Mini 1624: Joss Whedon Mafia: The Musical (Game Over)

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

I've developed my own townread on Regfan btw for his soft cc.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

What? I have no reason not to believe you, so I unvoted you. I'm scumreading egg, so I voted egg.

this guy

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Non-Nacho members of Jesus-Buddha, for fucks sake, stop spamming.

I feel it is only appropriate that this gets its own post.

Fuck off.

First, the vast majority of posts, from all three heads, are content.
Second, I started posting again yesterday after being disengaged for a while because both other heads (THIS INCLUDES ST NACHO CAN I SUCK YOUR DICK OF TOWNINESS I BET IT TASTES LIKE CHEESE) were literally screaming at me to get back into the game.
Third, you are one of the few (only?) people to have actually addressed something specifically to me. You wanted me to start towning it up. Well, that's what I fucking did. I towned the shit out of yesterday.
Fourth, and this might be something you're struggling to grasp, this is not a solo-Nacho game. Nachomamma8 is not in this game. It's jesusbuddhavrishnathebest. If you can't handle that, then replace out. I really don't need people yelling at me to stop posting and my partners yelling at me to post more at the same fucking time.
Fifth, Mara's sick of this shit too. She's serious about stopping posting. You know what's going to happen? Nacho's going to yell at her for not posting.
Sixth, in case you forgot, fuck off.

Gotta keep things chronological!

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Yonce, why do you say you were forced to claim at L-2?

Eye, are you saying I should have been willing to let a no lynch happen just because I still have 20 pages of mostly spam to sift through?

I believe the claim partly because of my own role. Don't feel like going into detail and it won't make sense to anyone but me right now, but that's where I stand on that.

No lynch is better than mislynch. If you think a lynch is a mislynch, don't vote it.

This is stupid. No lynching just gives scum a free kill.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

By the way, everyone. Some people think I have claimed, some people don't.
Look at my avatar. Look at the early posts I made containing pictures.
Look at where I mention the irony between my role and the abandoned cabin inthe woods game I played at Playdiplomacy.
I'm Marty.

No one fucking cares.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

I also guess I'll just not post ever tomorrow since all my content is nothing but spam

It's okay I'll post enough for all of us.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

There was that better? Nacho'd it up real nice for you.

[eyestott]

http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/view ... 06&t=47094
This here is a game (ongoing, but I've been lynched) from Playdip.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/view ... 06&t=47094
This here is a game (ongoing, but I've been lynched) from Playdip.

Why should we care?

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Points about EyeStott

:

1) His read on GreyICE in Post 372 asking about GI's contradictory stance on Serra felt genuine and in general, I liked the build up to that post. It seemed like he wanted to contribute to the game and scumhunt and spent a lot of time trying to squeeze something out of nothing. I also liked the way he went against the grain on the HB slot and the uncertainty in the post didn't feel like scum whiteknighting. Specifically this part felt genuine:

Spoiler: HypotheticalBassists
I honestly dont see why youre so popular with the lynch votes. I think its probable for two partners to not share the same exact reads, and I believe that HB is being unfairly voted on as a result. You cant expect two people to have the exact same viewpoints, just because theyre on the same team.

2) Post 387 felt more like a reaction from town that was criticized for their real reads than scum that got rightfully caught because their fake reads weren't up to snuff.

3) Post 429 felt genuine and a post unlikely to come from scum. I think scum would be more likely to just post whatever they can fake i.e. if Eyestott is scum, he could certainly make a few more fake reads like he did in his wall. And I like the insistence that people ask him questions. Less motive for scum to do that as it increases likelihood of getting caught.

4) Post 620 where he unvotes Boonskiies after Boonskiies voted him felt like he was genuinely trying to read Boon. It would have been easy for scum to continue to push back as it would give them something to do - and Eyestott really, really needed something to do.

5) His questioning of Boonskiies in Post 967, Post 971 and Post 973 felt like genuine scumhunting. It is not the strongest tell but I felt like he was trying to sort Boonskiies beyond just going through the motions.

I'm sorry, I truely am. If you want to lynch me, okay, I can't stop you.But above everything, I apologise for my recent inactivity.
When I flip town, though, take a close look at the flash wagon on me.

This fatalism felt town.

However, as soon as MoC votes me, she places a naked, still unexplained vote on me. She also misspells my name in the exact way that MoC did, which doesnt really indicate that the vote is thought out, or made after ISOing me.

I think this observation is rather unlikely to come from scum.

There are a couple of things that made me second guess this read while reading his ISO though:

1) He says in Post 620 that he liked how Boonskiies laid out his thought process. He then says he is fine with a Boonskiies lynch in Post 858 saying that Boonskiies hasn't been all that helpful and I can't follow a coherent thought process here but I do see that Boonskiies hasn't posted much in the interim between his Istott push and this post. I also disliked Post 964 where the "You're very quickly becoming my vote." feels like a threat/telegraphing stance changes unnaturally.

