Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

[Mathdino]

Because I'm bored:

1. ProHawk investigated ika.
mollie protects ProHawk.
Fenix and I both investigate ProHawk.
Suppose we take a shot in the dark and lynch DGB.

Results:
If scum kill ika, they do our lynch for us. If scum kill either me or Fenix, the other can still confirm ProHawk. If scum kill mollie, we have both ProHawk and ika as conftown.
This covers for instances in which ProHawk, ika, and DGB are scum. Left to confirm are {mollie, Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}. If mollie dies and flips town we have simply {Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}, at which point we can no lynch and have both of us check eyestott or each other. Scum would presumably kill ProHawk. From my standpoint, this either confirms eyestott as scum or leaves Fenix as scum, but isn't so great for eyestott and ika. Hmm.

Just rambling, there's probably a better way. Thinking this through.

a zero world exists where I am going to protect prohawk.

How bout the one where we can confirm him as town/scum the day after?

[Mathdino]

The key to this is going to be having mollie protect one of our investigation targets.

The problem last night for me is I happened to investigate the guy who died.

[Mathdino]

What if Fenix and I investigate each other, and mollie flips a coin between protecting either of us? Even if scum is between me and Fenix, they'd be forced to off mollie or risk a nokill and then we'd have 2 conftown investigators along with ProHawk's result. ProHawk doesn't need to out anything.

ProHawk, please confirm whether or not you investigated in {me, Fenix}.

[pirate mollie]

Because I'm bored:

1. ProHawk investigated ika.
mollie protects ProHawk.
Fenix and I both investigate ProHawk.
Suppose we take a shot in the dark and lynch DGB.

Results:
If scum kill ika, they do our lynch for us. If scum kill either me or Fenix, the other can still confirm ProHawk. If scum kill mollie, we have both ProHawk and ika as conftown.
This covers for instances in which ProHawk, ika, and DGB are scum. Left to confirm are {mollie, Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}. If mollie dies and flips town we have simply {Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}, at which point we can no lynch and have both of us check eyestott or each other. Scum would presumably kill ProHawk. From my standpoint, this either confirms eyestott as scum or leaves Fenix as scum, but isn't so great for eyestott and ika. Hmm.

Just rambling, there's probably a better way. Thinking this through.

no.

how about you walk me through the progression of how prohawk moved to a townread when he has not made it clear how exactly his role works and given ample time to do so whilst witholding his result?

a zero world exists where I am going to protect prohawk.

How bout the one where we can confirm him as town/scum the day after?

[pirate mollie]

Because I'm bored:

1. ProHawk investigated ika.
mollie protects ProHawk.
Fenix and I both investigate ProHawk.
Suppose we take a shot in the dark and lynch DGB.

Results:
If scum kill ika, they do our lynch for us. If scum kill either me or Fenix, the other can still confirm ProHawk. If scum kill mollie, we have both ProHawk and ika as conftown.
This covers for instances in which ProHawk, ika, and DGB are scum. Left to confirm are {mollie, Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}. If mollie dies and flips town we have simply {Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}, at which point we can no lynch and have both of us check eyestott or each other. Scum would presumably kill ProHawk. From my standpoint, this either confirms eyestott as scum or leaves Fenix as scum, but isn't so great for eyestott and ika. Hmm.

Just rambling, there's probably a better way. Thinking this through.

a zero world exists where I am going to protect prohawk.

How bout the one where we can confirm him as town/scum the day after?

no.

how about you walk me through the progression of how prohawk moved to a townread when he has not made it clear how exactly his role works and given ample time to do so whilst witholding his result?

/fixed.

[pirate mollie]

What if Fenix and I investigate each other, and mollie flips a coin between protecting either of us? Even if scum is between me and Fenix, they'd be forced to off mollie or risk a nokill and then we'd have 2 conftown investigators along with ProHawk's result. ProHawk doesn't need to out anything.

ProHawk, please confirm whether or not you investigated in {me, Fenix}.

he shld have investigated me, yanno his top scumread who is not an easy mislynch?why were neither you nor him targeted last night? scum went for the person who cld block their nk not for the investigative role.

[DrippingGoofball]

Suppose we take a shot in the dark and lynch DGB.

Your calculations are wrong then.

Check your inputs.

Someone is lying.

[Mathdino]

Why does it matter to you then what order we find out he's scum?

Possible plan then:
Lynch ika today.
You self protect.
Scum will presumably take out ProHawk since his investigation is due.
Fenix and I investigate, say, DGB.
No matter who dies, DGB is confirmed. Then if scum leave ProHawk alive, his investigation target is confirmed as well.

The problem is this gains much less information.

[Mathdino]

Suppose we take a shot in the dark and lynch DGB.

Your calculations are wrong then.

Check your inputs.

Someone is lying.

I'll go full eyestott here:

DGB: VT
ika: Death Miller
eyestott: 1-shot Miller (to cops)
mollie: Doc
Fenix: Cop (?)
Mathdino: Gunsmith
ProHawk: Ultimate Cop

Our job is to come up with something that allows us to confirm everyone's alignment.

[Mathdino]

So who/what do you suggest, DGB?

[pirate mollie]

a doc can't self-protect on this site.

and you keep ignoring everything I am bringing up about prohawk.

you seem like you are trying to give him an out for no apparent reason like he did not claim odd night delayed ultimate cop. and if that is what he claimed I say lynch him cos he is fucking useless given the current gamestate and stands a 75% chance right that it is a scum fakeclaim. his antagonism is misplaced like it is completely out of nowhere why are you defending him but not trying to seem like you are defending him.

