Mini 1634 - English Premier League Mafia (Game over)

[Guyett]

Whidkers am I a ploicy lybch ot a normal lynch?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Whiskers

, can you answer my questions please?

@Guyett

, it's funny because I asked that question earlier.

[Red Arrow]

Scripten is town. (For things on this page)
Guyett is scum. (For things on this page)

Also I take back my earlier position that Kaboose is a noob; I checked his topics and he's played like 8 or more games already.

OMF GOD

X is town for things on this page and X is scum for things on this page.


WHAT FUCKING THINGS MAKE THEM SCUM OR TOWN? You're half assing things here and throwing up redundant reads with little follow up.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

RA, can you answer my questions please?

[Red Arrow]

Yes sorry, give me a few minutes. I actually forgot about them.

[Red Arrow]

50 - And you then proceed to vote someone who wasn't even on my wagon. I think massive has a point in 75 which is concerning because you tried to claim he was 'reaching' in 76

51 - Heavily dislike this post. There has been an RVS wagon, and some game content. Yet, not only does Elk decide to try and continue RVS but he also refrains from commenting on anything that has happened in the game so far.

Already covered this I believe earlier, but while I do believe there could well have been scum on the wagon there was nothing in it to suggest who was scum and I would have been shooting fish in a barrel so to speak. I voted in my next post because of behaviour I believe was scummy.

Basically, I would rather vote for someone I see outright as scummy than someone on your wagon who has not arose any suspicion or shown any hint of being scummy. Its a good posibility that at least one scum was on your wagon, yes. But right now its shooting blind with nothing to go on, where as I believe the posts of Whiskers are actually reasons to vote someone.

56 - RA, what exactly about Whiskers reaction stood out to you? Can you be more specific?

complete over reaction to a vote and basically making excuses for someone his words 'as Kabs is a huge noob'

I don't buy this, RA. If you truly thought there was scum on my wagon, I would expect you to pursue it. The fact you didn't, makes your comment seem disingenuous and therefore scummy.

Again refer to my top post. There could be scum on it yes, but nothing scummy stands out yet and have said it will be something to look at later when flips occur, and get better information from then. I put my vote where I think it is most likely to hit scum. We can come back to your wagon at a later time when more info is available.

Basically its better to put my vote on what I think is a solid scum read, than a simple hunch right now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@105 - I'm not questioning where you put your vote. I'm questioning your intent and your thought process.

If you thought there was scum on my wagon, why haven't you engaged/questioned those people on my wagon to develop reads?

What do you think is Whisker's motivation behind the over-reaction?

[4burner]

Also, if anyone rolled Man U claim now so we can lynch you please and thanks!

A godfather club if ever there was one.

(P.S.: if it weren't for massive, I'd be the oldest member playing this game. *shakefist.* Damn you, massive!)

Look, if I could be five years younger, I think you know I would.

is anyone Spurs?

And if so, can we lynch them right after Man U?

Anyone else think Mourinho has sucked the joy of football out of Oscar?

It's OK, he still has his sisters.

unvote
vote Red Arrow

In your post 49, you mention that you think it's likely one of the members on BBT's wagon is scum. You don't, however, seem to even entertain the possibility that BBT himself could be scum. And then you go straight into 50 and vote for someone else without even continuing to explore your own point about BBT's train.

@Massive

- You vote @RA for playing in pretty much the exact same fashion as myself. I haven't revisited that thought train either despite being the one to bring it up, and am voting Whiskers for much the same reason. Does that make me scum also?

My question is would scum be more likely to ignore the BBT wagon or push it, knowing it was/is ultimately built on RVS bullshit?

I don't really like the presentation of this question. It feels like scum misdirection more than it feels like town trying to establish alignments.

Whiskers! It was whiskers.

VOTE: whiskers

And then this. I really dislike that you waited to test the waters on a Whiskers vote before making it. You've also done nothing else this game besides push Whiskers, despite mentioning that the BBT wagon could be scum. I understand that you said it was likely town, but that didn't seem to follow any sort of coherent mental narrative. You just said so, and thus it was, rather than working through it by talking to other players.

Yiley:

You haven't really done a lot this game. What do you think about drunk posting or Whiskers' opinions on it? How about RVS wagons?

