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DOMO, take that fucking snaky stick out of your ass and take a step back and just THINK.
You're confbiasing.
Big-time.
MAJOR FUCKING BIGTIME.
I've presented you with counters to basically every point.
I've shown you that your evidence isn't valid. I've provided plenty of counter-evidence showing that he's town.
Your read hasn't budged an inch.
What does that mean?
Oh, yeah.
He's town. You're biased. Stop being a moron and take a step back to rethink, reevaluate, and come back more objective than you are. Sure, there's objectively-scummy content in Wreck's iso. However, there is also a TON of objective evidence that shows that Wreck's moves are
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Not to mention large chunks of TODAY trying to discredit ME!↑ KittyCupCake wrote:Or how he spent large chunks of the day trying to discredit SH?
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Damn straight it does! I've never seen a stronger indication of townplay in a person!↑ Perpetual Nonsense wrote:TW's play speaks for itself.
(Okay, I lied, I have, but not very many! You get the idea; insanely town.)
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↑ Total Wreck wrote:Sure, because scum totally wants more attention as the game progresses.
Totally makes sense if you don't think about it.
You are judging my alignment by my personality. That's terrible play at best and manipulative scum at worst.
that's my way.
Don't care what you think.
Now back to things that make no sense.
Domo: Can you explain why you have this hard on thing with TW and the Wifom of shiny's death? Shiny had a scum read on many people through out the day that went from A to Z jumps in logic. Why is TW scum above anyone else in regards to shiny if all you are basing it on is wifom.
Also don't you dare fucking give me that post again with Pine/tw talk because that is BS and you know better.
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
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I'm going to saying something metaish but it bugs me more then I can ever explain.
Domo being illogical is just weird to me. Even when we were in 80's mafia there was a method to his behavior but all I see is jumps, jumps, jumps, jumps and it is very scattered and off for me.
Domo being illogical is just weird to me. Even when we were in 80's mafia there was a method to his behavior but all I see is jumps, jumps, jumps, jumps and it is very scattered and off for me.
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
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Huh. Funny. I seem to recall a player who's shown basically all of these traits, from the scumminess to the nothing of value to the focusing on defense to the lack of cases to the bitching.↑ Paschendale wrote:That you're already incredibly scummy, produce nothing of value, only focus on defense, have offered no helpful cases, spent most of day 1 just bitching about me attacking you.
...That player wasn't Kitty.
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, 13p Mini Theme sequel to Gistou, is in design and could use reviewers!It pleases me that farside finds me hard to read. It displeases me that I'm coming across as illogical. I think I'm the logical one. I guess that makes me deluded.
You already know why I think wreck is scum. If you can't accept it, that's not my problem. I'm not gonna stop thinking he's scum just because other people like you and mastin are telling me I'm illogical or that I have things up my arse. I have nothing up my arse. I just think wreck is scum, and I'm stubborn. I trust my reads more than I trust mastin's. She can shout all she likes about how wreck is town. She's either scum, or she doesn't know wreck's alignment.
You think I'm being illogical farside. Well, either I'm locked on to scum, or if I've created a wagon that has generated a great deal of information. See mastin's #1980. Which, incidentally, is what wreck should be doing. If he thinks I'm town then he should be looking at those who are sheeping me. But he's leaving mastin to do all his fighting. I don't see the town motivation there.
Can you explain why you have this hard on thing with TW and the Wifom of shiny's death?
You already know why I think wreck is scum. If you can't accept it, that's not my problem. I'm not gonna stop thinking he's scum just because other people like you and mastin are telling me I'm illogical or that I have things up my arse. I have nothing up my arse. I just think wreck is scum, and I'm stubborn. I trust my reads more than I trust mastin's. She can shout all she likes about how wreck is town. She's either scum, or she doesn't know wreck's alignment.
You think I'm being illogical farside. Well, either I'm locked on to scum, or if I've created a wagon that has generated a great deal of information. See mastin's #1980. Which, incidentally, is what wreck should be doing. If he thinks I'm town then he should be looking at those who are sheeping me. But he's leaving mastin to do all his fighting. I don't see the town motivation there.