I don't like backtracking on my townreads but dino you are not making sense right now!

if my paranoia is misplaced then I am sorry but you are being uber confusing!

[Mathdino]

I'm defending him because if we're going to lynch him, I'd prefer it be after he gives a result. I'm willing to compromise on that since

we have 3 lynches left

. 3 lynches and 2 NK flips.

We have time, mollie. We can absolutely confirm his alignment by tomorrow (we can doubly confirm his alignment if he claims a guilty on a townie, we can just lynch between them).

It's not so much defending him as "Leave him the fuck alone for now, if he's scum he'll die soon enough."

[eyestott]

Yeah. We can lynch Prohawk tomorrow.
I'm all for no lynches. At least until we've gotten as much night info as possible.

[Mathdino]

Meh. If we're gonna lynch it should be in {ika, DGB} IMO. ika as partially policy.

Lynching reduces the number of people we have to confirm. Furthermore there's no negative utility since they don't have abilities.

If it were up to me, lynch ika and have someone check DGB.

[eyestott]

Oh, that's a good point.
By the way, why exactly am I universally townread?

[eyestott]

Well, at least, why do I seem to be.

[pirate mollie]

I'm defending him because if we're going to lynch him, I'd prefer it be after he gives a result. I'm willing to compromise on that since

we have 3 lynches left

. 3 lynches and 2 NK flips.

We have time, mollie. We can absolutely confirm his alignment by tomorrow (we can doubly confirm his alignment if he claims a guilty on a townie, we can just lynch between them).

It's not so much defending him as "Leave him the fuck alone for now, if he's scum he'll die soon enough."

he shld by his own claim have given a result TODAY unless you think he is ultimate delayed odd night cop.

which I do not buy.

eyesore ffs plz be useful.

[eyestott]

I'm waiting on eddiefenix. I'll do my viability thing tomorrow.
THEN YOULL ALL BE SORRY

[eyestott]

Also, why do you keep calling me eyesore?

[pirate mollie]

Meh. If we're gonna lynch it should be in {ika, DGB} IMO. ika as partially policy.

Lynching reduces the number of people we have to confirm. Furthermore there's no negative utility since they don't have abilities.

If it were up to me, lynch ika and have someone check DGB.

I am not lynching dgb cos according to hawk I worship her and I am not 1 for a pl at this stage of the game.

I am going to make REALLY simple:

do you think that prohawk is an ultimate delayed odd night cop

[] yes
[] no

[pirate mollie]

Also, why do you keep calling me eyesore?

I tend to come up with nicknames with people so I can orient them inside my head. eyesore just fit, not that you are an actual eyesore but it is what sprung to mind when I read your username as eyestott

[Mathdino]

Meh. If we're gonna lynch it should be in {ika, DGB} IMO. ika as partially policy.

Lynching reduces the number of people we have to confirm. Furthermore there's no negative utility since they don't have abilities.

If it were up to me, lynch ika and have someone check DGB.

I am not lynching dgb cos according to hawk I worship her and I am not 1 for a pl at this stage of the game.

I am going to make REALLY simple:

do you think that prohawk is an ultimate delayed odd night cop

[] yes
[] no

This 'stage' of the game is one where we have 7 players and 1 scum.
We could RANDOM LYNCH and have a 55% chance of winning the game.

Regardless, I don't think he's an odd night cop specifically but I think there's a cooldown mechanic or something if he's town.

mollie it's not like we're going for a perfect win here. Why are you so deadset on lynching ProHawk TODAY, RIGHT NOW (correct me if you're not) when we can instantly confirm him by tomorrow AND get a cop result?

I refuse to lynch a PR when we could still get information out of them.

[pirate mollie]

somehow you missed in that post how I am directly asking you if you believe in prohawk's ultimate delayed odd night cop claim.

it was a yes or no question.

[Mathdino]

Alright so we have different groups going on here:

mollie-Doc

Almost definitely going to die tonight.

ika, DGB, eyestott - non PRs

ProHawk, Fenix and I can confirm these. Also should be our lynchpool.

ProHawk, Dino, Fenix - investigatives

Gonna have to confirm each other.

So here's a general plan:

1. ProHawk is investigating in {Dino, Fenix}.
If he investigates me, I'll take Fenix and Fenix can take ProHawk. We're all confirmed, mollie's dead, and we just have to lynch in the non PRs to win. If he investigates Fenix, I'll take ProHawk and Fenix takes me. Same story.

2. ProHawk is investigating mollie.
Kinda useless since she'll die anyway. Fenix and I can investigate each other, ProHawk should investigate a non PR. Then Fenix and I are semi confirmed and we can get to working out the rest.

3. ProHawk is investigating in {ika, DGB, eyestott}
Optimal. Fenix and I investigate each other, we lynch in the 2 that ProHawk won't get a result on, mollie protects the one he DOES get a result on, then Fenix and I can check ProHawk and lynch the last unconfirmed person in the pool.

So we've actually got this solved barring the existence of a godfather.

Edit: He never claimed 'odd night' so that's kind of a loaded question. If he's town, I believe he's an ultimate cop that investigates over 2 nights.
See, mollie, you don't understand where I'm coming from here. I don't really care whether I believe it, because we can confirm him no matter what in the next couple of days. I have no need to develop an opinion right now.
The claim itself? Sure I believe it.
Am I scumreading him outside the claim? Sure.
Does any of this matter? Nope.

[eyestott]

Godfather seems plausible.