2) I agree with Jesus-Buddha and Regfan about overplaying the newbie card but I don't think it is entirely inaccurate if he's only played one game here years ago and a few offsite. I haven't been able to find the offsite games as I got confused by the menus but if you can link me to one of them, that'll be awesome.

3) I dislike that the amount of actual scumhunting feels minimal and I would have expected that after GreyICE, the source of his demotivation left the game that he would have been more engaged.

Overall, it is not the strongest read but I still think he's more likely town than scum.

Oh a big wall. Oh my I don't think my little spambrain can handle all of this CONTENT and THOUGHT. Where o where is Nacho to save me?
*clutches pearls*
*faints daintily*

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/view ... 06&t=47094
This here is a game (ongoing, but I've been lynched) from Playdip.

Why should we care?

Oh so F16 can look at meta from one game. My bad!

[eyestott]

What? I have no reason not to believe you, so I unvoted you. I'm scumreading egg, so I voted egg.

this guy

What?

Yonce, why do you say you were forced to claim at L-2?

Eye, are you saying I should have been willing to let a no lynch happen just because I still have 20 pages of mostly spam to sift through?

I believe the claim partly because of my own role. Don't feel like going into detail and it won't make sense to anyone but me right now, but that's where I stand on that.

No lynch is better than mislynch. If you think a lynch is a mislynch, don't vote it.

This is stupid. No lynching just gives scum a free kill.

Yeah, but mislynching gives the scum two free kills.

By the way, everyone. Some people think I have claimed, some people don't.
Look at my avatar. Look at the early posts I made containing pictures.
Look at where I mention the irony between my role and the abandoned cabin inthe woods game I played at Playdiplomacy.
I'm Marty.

No one fucking cares.

Well, they do. IIRC, your hydra asked Medea about how I claimed. No need to be a douche about it.

http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/view ... 06&t=47094
This here is a game (ongoing, but I've been lynched) from Playdip.

Why should we care?

Because F16 asked me to link a game from Playdip. Again, no need to be rude.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Yeah, but mislynching gives the scum two free kills.

Do you

know

which players are town? If so please enlighten.

Well, they do. IIRC, your hydra asked Medea about how I claimed. No need to be a douche about it.

I can guarantee you that 0 people in this game care about your flavor.

Because F16 asked me to link a game from Playdip. Again, no need to be rude.

Yeah I probably did go a bit overboard. Sorry about that. It's been a bad day and seeing the "heads that aren't Nacho need to shut up" bullshit again really set me off.

[Murder of Crows]

I haven't posted a lot of analysis in this game, so I don't know what comparison you're drawing to the No Doctors game. Are you trying to tear down Nacho's defense of me here? Paint him as scum with me?

You claim that you now have a townread on me (a weak one apparently) but you are also insinuating that I'm "painting" Nacho as scum with you. Also, this accusation sucks. You've played enough with me to know that that's not how I would approach this gamestate. What scum-benefit would I get from pushing two strong players as scum simultaneously (besides potential WIFOM)?

I'm trying very hard to make this post with transparency, and in the mindframe that I've wanted to hold on to when I played with you our last couple of games. I think the mindframe bugs you, but it's how I want to play despite that, because I think it has the potential to be a more effective way of working with you in games.

I am paranoid about all sorts of stuff in this game. One of the things I'm paranoid about is your read of me. And I did feel like there was that implication in something you posted - that Nacho's read of me was somehow improbable and suspect for it. Maybe what you were actually conveying was that it was improbable and you strongly disagree, without the "suspect for it" underlayer.

One of my other small flickers of paranoia is that Nacho's read of me actually is improbable.

I mean either there is town-me-mindset in my posts that comes through all the crap and detritus, or there isn't.

And you two see my play very differently. I want to trust Nacho because he's right. I want to distrust you because you're wrong. And on another level I know that Nacho has an uncanny ability to get inside my head in games. He uses this to great advantage when he's scum. Right now, I don't feel at all like he's trying to play me. I feel like he's trying to get me to stay engaged and keep playing and not float off into apathy or venom. And that feels like a very town thing to be doing.

That's what it comes down to. And the attitude of trusting people who know me well and are townreading me and distrusting people who aren't is a ridiculously naive way to be thinking about the game, especially given how harshly I'm judging my own play here.

To the extent I can discount angst, anger, general pissyness, I'm trying to read past it and just see your stances for what they are.

I don't want to be a late game mislynch. If I'm going to be mislynched I'd rather it happen sooner rather than later. Seeing this game day get all choppy and chancy again saps my will to live.

I'll be over in my corner, awaiting another lecture from Nacho.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Oh right
UNVOTE:
VOTE: yonce
Even if Regfan's soft cc no longer applies, I still think she's scum.

[eyestott]

Yeah, but mislynching gives the scum two free kills.

Do you

know

which players are town? If so please enlighten.

Well, they do. IIRC, your hydra asked Medea about how I claimed. No need to be a douche about it.

I can guarantee you that 0 people in this game care about your flavor.