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No! That's not your point! That's the opposite of your point! What the hell are you doing!?
It seems like you're trying to hand it off to me and refuse responsibility for your read on her.
That's what I just accused you of? Seriously, Mastin, what the hell is up with you this game? Did you have a stroke or something?
↑ mastin2 wrote:Okay. He's town because of my strong gut townread, and while my strong gut scumreads have been known to be wrong on occasions (still more accurate than not), my strong gut townreads NEVER are. But 7-for-7 + Appeal-to-Authority aside, he's town because Wisdom said so, and even died saying so rather consistently especially if Pine flipped scum...which as we know, he did. He's also town because that hammer was at worst null, and I think it was actually incredibly town in nature. Town players are very, very, VERY frequently impulsive, and few fit this description moreso than our friend Wreck, here. As scum, you generally don't want to look bad. As scum, you generally want to avoid drawing attention to yourself, and regardless of Pine's alignment, the sudden hammer did exactly that. Plus, it's the manner in which the hammer was done. What towncredit would be earned from the sudden hammer? Basically none. What would the cost of it be? Losing their encryptor. What does that mean? In a risk-reward analysis, scum-Wreck has little to gain and quite a bit to lose by pulling the stunt. Thus, he wouldn't.
Wreck is also town because of the way he has interacted with others. There is not a hint of manipulation present in his posting. Instead, all I see is impulsive moves made without thought, without caution, without regards to scum needing to control the game. Yes, this is something Wreck is going to do to some extent regardless of his alignment...but like this? Heck no. There'd be a sign. A tell, that all of this was in some manner orchestrated, that he was faking it. None has shown.
His interactions with others show a willingness to get into a fight which if he was scum he knew there'd be a significant chance of losing. Examples? Fighting Shiny, who got nightkilled last night, and fighting DOMO, who is one of the stronger voices in the town right now. He's willingly entering and even encouraging these battles, which is again borderline suicide for a scum player, but quite natural coming from a paranoid, irrational town player who doesn't take for granted that theyarefacing off against town. In other words, because Wreck thinks that whoever he's squaring off against could be scum, he feels no hesitation to fight them even if he thinks he's on the losing end of it, because if they are scum, he'd be vindicated and would have bragging rights to having caught the obvscum who was "blatant" yet invisible to all of us.
If that wasn't enough, the case against him is absolute crap, and I've shot down basically most of the points. (The few I haven't, Wreck himself has countered plenty adequately enough.) Throw in everyone's willingness to lynch him, AND given that he's done plenty of trolling which I simply don't think he'd do with one scumbuddy already dead, and Wreck is town.
There.
1. Gut reads are bullshit and there's no reason whatsoever to take that at face value, not even from you. I don't care about your record for accuracy. I care whether or not you make a good argument now and whether or not I can trust you not to be lying. Neither of those are particularly going your way right now.
2. Wisdom said a lot of crazy shit and accused a lot more people of being scum than can be scum. This is just another appeal to authority, only it's a different authority. Again, I don't see any reason to think that they were right, and since they can't update any of their positions based on new information, I hardly think that a day 1 read is going to be better than later ones.
3. Scum can be just as impulsive as town. Good scum often are. For exactly this reason. Likewise, quickhammering is traditionally viewed as a scumtell, but town do it all the time, too. Both are pretty null.
4. Your risk-reward bit assumes that scum never make mistakes or calculate risk and reward wrong. And that everyone will attribute the same risks and rewards to an action that you will. Not likely.
5. "Not a hint of manipulation"? That's a pretty bold statement. Tell me, what exactly constitutes manipulation? How about a technically correct case on a townie? Again, this is entirely based on an assumption that scum play calculating, cautious games. And yet a lot of reckless behavior, like quickhammering, is often considered a scumtell. So which is it? You're assuming a lot of absoultes and a lot of rote play. We both know that's not how it goes.
