micro 429: m9++. epilogue.

[TierShift]

VOTE: cyrus

Join, for the glory of mafiascum!

[FuDuzn]

Over other Dave though?

[davesaz]

Compare my deliberation in the last day of this game to my analysis of the Sordros wagon. I can't provide a scum sample, because I haven't rolled scum yet.

[TierShift]

META FROM ONLY ONE ALIGNMENT DOESN'T WORK

IF YOU KNOW YOUR OWN META IT DOESN'T WORK

Now vote CYRUS with me

[TierShift]

I have been pretty clear that Tier is my top town read, FuDunz. I haven't cast a single aspiration towards him. Unless you think a) town should let clear accusations towards them go unquestioned and b) it makes perfect sense for someone to not vote their top scum reads.

I prefer to have something I can argue against when I'm being scum read other than, "hey, you're scummy."

Maybe it is the beer talking, but I have read this post multiple times and still have no idea what you are going on about.

Ok I read this a second time, still drinking beer though, not sure what confused me the first time.

You rapid fire made two posts calling tier out for saying he doesn't like some players more than he doesn't like me, yet still votes me. It sounds exactly like you are trying to discredit his scum reads........or at least call them into question.

you want to vote cyrus, I know it.

[FuDuzn]

Tier, remind me again why you don't want to vote other Dave?

[Cyrus]

V/la until Monday although I'll try to get on over the weekend.

[mykonian]

well, this game got quiet all of a sudden.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Official Vote Count

davesaz

(3): FuDuzn, Whomping Willow, Cyrus

BRantz

(1): VysePresident

TierShift

(1): davesaz

VysePresident

(1): mykonian

Cyrus

(1): TierShift

sordros

(1): BRantz

Not Voting

(1): sordros

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-12-26 06:44:58)

Prodding sordros. Note that anyone who needs two prods on Day 1 is force-replaced.

[TierShift]

wait, dave is still voting me?

why are you still voting me?

[davesaz]

At this point I'm so confused I'm just hoping for someone other than you to town read me so I can sheep.
I can't make my town any more obvious than it already is, and everyone who scum reads that is questionable.

[FuDuzn]

At this point I'm so confused I'm just hoping for someone other than you to town read me so I can sheep.
I can't make my town any more obvious than it already is, and everyone who scum reads that is questionable.

Why would I think you are town when you make a post like this?

[davesaz]

Why would scum make that kind of post?

[davesaz]

I've said this before but don't remember if the game is completed or not.
Too many people on this site have trouble recognizing brutal honesty from town.

And Tier, yes I know it's self meta. Stuff it.

[mykonian]

At this point I'm so confused I'm just hoping for someone other than you to town read me so I can sheep.
I can't make my town any more obvious than it already is, and everyone who scum reads that is questionable.

your face is questionable.

[TierShift]

DAVE DO SHIT INSTEAD OF SELF META BULLSHIT

[BRantz]

DAVE DO SHIT INSTEAD OF SELF META BULLSHIT

This made me laugh really hard.

Since Cyrus has done nothing to combat the case against him, and Tier wants a sheep. I will do so.

VOTE: Cyrus

[davesaz]

@Tier

What do you make of this?

VOTE: Dave

None of this curtailing to pressure so easily was present in the other game, and the weird waffly politiciany evasive responses are bad aswell

I never claimed cop. My post just had some weird formatting issues.

#lurking

[davesaz]

I have a strong opinion about it btw.

[davesaz]

dave, now would be a good time to start talking about yourself. Who are you?

I have 4 completed games here and 3 finished but still ongoing. Why do you want to know more than that?

because I care about you <3

BTW I never really thought this was satisfactory, but had more pressing issues to attend to.

[davesaz]

Plus, this isn't a newbie game so I doubt anybody would quickhammer.

Right, but you also said town could panic as well.
You effectively refuse to give an opinion on sor.

So, are you going to vote him, or call him town?

