Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

[Whatisswag]

I'd recruit a null read. Because there's no weak modifier (ie. I don't die if I misrecruit) it basically acts as a 1-shot cop.

There was 39 minutes between this post and the original question. So I think that Riddleton was thinking of this question on the spot. Green, why do you ask?>

[Green Crayons]

Ugh, you're town already. Don't butt into questions that aren't directed at you.

[Whatisswag]

General thoughts:

1. swag's ideas of who might be scum based on confirm timing are bad, but strike me as something that would more likely come from town trying to be creative, rather than scum trying to look busy.

Whatever

2. No idea what Corpses is talking about w/r/t swag's input being "robotic" or whatever; faint lean scum read because of Corpses's focus on shooting down swag's contribution rather than adding to the thread himself.

Robotic means that my "scumhunting" efforts are seemingly made with the purpose of looking town

3. That said, I do agree with Corpses w/r/t Riddle's Page 1 interaction with swag being null, not alignment indicative.

4. Stop rhyming.

5. Kaboose's self-vote is bad. I used to have a no-excuse policy for self voting, but these days I see it as nothing but harmless (and valueless) unless context indicates otherwise. Kaboose's Page 4, second real day of the game, first game post, on Christmas Day, self vote does not strike me as scummy. It strikes me as lazy input. Null.

He did not do it in the game that I played though.

[Whatisswag]

Ok at least you are more active that Rubik

VOTE: RubikAshtray

If anything, last to confirm should be null
To say confirmation means something is bull.
If people are scum for stalling pre-game
Why after game-start would he continue the same?

for lurking purposes

[Green Crayons]

@Grib:

1.

Fairies's first set of posts (Posts 28, 29, 31, and 34) struck me as unnecessarily defensive, leaving me with a lean scum feeling.

A.

Particularly Post 28, where right out of the gate she's doing an unnecessary self-meta as a defense to swag's not great theory.

B.

Post 29 isn't much better, where she questions why swag would want her lynched on Page 2 of Day 1. I understood swag's QL statement to be something of an exaggeration, and the fact that Fairies took it literally makes it look like she's already on the defense.

C.

Post 31 and Post 34 are more neutral, however, as she diverts the conversation into theory. Nothing really to be seen there.

2.

Fairies' second set of posts (Posts 107 and 109) is neutral to lean town.

A.

Post 107 is a bevy of comments.

- The theory discussion is null, but extended conversation about theory in games starts to get me suspicious, so if she lingers much longer on the not-really-much-to-talk-about quicklynch debate, I'll probably chalk it up to scumminess. (Particularly now that I've highlighted that fact.)

- Questions/lack of knowledge about hydras is null.

- I think her last discussion in this post, directed at Riddle, is the most informative w/r/t Fairies' own alignment. Her assessment of swag strikes me as genuine, particularly because it takes a middle ground approach - I've been in a similar position trying to size up players, seeing both good and bad things about them, and admitting that openly is town for me. Scum would be less inclined to make such a middle argument approach because of just how easily that position can be attacked as wishy-washy or whatever.

B.

I have no real justification for this beyond gut, but Post 109 feels town. I'm telling myself now to disregard that pretty weak gut feeling.

3.

Fairies's third set of posts (Posts 111, 112, and 116) are ---.

- I don't want to comment on these until I see Riddle's response.

[davesaz]

VOTE: unvote

Wasn't fond of the 'Here, let me link other people's theories on something that's being asked of

me

...'
But liked that you could follow it up with knowing the first-to-confirms given one of those linked explanations on why you'd think that. Was looking at the same pregame.

Unvotes just after RVS are scummy. It's an unnecessary defensive move that looks like "Hey, I'm doing something" when there's no need to.

VOTE: elle

You've been busted, my friend. Life is tough sometimes. I imagine your parents must be very dissapointed in you. Who are your partners?

Did you get what you wanted from this vote?

[davesaz]

I like for my first vote to be on someone I've played with before.

And why is that not me? I feel so sad.

Well, I can only vote for one person at a time.

Why are you worrying about the Masons and tossing around self-meta? It's more distracting than anything else.

Was there a satisfying answer to this question?

[Grib]

I like for my first vote to be on someone I've played with before.

And why is that not me? I feel so sad.

Well, I can only vote for one person at a time.

Why are you worrying about the Masons and tossing around self-meta? It's more distracting than anything else.

Was there a satisfying answer to this question?

Nope.

[davesaz]

There is a masons team, composed by two masons. They will recruit another member at any time in the game. Read the setup and Sample Role PMs.

Any thoughts beyond the setup speculation yet?

[Grib]

Hm.

VOTE: davesaz

Ask less pointless questions.

[Whatisswag]

I like for my first vote to be on someone I've played with before.

And why is that not me? I feel so sad.

Well, I can only vote for one person at a time.

Why are you worrying about the Masons and tossing around self-meta? It's more distracting than anything else.

It was still the quite-early stages at that point since only 3 to 4 people were discussing things beyond RVS at that point, I wanted to know what everyone thinks

[davesaz]

Hm.

VOTE: davesaz

Ask less pointless questions.

Patience, grasshopper. The point will be clearer in time.

[Grib]

Green Eyes: what prompted you to do a full analysis of ILF's posts but only post generic thoughts on Corpses and Swag?

[Grib]

Hm.

VOTE: davesaz

Ask less pointless questions.

Patience, grasshopper. The point will be clearer in time.

If by "point" you mean "the rest of my teammates," then I'm all for patience.

