↑ Murder of Crows wrote:I'm trying very hard to make this post with transparency, and in the mindframe that I've wanted to hold on to when I played with you our last couple of games. I think the mindframe bugs you, but it's how I want to play despite that, because I think it has the potential to be a more effective way of working with you in games.
↑ Murder of Crows wrote:I am paranoid about all sorts of stuff in this game. One of the things I'm paranoid about is your read of me. And I did feel like there was that implication in something you posted - that Nacho's read of me was somehow improbable and suspect for it. Maybe what you were actually conveying was that it was improbable and you strongly disagree, without the "suspect for it" underlayer. One of my other small flickers of paranoia is that Nacho's read of me actually is improbable.
↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:↑ Murder of Crows wrote:I'm trying very hard to make this post with transparency, and in the mindframe that I've wanted to hold on to when I played with you our last couple of games. I think the mindframe bugs you, but it's how I want to play despite that, because I think it has the potential to be a more effective way of working with you in games.
Rephrase this for me. What mindframe? I'm reading it as "my mindframe bugs you but I feel I can work better with you (by bugging you)" but I'm pretty sure that's not what you are trying to say. And FFX didn't work out particularly well although I would say there was fault from both ends.
↑ Murder of Crows wrote:I am paranoid about all sorts of stuff in this game. One of the things I'm paranoid about is your read of me. And I did feel like there was that implication in something you posted - that Nacho's read of me was somehow improbable and suspect for it. Maybe what you were actually conveying was that it was improbable and you strongly disagree, without the "suspect for it" underlayer. One of my other small flickers of paranoia is that Nacho's read of me actually is improbable.
↑ fferyllt wrote:↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:↑ Murder of Crows wrote:I'm trying very hard to make this post with transparency, and in the mindframe that I've wanted to hold on to when I played with you our last couple of games. I think the mindframe bugs you, but it's how I want to play despite that, because I think it has the potential to be a more effective way of working with you in games.
Rephrase this for me. What mindframe? I'm reading it as "my mindframe bugs you but I feel I can work better with you (by bugging you)" but I'm pretty sure that's not what you are trying to say. And FFX didn't work out particularly well although I would say there was fault from both ends.
FFX didn't work out great, but it was working out differently than some of our other recent games. And you died on N1. Might have worked out better with more time
It's a near-term vs long-term thing. I think it makes it a little harder for you to pattern-match my play in this game. I'm not at a point where I feel like I can be rock solid sure you're town and just trust that you'll eventually get this read right. Sometimes I can make that leap and even though I'm not rock solid sure, it's close enough for rock and roll. I'm anticipating that it's going to happen here, but I'm hesitant. I'm trying to interact with you like that level of trust is already there from my side, in part to see if my gut already trusts.
If this were a 100% intentionally kicked off process/decision, I'd probably have backed off here and thought maybe another game. But, it's a mindset thing.
That sounds like a lot of woo.
There are players that I feel like our mutual reads will reach in-thread-mason level of assurance sometimes. When I'm being misread by them but feel sure they're town, I take a leap of faith that we'll get past that and be able to cooperate and work together. And that trust leads to transparency in my interactions, intent, and read of them.
Ive felt like you and I, even when we're townreading each other, don't get to that point of cooperation usually. In FFX I was pushing for that to happen on day 1. I believe it can happen, but there's not a lot of evidence for it in our prior games.
↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
↑ Murder of Crows wrote:I am paranoid about all sorts of stuff in this game. One of the things I'm paranoid about is your read of me. And I did feel like there was that implication in something you posted - that Nacho's read of me was somehow improbable and suspect for it. Maybe what you were actually conveying was that it was improbable and you strongly disagree, without the "suspect for it" underlayer. One of my other small flickers of paranoia is that Nacho's read of me actually is improbable.
I lean town on Nacho and his play here feels a lot different than FFX and more involved and engaged. I won't discount scum-Nacho defending you though regardless of your alignment because that's what he has to do. I also don't discount town-Nacho misreading scum-you because that's one of Nacho's biggest flaws/(or strength depending on how you look at it) as a player - he can often correctly read players he knows as town nearly 100% of the time but doesn't always nail them as scum i.e. he is quick to townread.
He is quick to townread. But he's excellent at reviewing, starting over, and reevaluating. I think that's his real strength as town. I've seen this in our hydra games when we're alive long enough to look back from three days into the game.
That was my biggest challenge in the Nati game you're thinking of, but my ability to withstand that review process wasn't really tested due to his time constraints.
↑ jesusbuddhavrishnathebest wrote:I actually find myself getting paranoid of him again (but don't tell Mara so hopefully she skims my posts?) since I can't remember a post from him in forever and a half and generally that's a sign of Antihero-scum and Antihero-scum alone.
↑ F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:What's bullshit?
↑ jesusbuddhavrishnathebest wrote:21 hours
Can we just fucking lynch yonce?
On a related note, my Medea townread is plummeting.
↑ fferyllt wrote:The new blood in this game should have made things awesome for town, given how many of them replaced into slots I read as town. And that's where I think my responsibility factors in. I've been a huge distraction. If I can't shift some opinions, and so far I haven't made so much as a dent, it's not a case of if, but of when.
↑ jesusbuddhavrishnathebest wrote:But: if Cabd is scum, which he probably is, Egg probably is not his partner. Who is the third?
↑ Murder of Crows wrote:↑ jesusbuddhavrishnathebest wrote:But: if Cabd is scum, which he probably is, Egg probably is not his partner. Who is the third?
I don't know. Maybe Mikuru.
I'm not convinced yonce is scum. Willing to vote her but don't feel great about it.
↑ jesusbuddhavrishnathebest wrote:This site is too big to use meta correctly. That does not mean it's impossible to use meta correctly. A significant amount of meta defense comes from my side because you aren't looking into ffery's scum motivations versus town motivations at all: how many times did you use the same "motivation" in your big case wall versus "feels fake as fuck?". Meta is good when you are intimately familiar with a player. Meta is good when you understand what is fake and what is not. I am telling you that my experience with ffery puts me in a better position to read her because I understand her tendencies far better than you do: if you want to dance the motivation dance I'm happy to be your partner but you have to understand your case didn't address motivations at all (except maybe in the Yonce/Ffery both voting eyesott around the same time).
↑ serrapaladin wrote:How would people feel about a massclaim?