It's not a question of believing or not believing the case. I don't know if we have all the information we can get before going to L-1.

So you would vote him if it were not for it being L-2?

Simple, you should only worry about putting someone at L-1 on day 1 if that person is your scum buddy or you know it will be a mislynch(ie you are scum and know the person is town and you are trying to white knight). My point about quick hammering is that outside of super newbie players, it isn't going to happen, a quick is almost an auto lynch for that player the next day, so you shouldn't worry about that. And I know I have been not too active here, busy at work, but I try to read up a bit when I can and there has been not much that other Dave has said that makes me think my vote isn't well placed.

Especially when he said that we must remove him from L-1 lest scum quick hammers lol.

You make a huge assumption about background knowledge on site meta. If someone had played mostly on a site with 48 hour day cycles and highest vote total lynched, that person may not be aware that quick hammerers get lynched. Nor have I seen any evidence that this is even true, in one game someone hammered without much (if any) warning, and was not scum read for it at all. So from observed results, scum can hammer "quickly" and get away with it.

[davesaz]

@Cyrus/Vyse: So I was waiting for Willow to get back before commenting on the wagon, and now get home from work to find two more pages (which is a hell of a lot faster than anything progressed in the newbie game I just finished, which I like). I wanted to see what Willow had to say about the wagon/speculation around his first post because it influences what people are doing on the wagon. So here are my reads on all of that.

Willow's response was essentially a non-response. Did you get anything from that?

Sordros: I don't find his initial reactions scummy, I like that he is trying to create dialogue, and gain information. But after failing to do that I find it kind of strange how he just sort of completely changes tactics and says he is okay with all of it. It seems very strange, but I don't know that it is scummy. Nullish leaning town for now.

And faded away. Updated thoughts?

mykonian: He was on the wagon, while actually apparently trying to distract from it by engaging dave about completely irrelevant things, and seems to have no interest in scum hunting at all. Seems fairly scummy so far to me.

I typically find the use of irrelevant things to be very scummy

Tier: I like Tier for actually trying to push the game, get people talking, and get more information out in the open. That being said, I'm not sure I believe that the whole thing was a reaction test for him. I like the pressure he put on dave, but am uncertain about the immediate unvote afterward. Null for now.

Do you see a difference between how Tier's unvote and mine were treated?

Willow: This play is pretty much in line with how he played as town in the newbie game I was just in with him, so I like that. He can be town for now.

See above question. I don't remember Willow fading at all in the newbie game. Would this prompt an update from you?

Dave: Also is playing a lot like he did as town in the newbie we were just in, but he didn't bend to people pressuring him in that game like he just did to Tier. Mildly scummy for now.

I never saw a reasonable explanation of how it was bending to pressure at all. If you subtract thoughts about the pressure and look strictly at the deliberative posting style, what do you get?

Vyse: Vyse seems town so far, but his play is similar to the newbie game where he was scum, and I was town reading him most of the way there until he defended his scum buddy until she died. Mild town read for now.

Vyse has since come under attack. What are your thoughts on that?

[davesaz]

DAVE DO SHIT INSTEAD OF SELF META BULLSHIT

You're not the boss of me.

I know my alignment is town. I can get valuable information from whether people recognize similarities to other games I'm town. IMO scum have done us a favor by choosing me as lynch bait.

[mykonian]

dave, now would be a good time to start talking about yourself. Who are you?

I have 4 completed games here and 3 finished but still ongoing. Why do you want to know more than that?

because I care about you <3

BTW I never really thought this was satisfactory, but had more pressing issues to attend to.

that feeling is mutual.

It's an issue that resolves itself though. You are on a collision course with a piece of rope.

[FuDuzn]

Why would scum make that kind of post?

Calling yourself obv town and calling those that are scum reading you as obv scum will not make me think you are town.

Also not quick hammering IS basically site wide meta outside of newbie games, many players policy lynch the next day if it does happen.