The rest of it goes on basically the same. It's just an assertion that Wreck wouldn't play aggressively or make noise if he were scum. Some of the best scumgames I've ever seen involved a lot of noisy and aggressive play.
And the last bit, that they would change tactics in light of losing Pine. Gee, that seems like it would be a much more obvious scumtell than backing off would. A town player would have no reason to back off, only scum would. So, in order to maintain the illusion of being town, Wreck must stay the course.
Everything you're offering is a null tell at most, Mastin.
I'm not discrediting you. If anything, I'm consistently saying how good you usually are. I'm just pointing out how you're wrong here. And in reply to Kitty's bullshit bit about me trying to discredit Shiny, Farside says it best.
I didn't need to discredit them. They did a fine job of it themselves, and I was certainly going to disagree with their absurd scumread on me.
If you're talking about me, I'd have to ask why you're suddenly lying. I've pushed several cases, offered lots of reasons, am currently dismantling your bad towncase on TW, and the only reason that my day 1 content could possibly look like defense is because my scumreads all decided to try to lynch me. They failed. I'm town. You're not making any sense.
I think a lot of what you've said has made sense and I agree with a lot of it. But what do you think of Kitty? I think it's insanely obvious that she's scum and I don't know why others don't see it as well. Do you?
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↑ Paschendale wrote:I agree with her analysis of your voting patterns.
↑ Paschendale wrote:No, it made sense to me without Bulba scum.
And again, in what way? -Because her analysis was based on the premise of bulba being scum. If you don't think Bulba is scum, that whole line of reasoning falls apart. -So what, exactly, do you agree with?
For those of you out there not paying attention, this is pasch, again, spewing bullshit he can't backup.
↑ Paschendale wrote:In 2031, Kitty is pointing out how she tried to fly under the radar on D1 as if it were a positive. She avoided interaction with as many players as possible, only suspected me, and just parroted Shiny's attacks on me. Pine not talking to her is "very telling". Uh, what does it tell us? It tells me that Pine wasn't interacting with his partner.
Why is no one reading pasch's posts?
2031 is analysis of NM/Rom's interactions.
↑ Paschendale wrote:She asked twice "Why did shiny get NK'd if he wasn't right?" We all know that speculating about night kills is a futile endeavor. Sometimes they're just random. But she's trying to assume things we can't possibly know in order to justify her preconceived conclusion.
Yeah, that was Domo. But good job on this combo of not reading/misrepping.
↑ Paschendale wrote:I think a lot of what you've said has made sense and I agree with a lot of it. But what do you think of Kitty? I think it's insanely obvious that she's scum and I don't know why others don't see it as well. Do you?
I don't see her as obvscum, far from it. Having scanned her ISO, I could probably argue a case either way.
Still, I'd sooner lynch her than you.
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↑ KittyCupCake wrote:And again, in what way? -Because her analysis was based on the premise of bulba being scum. If you don't think Bulba is scum, that whole line of reasoning falls apart. -So what, exactly, do you agree with?
For those of you out there not paying attention, this is pasch, again, spewing bullshit he can't backup.
It wasn't based on it. It included it. But that your votes haven't been conducive to any helpful scumhunting doesn't require Bulba to be scum. That your votes are strategic rather than inquisitive doesn't require Bulba to be scum. That Mastin is reading more into it than I am means that Mastin is screwing up, not me. Do you have anything honest to say?
Yeah, that was Domo. But good job on this combo of not reading/misrepping.
2038 is you saying it. My mistake that the first one was Domo. Are you misattributing quotes in order to lie about them? The only bullshit is coming from you.
And again, the only thing that Kitty has any effort for is defending herself. Does she have any theories? No. She goes along with a few people who she thinks can help her and attacks her detractors.
Ugh... Fine. TW today. Kitty tomorrow. It ultimately doesn't matter which one we kill first, since I'm pretty sure they're both scum.
VOTE: TW
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↑ Paschendale wrote:It wasn't based on it. It included it. But that your votes haven't been conducive to any helpful scumhunting doesn't require Bulba to be scum. That your votes are strategic rather than inquisitive doesn't require Bulba to be scum. That Mastin is reading more into it than I am means that Mastin is screwing up, not me. Do you have anything honest to say?