[Green Crayons]

Green Eyes: what prompted you to do a full analysis of ILF's posts but only post generic thoughts on Corpses and Swag?

Is this a joke?

Hello. I live in Williamsburg, yes. Are you there because of undergrad, graduate school, or just life.

(I look forward to how our pleasant conversation about life outside of this game will inspire conversation relevant to this game.)

Undergrad shenanigans.

You focused on Swag and Corpses, what do you think of ILF?

[Green Crayons]

If by "point" you mean "the rest of my teammates," then I'm all for patience.

This strikes me as something scum would say, trying to be clever.

[Grib]

Green Eyes: what prompted you to do a full analysis of ILF's posts but only post generic thoughts on Corpses and Swag?

Is this a joke?

Hello. I live in Williamsburg, yes. Are you there because of undergrad, graduate school, or just life.

(I look forward to how our pleasant conversation about life outside of this game will inspire conversation relevant to this game.)

Undergrad shenanigans.

You focused on Swag and Corpses, what do you think of ILF?

I never joke.

When I asked for your thoughts on ILF, I was expecting a post similar to the one on Corpses and Swag. I was just wondering why you went more in-depth with ILF.

If by "point" you mean "the rest of my teammates," then I'm all for patience.

This strikes me as something scum would say, trying to be clever.

Do you really think that?

[Green Crayons]

I went more in-depth because I didn't have a coherent feeling towards Fairies. Hence the lack of any comment about her. The same goes for any other player I have yet to comment about. Your inquiry prompted me to solidify how I felt. I conveyed the process and end result, per request.

Yes. It's not a "slip" (I hate that buzzword) or anything of that magnitude, but it's a comment that looks more like clever scum than town.

[Green Crayons]

(Also how's undergrad life? I finished grad school here and am sticking around for job stuff until the end of this summer. The 'Burg is a perfectly fine place to live for a few years . . . but, holy shit, I'll be happy to head up to RVA before the end of 2015.)

[davesaz]

If by "point" you mean "the rest of my teammates," then I'm all for patience.

This strikes me as something scum would say, trying to be clever.

Do you really think that?

Do you always jump to conclusions about whether there is a point to a question or not, or only when you're scum?

[Grib]

I went more in-depth because I didn't have a coherent feeling towards Fairies. Hence the lack of any comment about her. The same goes for any other player I have yet to comment about. Your inquiry prompted me to solidify how I felt. I conveyed the process and end result, per request.

Yes. It's not a "slip" (I hate that buzzword) or anything of that magnitude, but it's a comment that looks more like clever scum than town.

Okay. Thank you for explaining.

I get that a lot. It's honestly a nulltell, and is more just my way of goofing off a bit. If you meta me, or if we play more games together, you'd see.

Are you saying cleverness is exclusively a scum trait?

(Also how's undergrad life? I finished grad school here and am sticking around for job stuff until the end of this summer. The 'Burg is a perfectly fine place to live for a few years . . . but, holy shit, I'll be happy to head up to RVA before the end of 2015.)

Personally, I'm really enjoying it. Dormmates are all really cool, I have a nice circle of friends, I'm involved in a few clubs that help alleviate work stress, etc. The Cheese Shop is the only building that matters in the entire city.

If by "point" you mean "the rest of my teammates," then I'm all for patience.

This strikes me as something scum would say, trying to be clever.

Do you really think that?

Do you always jump to conclusions about whether there is a point to a question or not, or only when you're scum?

What do you think?

[Green Crayons]

@Grib:

I get that a lot. It's honestly a nulltell, and is more just my way of goofing off a bit. If you meta me, or if we play more games together, you'd see.

1. You get what a lot?

2. What exactly would your meta show me?

Are you saying cleverness is exclusively a scum trait?

I don't see how anything I have said would suggest that my response to this answer would be a "yes." The answer is no.

[Grib]

@Grib:

I get that a lot. It's honestly a nulltell, and is more just my way of goofing off a bit. If you meta me, or if we play more games together, you'd see.

1. You get what a lot?

2. What exactly would your meta show me?

Oh, just comments that look like "clever scum" rather than town. They crop up a lot.

What are you thinking about davesaz?

[Green Crayons]

@Corpses:

Twas the night before Christmas and all through the thread
There was voting at random to see who'd wind up dead
Scum was lining their lynches for the beginning with care
Maybe even by putting a vote on someone who was not yet there...

VOTE: whatisswag

Why?

This vote seems opportunistic, like it's jumping on someone with the ol helpful "defend the people who aren't in the thread yet".

Easy townpoints, especially from the people you're defending, and honestly, this is one of the weakest reasons to vote the guy. Personally I think his RVS stuff is fine, although his repeated preaching about it being a serious vote is kind of annoying and possibly scummy but that could just be me being annoyed.

My bolding.

In light of the above, how do you feel about Hannibal's only contribution to the game:

VOTE: whatisswag
For picking on the people who aren't here yet

I guess more importantly, why did Hannibal not get a criticism in any of your posts?

[Green Crayons]

@Grib:

What are you thinking about davesaz?

His only presence is questions. That doesn't bother me, as I also used to go into games pretty question heavy during the beginning of games as a way to try to hook myself into some conversation/get reactions to evaluate. So I get it, and it's null insofar as it's still early into the game.

As for the questions themselves, I think they're pretty meh except for:

There is a masons team, composed by two masons. They will recruit another member at any time in the game. Read the setup and Sample Role PMs.

Any thoughts beyond the setup speculation yet?