Mini 1624: Joss Whedon Mafia: The Musical (Game Over)

[Regfan]

Eh not the answer I was expecting will reanslyse tonight

[yoncé]

Then I'd really fucking love for you to claim now instead of having everyone trust that you're both interpreting and communicating the subtleties of that role correctly and lynch me on that blind trust.

And it feels you've been hinting your role contradicts mine for forever now. I assumed you thought I was a different role earlier and that you were trying to tell everyone that me being cop/gov/lynchproof contradicted your role. I really doubt you knew I was bulletproof this whole time, and I'm just seeing this as you rolling with my claim as if you did so you can easily say you don't believe it.

[yoncé]

Yonce, who is your character?

Spike.

[yoncé]

Well then. This was not my intention.
However, I'm moving my vote to VOTE: egg.

Egg what do you disagree with about the Yonce cases?

That depends on what the Yonce cases are.

And yet you voted with no explanation.
Nope.

I'm really wary of this post. Of course I'm glad you're unvoting me but it feels like you're being too... fickle, or easy to convince, and it feels unnatural.

I'm okay with the Egg vote and I'm tempted to switch to that wagon just because another vote exists on it now. But that switch is making me paranoid.

[Bulbazak]

Not much had changed since Egg's power nap. The group was still as jumpy as ever. Even Dawn was beginning to feel it. At times she thought that someone was watching her, but that was just crazy. Right?

Vote Count

Medea the Alien (0):
Jesusbuddhavrishnathebest (1): Serrapaladin
Antihero (1): Boonskiies
F-16_Fighting_Falcon (0):
Egg (1): Eyestott
Serrapaladin (0):
Regfan (1): Yoncé
Boonskiies (1): Medea the Alien
Eyestott (0):
Murder of Crows (1): F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Mikuru (0):
Yoncé (4): Antihero, Jesusbuddhavrishnathebest, Regfan, Mikuru

Not Voting (2): Murder of Crows, Egg

It is day 2. With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends on Sunday, December 21 at 1:45pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-12-21 13:45:00).

[eyestott]

Well then. This was not my intention.
However, I'm moving my vote to VOTE: egg.

Egg what do you disagree with about the Yonce cases?

That depends on what the Yonce cases are.

And yet you voted with no explanation.
Nope.

I'm really wary of this post. Of course I'm glad you're unvoting me but it feels like you're being too... fickle, or easy to convince, and it feels unnatural.

I'm okay with the Egg vote and I'm tempted to switch to that wagon just because another vote exists on it now. But that switch is making me paranoid.

What? I have no reason not to believe you, so I unvoted you. I'm scumreading egg, so I voted egg.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Holy crap, I feel out of it. I somehow skipped Nacho's posts to me and about me in a mass of spam coming the Jesus-Buddha slot. Non-Nacho members of Jesus-Buddha, for fucks sake, stop spamming.

I have one project I need to finish and three Turing Machines to design and that's killing me so I'm going to re-read the game a bit from the point where I stopped to see what I missed.

[Egg]

Yonce, why do you say you were forced to claim at L-2?

Eye, are you saying I should have been willing to let a no lynch happen just because I still have 20 pages of mostly spam to sift through?

I believe the claim partly because of my own role. Don't feel like going into detail and it won't make sense to anyone but me right now, but that's where I stand on that.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

@ Nacho

, Re: Post 1556

1) I don't have an issue with AP claiming scum either. My problem is him trying to leverage it as a towntell when he later claims that his post would not come from scum. It actually reminded me of how he entered Tales when he posted an opening and insisted that the opening made him town.

2) Your response here doesn't address my issue with Ffery/Yonce interactions. I mentioned it in my reads list here:

Some things that make me think it is a Murder-Yonce partnership is Murder's Post 649 where they say "

If you guys do wind up lynching us, then I think you should take a really good look at this vote on day 2.

" in response to Yonce's vote on them whereas they previously had a townread on Riddleton's slot in Post 561. I agree that Yonce's vote was scummy but Murder's overall stance felt like forced distancing. This again doesn't match with their Riddleton/Yonce townread in Post 692 where they act like Yonce's vote never happened in the first place and there is no mention at all about it.

So, post 561, they had Yonce as town. When Yonce votes them, they say in post 649 that the vote needs to be looked at. Then in post 692, they continue to have Yonce as town.