I'm still waiting to see which votes and reasons you agree with and why.
↑ Paschendale wrote:2038 is you saying it.
To
Domo
. In response to Domo
. Criticizing Domo
's stance and the disconnect between what he was saying and what he was actually doing. That was not me seriously proposing that; I was countering Domo
's line of reasoning. This is really, really obvious for anyone who was actually reading that part of the game. This is either a blatant misrep or one of the dumbest things I have ever seen.
BTW, I notice no response to your other bullshit point regarding 2031.
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Oh, I missed this. This is pasch's explanation for the TW read, after I called him out for not having any reasoning behind it:
1) Consistently untown comments (which he never before mentioned, responded to, called out, and never really specifies)
2) Ignoring all but the superficial (which he never before mentioned, responded to, called out, and never really specifies)
3) Posting only for image (which he never before mentioned, responded to, called out, and never really specifies)
4) Only OMGUS, mainly pasch (we've been over this iffy point)
↑ Paschendale wrote:Anything CAN come from town, you idiot. We both know this. There is no magical thing that only one alignment does. Playing dumb and pretending that this game is a math equation or something black and white just reinforces how un-town your comments consistently are. You intentionally ignore anything beyond the superficial when it can be used against you. The main point of everything you're posting is about your own image. The only thing even resembling scumhunting you've done is attack your detractors, mainly me. You're doing nothing to help town win this game, and only working to improve your own position. Looking even an inch beyond the surface of your posts makes this obvious. That is why you're scum. Not because of RVS stuff, but because, a thousand posts into the game, nothing has changed. You keep doing the same crap you were doing on page 1.
1) Consistently untown comments (which he never before mentioned, responded to, called out, and never really specifies)
2) Ignoring all but the superficial (which he never before mentioned, responded to, called out, and never really specifies)
3) Posting only for image (which he never before mentioned, responded to, called out, and never really specifies)
4) Only OMGUS, mainly pasch (we've been over this iffy point)
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And now, the interaction portion of our case. These are the confrontational situations pasch has been in:
If you want, you can just open them all and skim for the green -that alone gives a pretty good feel for how pasch has generally handled confrontations this game.
Notice anything about that pine interaction? -There's no name calling, dismissing, or claws. It's just a soft, gentle push, like pasch wants to refute the points, but doesn't want to make pine look bad in the process. Unlike, you know, how he goes out of his way to make everyone else sound like shit.
If you want, you can just open them all and skim for the green -that alone gives a pretty good feel for how pasch has generally handled confrontations this game.
Spoiler: TW
Spoiler: Bulba
Spoiler: KCC
Spoiler: Shiny
Spoiler: mastin
Spoiler: Other
Spoiler: Pine
Notice anything about that pine interaction? -There's no name calling, dismissing, or claws. It's just a soft, gentle push, like pasch wants to refute the points, but doesn't want to make pine look bad in the process. Unlike, you know, how he goes out of his way to make everyone else sound like shit.
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Waiting for mod to show up and hopefully modkill House so we can move on from this to either DOMO gloating or ending this tunnel. There's still a lot I dislike about TW from D1 but late D1 and today looks like frustrated town to me, the later parts frustrated town resigned to his lynch.
Timing of Pasch's vote noted
Timing of Pasch's vote noted
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
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↑ Not_Mafia wrote:Waiting for mod to show up and hopefully modkill House so we can move on from this to either DOMO gloating or ending this tunnel. There's still a lot I dislike about TW from D1 but late D1 and today looks like frustrated town to me, the later parts frustrated town resigned to his lynch.
Timing of Pasch's vote noted
If I'm modkilled, that means I'm scum and gave away the entire team.
If I'm scum and gave away the entire team, I won't just be modkilled, I'll most likely be banned.
If the entire team has been outed, why are they not bitching about it?
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Claiming scum with others is modkillable regardless of actual alignment
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
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