Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

[Riddleton]

I can't comprehend a 'town way of thinking'
Please explain more, your argument's slipping.
I don't vote a guy for his logic failing
But when anti-town, self meta is flailing.

Swag's new, please understand so
For him to be scum would make my heart woe
His playstyle is genuine and oh so real
For newbie scum to do this would be surreal

[Riddleton]

Why point this out, it a helpful tip?
Or is this a stealthy scumread of Grib?

My friend, I hope you understand
that I scumread Grib, I must demand
You should know I'm not entirely sober
But even I can see Grib's a scummy voter

Abstaining from my wagon dodging he is
Avoiding mislynches, to answer the quiz
His votes are ever so crummy
And that's why I think he's really scummy

RVS has ended, you should know
So a random vote on Green is so "No"!
I ask you vote for Grib, please, within a pinch
or vote elle, if you think she should face the lynch

[Mathdino]

Hmm, actually, not a bad sell.
With that I think that I will
VOTE: elle

[CorpsesInEthanol]

Hmm, actually, not a bad sell.
With that I think that I will
VOTE: elle

The hydra slip count is starting to soar
With my new epic fail the number's now 4.

[Riddleton]

VOTE: Kaboose

Because no one else did

This is really scummy, too. Wanting to continue RVS with... a self vote? Really?

[Grib]

I'm not trying to prolong RVS, it's just that I already have reads on the people who are or have been active. I don't want to vote for any of them. The points raised against elle and Kaboose are meh.

I'll just wait until people return from their holidays.

[Armageddon]

Vote count
Day 1.1

Players alive: 13

Players needed to lynch: 7

elleheathen

- 2 - Riddleton, CorpsesInEthanol - (L-5)

Green Crayons

- 1 - Grib - (L-6)

Hannibal6

- 1 - I Love Fairies - (L-6)

Kaboose

- 1 - Kaboose - (L-6)

Riddleton

- 3 - Green Crayons, awesomeusername, NJAC - (L-4)

RubikAshtray

- 1 - Whatisswag - (L-6)

Whatisswag

- 1 - Hannibal6 - (L-6)

Players not voting: davesaz, elleheathen, RubikAshtray

Deadline is in

(expired on 2015-01-14 20:45:00)

[I Love Fairies]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _Anti-town

"So, yeah, using all the time is anti-town. So are speed lynches with no real analysis of the day - but at least everyone seems to understand *that*."

From the link you provided. The second sentence is something that I guess you didn't manage to read.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... nfirmation

"The results prove this tell to not be particularly reliable."
"As of 12/29/10, this Tell is considered by the author to be Null."

Have you actually read the links you provided?

And this too: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _be_Random

This one seems kind of irrelevant to your argument, tbh. Not sure why you posted this link.

Twas the night before Christmas and all through the thread
There was voting at random to see who'd wind up dead
Scum was lining their lynches for the beginning with care
Maybe even by putting a vote on someone who was not yet there...

VOTE: whatisswag

Why?

This vote seems opportunistic, like it's jumping on someone with the ol helpful "defend the people who aren't in the thread yet". Easy townpoints, especially from the people you're defending, and honestly, this is one of the weakest reasons to vote the guy. Personally I think his RVS stuff is fine, although his repeated preaching about it being a serious vote is kind of annoying and possibly scummy but that could just be me being annoyed.

What makes the vote opportunistic rather than justified/reasonable?

Twas the night before Christmas and all through the thread
There was voting at random to see who'd

wind up

be dead
Scum was lining their lynches for

the beginning

day 1 with care
Maybe even by

putting a vote on someone

voting one who was not yet there...

Your metre sucks, I fixed that for you
Maybe explain how his vote is scum too?

Fuck hydra slipping, I won't do again
By endgame the slips will prob add up to 10

I don't know what a hydra is or how a hydra can slip.

I can't comprehend a 'town way of thinking'
Please explain more, your argument's slipping.
I don't vote a guy for his logic failing
But when anti-town, self meta is flailing.

Swag's new, please understand so
For him to be scum would make my heart woe
His playstyle is genuine and oh so real
For newbie scum to do this would be surreal

I don't think that's a good argument. Some people are just naturals at this game. Assuming someone isn't going to play stealthily based on their lack of experience is giving people an unfair pass and disallows us from looking deeper into their posts than the superficial.

So far, I'm not really sure how I feel about Swagalicious. His insistence to vote in the way that he does and his justification for it makes him seem anti-town to me, but at the same time, his quick end to the RVS gives him a lot of credit to me. I think I'm leaning more towards scumilicious than the town read.

Also, someone explain to me what hypoclaiming is and how it is different from roleclaiming.

[Grib]

Hydra = two people sharing an account. Hydra slipping is when they accidentally post from their main accounts.

Hypoclaiming is when we all claim as if we were all a particular PR, in case said PR dies. Their flip proves that their particular claim is the real one (I may be wrong here, I've never taken part in a hypoclaim). This prevents the real PR from claiming alone and getting shot right away.