Their thought process doesn't make any sense. Address this part. Also, there was a damn good chance that Murder would actually have been able to talk their way out of suspicion on D1. If that happened and Yonce flipped scum at some point, it would have made Murder look good to create the illusion that scum are jumping on their wagon.

3) How and why do you find the Antihero suspicion reasonable? The way Antihero is pushing his scumreads matched the way he pushed his reads in the most recent game I played with him (Serum and Steel). There are a few key difference from his play there but I hate how Ffery picked up on him not pushing her as hard as he did there because meta is progressive and she damn well knows that. She shouldn't expect a similar level of push. If someone was wrong about her before, she should expect a weaker, more hesitant push this time around if Antihero scumreads her again. In fact, if this was a repeat of Serum and Steel, it should be cause for concern. Ffery knows and understands that meta is progressive and this was actually one of the reasons I hate how she's interacting with Antihero.

4) I can buy Cabd/Penguin having suspicion of Ffery but getting cold feel when push comes to shove. I can understand Antihero's hesitancy. I'm still not entirely sure who was responsible for the no lynch.

[eyestott]

Yonce, why do you say you were forced to claim at L-2?

Eye, are you saying I should have been willing to let a no lynch happen just because I still have 20 pages of mostly spam to sift through?

I believe the claim partly because of my own role. Don't feel like going into detail and it won't make sense to anyone but me right now, but that's where I stand on that.

No lynch is better than mislynch. If you think a lynch is a mislynch, don't vote it.

[eyestott]

By the way, everyone. Some people think I have claimed, some people don't.
Look at my avatar. Look at the early posts I made containing pictures.
Look at where I mention the irony between my role and the abandoned cabin inthe woods game I played at Playdiplomacy.
I'm Marty.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

You're still getting lynched and I'm not about to disect flavor I don't know

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

VOTE: egg

guys, lets do this?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Crows' vote on you was one. I was 2. I mentioned earlier how Regfan and Crows has the same number of votes on them, which was 2, and that I wasn't going to switch over to the Crows lynch when Regfan was a better and just as well-supported lynch. In any other case I'd have been willing to compromise on Crows but not when the two players who I think have the worst reads in the game were there.

What happened to the theory that one of me, Regfan or Eyestott are scum with Crows and bussing and pre-emptively linking you to them to capitalize on a mislynch after the bus? On one hand you say that, on the other, you say that you won't vote Crows because we are voting there.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

I also guess I'll just not post ever tomorrow since all my content is nothing but spam

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I haven't posted a lot of analysis in this game, so I don't know what comparison you're drawing to the No Doctors game. Are you trying to tear down Nacho's defense of me here? Paint him as scum with me?

You claim that you now have a townread on me (a weak one apparently) but you are also insinuating that I'm "painting" Nacho as scum with you. Also, this accusation sucks. You've played enough with me to know that that's not how I would approach this gamestate. What scum-benefit would I get from pushing two strong players as scum simultaneously (besides potential WIFOM)?

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Non-Nacho members of Jesus-Buddha, for fucks sake, stop spamming.

I feel it is only appropriate that this gets its own post.

Fuck off.

First, the vast majority of posts, from all three heads, are content.
Second, I started posting again yesterday after being disengaged for a while because both other heads (THIS INCLUDES ST NACHO CAN I SUCK YOUR DICK OF TOWNINESS I BET IT TASTES LIKE CHEESE) were literally screaming at me to get back into the game.
Third, you are one of the few (only?) people to have actually addressed something specifically to me. You wanted me to start towning it up. Well, that's what I fucking did. I towned the shit out of yesterday.
Fourth, and this might be something you're struggling to grasp, this is not a solo-Nacho game. Nachomamma8 is not in this game. It's jesusbuddhavrishnathebest. If you can't handle that, then replace out. I really don't need people yelling at me to stop posting and my partners yelling at me to post more at the same fucking time.
Fifth, Mara's sick of this shit too. She's serious about stopping posting. You know what's going to happen? Nacho's going to yell at her for not posting.
Sixth, in case you forgot, fuck off.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

I shall now make each of my individual thoughts their own separate post. Why? Because that's what Nacho would do.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

That depends on what the Yonce cases are.