Because F16 asked me to link a game from Playdip. Again, no need to be rude.

Yeah I probably did go a bit overboard. Sorry about that. It's been a bad day and seeing the "heads that aren't Nacho need to shut up" bullshit again really set me off.

1: no, but if I think someone is town, I'm not gonna vote to lynch them just for the sake of not no voting.
2: I was revealing. I was showing that I had soft revealed through the game.
3: I understand being in a bad mood affecting your mafia game.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

1. You're not that good at reading people. No one is. Except maybe Glork.
2. But it literally

does not matter

.

[eyestott]

1. You're not that good at reading people. No one is. Except maybe Glork.
2. But it literally

does not matter

.

1: who is your strongest townread?
2: I never said it did, i forgot to mention in that post that I'm a VT.

[Murder of Crows]

So, post 561, they had Yonce as town. When Yonce votes them, they say in post 649 that the vote needs to be looked at. Then in post 692, they continue to have Yonce as town. Their thought process doesn't make any sense. Address this part. Also, there was a damn good chance that Murder would actually have been able to talk their way out of suspicion on D1. If that happened and Yonce flipped scum at some point, it would have made Murder look good to create the illusion that scum are jumping on their wagon.

I've said this a couple of times, but maybe a timeline will help.

Post 646 I said that I was having a hard time getting my head back into the game. Part of the reason was trying to keep up with who replaced into which slot.

Post 649 was a kneejerk reaction to the vote timing and that it was purely a play on comments Anti and I had exchanged about "yep lolscum", nothing about why I was scum. I had no idea in that moment what slot yonce was in. I was posting rapidfire and top-of-my-brain because I kinda thought I was about to be run all the way up and lynched in the next few hours That's how the game felt to me at the time. That's not long before I finally got some thread-time with Medea and started spitting out reads.

Look at 692. When I was working through ISOs, I remembered/relearned that yonce was in the riddleton slot, and I softened that read.

[Bulbazak]

I can't believe I have to say this, but no talking about ongoing games.

[eyestott]

Oh crap, I didn't think.

[eyestott]

I didn't know that just linking to a game was wrong, however.
Won't happen again.

[Egg]

Yonce, why do you say you were forced to claim at L-2?

Eye, are you saying I should have been willing to let a no lynch happen just because I still have 20 pages of mostly spam to sift through?

I believe the claim partly because of my own role. Don't feel like going into detail and it won't make sense to anyone but me right now, but that's where I stand on that.

No lynch is better than mislynch. If you think a lynch is a mislynch, don't vote it.

I don't trust my reads nearly as much as you think I do. Even if I did, you are only right if Yonce doesn't end up lynched later on.

 also guess I'll just not post ever tomorrow since all my content is nothing but spam

It's about the volume, not the content. If you were more concise, I'd be able to grasp what you are actually saying a lot better. I also wouldn't be 20 pages behind.

[Regfan]

Nachohydrapeeps, I think what you guys need to understand is that you're now almost nearing 400 posts, that's a lot of posts over a short period and it's making it really fucking hard to keep up with the game which in turn means when I do get caught up and so do others we have less time and energy to make a real post with reads and thoughts, just hone it in a bit (All of you, not talking to specific people) for the sake of the game.

I really want Yonces "other ways to die" thing in Post 1842 expanded upon.

More confident Egg is town after his recentposting. Not feeling as confident on Eye leaning town anymore - the "we dont want to mslynch, no lynch is better" looks contrived, he's not new enough to really believe that argument and it looks very much "for show" ie. "I don't want to hurt an innocent!". Actually not as confident that F-16 is town as I should be too, when I'm focused I need to do a proper ISO of him here.

Might as well stop beating around the bushes and claim; I'm a Universal-Backup (Echo was my flavour name), I take the first PR to dies role and only have whatever abilities they haven't used to play with, can you guess my current role??? Existence of my role and the explanation of what Antoles was (Not fully going into this for now) was what also pointed towards Boons claim being highly legitimate since it would fit with me "taking unused abilities" and it seems fairly wacky based on Antoles role. First read Yonces soft-claim as a mason/cop ect. type claim which 100% does not fit with my role. Absolutely no chance of a IC + Mason/Cop + Backup + Inventor + JOAT + Possibly more. BP also does not really fit with my claim - the one hesitation I have though is I asked Bulb if Serra was the first PR to have died would I have became an IC (I'd assumed no because 2 IC's in a game is kind of silly) but the answer is weirdly yes. So yeah, still think Yonce is scum, less-so because of his claim and more-so because of his play. MoC is also still scum but I'm getting to the point where I'm just ready to be NK'ed and watch Nacho hand them the game, will probably make one final attempt at explaining to him where he's misreading her tomorrow and that'll be it.

Aww that's just L-1. Why you gotta play me like that Reggie?

I didn't play anyone like anything, just voted in case my prior one didn't count, thought I made that fairly obvious?

[serrapaladin]

How would people feel about a massclaim?