[I Love Fairies]

A little over 40% of my confusion is resolved now with the Hydra thing. I thought that Mathdino was part of the game and something that he was saying was indicative of being scum because of the previously unknown (for me) factor of hydras and Gassy Dead Person was pointing that out.

Would someone also explain to me the benefits and drawbacks of hypoclaiming a little more. I kind of feel like with Masons, it has no benefit and has no drawback as information would not be learned either way.

[NJAC]

If masons try to recruit a scum, the recruitment fails. So it's useful to know in advance who are the masons going to try to recruit, to avoid this info goes to the grave with them, in case they die. However this hypoclaiming strategy is something we should consider later in the game, if we get to the scenario where there's only one mason left alive. In this moment it's not necessary to use that strategy, IMO.

[I Love Fairies]

Makes sense.

Right now, I'm actually leaning towards a Riddle lynch. With the way they've interacted, I would not be surprised if both were in cohorts. They don't seem town enough to me to be a Mason team so that leaves a scum team. How I see it, Swagilicious is trying to distance himself from Riddle and Riddle is trying to protect McPimpSwag. However, I'm not so positive on Swaggy distancing himself from Riddle, it's possible SwaggersMcGee just doesn't have much of an opinion on Riddle, which I suppose is understandable because I don't have a strong opinion on EVERYONE yet.

[I Love Fairies]

Forgot my damn vote.

VOTE: Riddle

[Whatisswag]

Makes sense.

Right now, I'm actually leaning towards a Riddle lynch. With the way they've interacted, I would not be surprised if both were in cohorts. They don't seem town enough to me to be a Mason team so that leaves a scum team. How I see it, Swagilicious is trying to distance himself from Riddle and Riddle is trying to protect McPimpSwag. However, I'm not so positive on Swaggy distancing himself from Riddle, it's possible SwaggersMcGee just doesn't have much of an opinion on Riddle, which I suppose is understandable because I don't have a strong opinion on EVERYONE yet.

The masons recruit n1 or after n1, so there is no mason team at the moment. Is there a need to call me four different names?

[NJAC]

There is a masons team, composed by two masons. They will recruit another member at any time in the game. Read the setup and Sample Role PMs.

[Whatisswag]

Wait there are 2 masons already? Holy shit I misread the setup. I thought there was 1 mason in the game who had to recruit another one to make it 2

[I Love Fairies]

Even if there wasn't, my point still stands.

Also yes, it was totally necessary to call you 4 different names.

[Green Crayons]

@Riddle:

I'd recruit a null read. Because there's no weak modifier (ie. I don't die if I misrecruit) it basically acts as a 1-shot cop.

How long did it take for you to come up with this response?

[Green Crayons]

@elle:

Also, congrats, you managed to find one of the few instances in which a random wagon actually gets scum. Now there are no associatives to be made D2, no analysis to pull on D1, you're basically at square 1.

@ILF: Hannibal's avatar is from Civilization IV, amazing game. I like your last post, seems townish, stuff before that, very light scumread, so nullread for now.

I think awesomeusername is town. elle's vote is weird if Whatisswag is town.

Why would that make it weird?

This question was responded to in Post 55.

You had no follow up. What was the purpose of your question in Post 52?

[Green Crayons]

General thoughts:

1. swag's ideas of who might be scum based on confirm timing are bad, but strike me as something that would more likely come from town trying to be creative, rather than scum trying to look busy.

2. No idea what Corpses is talking about w/r/t swag's input being "robotic" or whatever; faint lean scum read because of Corpses's focus on shooting down swag's contribution rather than adding to the thread himself.

3. That said, I do agree with Corpses w/r/t Riddle's Page 1 interaction with swag being null, not alignment indicative.

4. Stop rhyming.

5. Kaboose's self-vote is bad. I used to have a no-excuse policy for self voting, but these days I see it as nothing but harmless (and valueless) unless context indicates otherwise. Kaboose's Page 4, second real day of the game, first game post, on Christmas Day, self vote does not strike me as scummy. It strikes me as lazy input. Null.

[Green Crayons]

@Grib:

No one should ever be happy with a Grib vote.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Green Crayons

Hi there, fellow Williamsburgite.

Hello. I live in Williamsburg, yes. Are you there because of undergrad, graduate school, or just life.

(I look forward to how our pleasant conversation about life outside of this game will inspire conversation relevant to this game.)

[I Love Fairies]

Another stupid question, what is "w/r/t?"

[Green Crayons]

with regards to

[Green Crayons]

I think I'm the only person who says that, though. So. (shrug)

[Grib]

Hello. I live in Williamsburg, yes. Are you there because of undergrad, graduate school, or just life.

(I look forward to how our pleasant conversation about life outside of this game will inspire conversation relevant to this game.)

Undergrad shenanigans.

You focused on Swag and Corpses, what do you think of ILF?