Play the fucking game or replace out.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Points about EyeStott

:

1) His read on GreyICE in Post 372 asking about GI's contradictory stance on Serra felt genuine and in general, I liked the build up to that post. It seemed like he wanted to contribute to the game and scumhunt and spent a lot of time trying to squeeze something out of nothing. I also liked the way he went against the grain on the HB slot and the uncertainty in the post didn't feel like scum whiteknighting. Specifically this part felt genuine:

Spoiler: HypotheticalBassists
I honestly dont see why youre so popular with the lynch votes. I think its probable for two partners to not share the same exact reads, and I believe that HB is being unfairly voted on as a result. You cant expect two people to have the exact same viewpoints, just because theyre on the same team.

2) Post 387 felt more like a reaction from town that was criticized for their real reads than scum that got rightfully caught because their fake reads weren't up to snuff.

3) Post 429 felt genuine and a post unlikely to come from scum. I think scum would be more likely to just post whatever they can fake i.e. if Eyestott is scum, he could certainly make a few more fake reads like he did in his wall. And I like the insistence that people ask him questions. Less motive for scum to do that as it increases likelihood of getting caught.

4) Post 620 where he unvotes Boonskiies after Boonskiies voted him felt like he was genuinely trying to read Boon. It would have been easy for scum to continue to push back as it would give them something to do - and Eyestott really, really needed something to do.

5) His questioning of Boonskiies in Post 967, Post 971 and Post 973 felt like genuine scumhunting. It is not the strongest tell but I felt like he was trying to sort Boonskiies beyond just going through the motions.

I'm sorry, I truely am. If you want to lynch me, okay, I can't stop you.But above everything, I apologise for my recent inactivity.
When I flip town, though, take a close look at the flash wagon on me.

This fatalism felt town.

However, as soon as MoC votes me, she places a naked, still unexplained vote on me. She also misspells my name in the exact way that MoC did, which doesnt really indicate that the vote is thought out, or made after ISOing me.

I think this observation is rather unlikely to come from scum.

There are a couple of things that made me second guess this read while reading his ISO though:

1) He says in Post 620 that he liked how Boonskiies laid out his thought process. He then says he is fine with a Boonskiies lynch in Post 858 saying that Boonskiies hasn't been all that helpful and I can't follow a coherent thought process here but I do see that Boonskiies hasn't posted much in the interim between his Istott push and this post. I also disliked Post 964 where the "You're very quickly becoming my vote." feels like a threat/telegraphing stance changes unnaturally.

2) I agree with Jesus-Buddha and Regfan about overplaying the newbie card but I don't think it is entirely inaccurate if he's only played one game here years ago and a few offsite. I haven't been able to find the offsite games as I got confused by the menus but if you can link me to one of them, that'll be awesome.

3) I dislike that the amount of actual scumhunting feels minimal and I would have expected that after GreyICE, the source of his demotivation left the game that he would have been more engaged.

Overall, it is not the strongest read but I still think he's more likely town than scum.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

I'm a Town 1 Shot Bulletproof.

Thanks for forcing me to claim. It was hard enough trying to fake "thinks she's being more subtle than she is with softclaims" trying to bait a nightkill for being a different PR. But I guess seeing as I'm a compromise lynch now (over eyestott and Egg, really? I mean I recognize Regfan is a townread to some but Egg's hop was horrible and I don't get what's suddenly so good about eyes) I'm never probably going to be able to draw a NK anyway.

Also, my Role PM makes it clear that there are ways to die other than being shot [that my vest won't save me from]. It was like angel means you can be immune from normal weapons so basically bulletproof but not unkillable. I was hesitant to suggest it earlier because I think it could throw things off-course but I think that means arsonist, especially in Buffyland.

I wonder what Regfan has to say about this?

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Well then. This was not my intention.
However, I'm moving my vote to VOTE: egg.

Egg what do you disagree with about the Yonce cases?

That depends on what the Yonce cases are.

And yet you voted with no explanation.
Nope.

Oh look this guy is still scum.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Read the claim I don't buy it. If true would mean my role was always designed to be useless which I doubt heavily.

So that's what Regfan thinks!

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Actually waiting on bulbs response to something.

Or is it?

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Eh not the answer I was expecting will reanslyse tonight

Oh so we don't know what Regfan thinks!