this. It's significantly better than just @Nacho.

1) Yes, I do hold Egg and Nacho to different standards in what I expect them to notice, my only experience with Egg was in Open 272 where he pretty much single handily won scum the game (He was the clear) admittedly that game was a while back but my issue is/was more the manner Nacho placed the the vote here.

Your opinion of Egg is so low after that one game that you don't expect him to see how your slot is "beyond obvtown"?

2) Would like all three of your individual thoughts on my reads that I've posted so far actually.

Egg is the only one that I have anything to comment on. I'll have reads on other people if they actually show up and do things.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Now your turn, elaborate on why exactly you thought the slot was scum, want to hear it from you not your hydra partners - "having town reads on people voting me and disliking the Boon wagon" doesn't cut it alone, need a specific reason why this slot and y'know someone that's actually likely to be scum.

The first thing bad about Ank was how bad the catchup sucked. He tried to go "oh I'm reading the game, look! I'm at X page and now I'm at X page proving I am really reading!" but then made no conclusions whatsoever or showed any awareness of what was happening in the game. The only thing he did manage to post about from the game was a shitty read on Riddleton where he pointed out a random contradiction on Riddleton, and, instead of voting for it or following up on it, jumped on the Boonskies wagon for a shitty reason. In particular, this one:

The way yonce and Egg tried to counter the Boons wagon is very fascinating and makes me think Boon is a scum version of that role with strong scum powers. It's my best guess for the role gaffe.

VOTE: Boonskiies

Which says that the scumteam is Boonskies-Egg-yonce which is something that literally no one in the entire world would believe.

Can anyone answer this? I'm not going to support a flashwagon on him until at minimum this gets answered.

There's also this, which is just lazy and opportunistic at best.

There also wasn't anything in Ank's ISO that I could look at and go "hey, this is town!" which to me is a BIG red flag because generally I see things that could be town a little too easily.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

I also think or would hope that Nacho or any of you actually would think of reading through everything possible before voting as being 'halfinformed' as town is useless and the posts are unmissable.

It seems like you're saying that I can't make a significant impact as town without being fully informed on the game state. This is narrow-minded as hell and I know you don't think that shallowly about things.

[Murder of Crows]

guys, plz just either make some effort at sorting us or put us out of our misery.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

guys, plz just either make some effort at sorting us or put us out of our misery.

:/
ffery?

[Murder of Crows]

yes.