@Scripten

When/How did I test the waters? Also, done nothing all game? It's 5 pages in. This case is your 5th overall post in the game, and only the second that could be considered as relevant (discounting RVS). By this stage comparatively, I'd posted 11 times (inc rvs of about 1/2 posts) and check my iso if you want to see what I've done beyond just push Whiskers. This case is a real stretch, especially if activity levels are a factor in your read on me.

And regarding the early lolwagon on @BBT, I have no way of knowing his alignment. Scum jump on scum for an early bus on scum, or jump on town for the lolcredit, minor as it is. Should BBT (or the wagoneers) eventually fllp, then we'd have more information to assess the wagoneers, but as it stands it is just an interesting set of players that could warrant further attention at a later stage. I'm pretty sure I said much the same in the posts this is all regarding. But at any rate, the wagon as it stands is null until further information is presented so why I'm being voted for essentially ignoring it is pretty thin.

Also, you call out Yiley for not commenting on Drunkgate, yet you hadn't offered your own opinion on the subject. Curious.

68 - How is the reread going Scripten? Caught up?

Oh. Yeah. I just wanted to ISO some people and do a quick skim. It's a fairly short game.

77 - Scripten, scum misdirection to where? From where? For what purpose?

Essentially fake scumhunting. "Look, there might or might not be scum over there!" I don't really like Whiskers' drunk posting discussion either, and Red Arrow also mentioned the wagon and proceeded to look elsewhere, but 4burner's treatment of the wagon just felt more scummy as a whole. At least I'm not at any loss for scumreads.

So I get in trouble for not doing anything, but now I'm also fake scumhunting, despite being what, 2nd on the Whiskers wagon who you yourself don't like and agree with my stance on.

This subtle defense of Whiskers is noted. Myself and RA at this stage are the only ones on Whiskers at the time of this post, from memory.

@Kaboose

- You call me out for making a non-content post as if I'm trying to fly under the radar, despite the last game related post being mine when I posted the quoted, and the non-game related posts coming all of 10 minutes after it. If I was trying to fly under the radar wouldn't my best move to be just shutting up and not 'spamming' the thread, as such?

When you made that post, did you read through the entire thread then write it, or did you take notes as you went along?

Also, voting Whiskers for what was an obvious quote malfunction seems pretty thin despite the suspicion of me. You must think I'm bussing?

[4burner]

Also,

@Whiskers

play since being voted - Nothing but terribad reads on Guyett and Scripten (scum+town resp.) and fixing his misquote. Not engaging with the people voting him or trying to fight the case. Only posting after Kaboose started catching heat, but that last point is null.

Was your vote RVS or not?
And you seemed so certain that Drunkposting was a scumtell (

always

) only later to retract it. Also there are a lot of people drunkposting around the holidays. This is a very curious stance to take and one I'm wondering if you've ever set a precedence for.

[Whiskers]

35 - Reasons for vote BRO?

47 - What exactly would you be voting me for Whiskers?

For jumping on a big ol' noob for asking a question, one that you called "scummy" but I read as just being "newbie."
But like I said, Kaboose doesn't seem to actually BE any sort of noob. In his few months here, he's played a ton of games, so I take it back.
It would have been my Random Voting Stage vote, but then I found a vote I liked better than random, an Pissed Vote.

69 - Whiskers, your comment regarding being worried about people thinking you were scum with me comes across like you're self-aware which is kind of scummy. Also, are you voting Guyett because drunk-posting is a scumtell or because people who drunk post annoy you?[/quote]
Let me say, it's both, but more the latter. I can't say for certain it's a scumtell, but

ugh

, let's be cognisant of the spirit of exaggeration. As I explained already, it's definitely anti-town. Townies Should-Not do it. But that doesn't mean that they can't or won't, so it isn't a scumtell. Happy? It's just a "fuck you, I'm a drunk asshole who doest't have the courtesy to post sober" tell at best, and at worst, a "I'm scum but am changing my behaviour to make it look like I'm just a drunk asshole who doesn't have the courtesy to post sober, thereby making it harder to analyze my posts" tell.

Does this answer your questions?

You're half assing things

Yes, that is accurate.
Though, what about my reads is "redundant," as you call them?

Sorry. I wasn't meaning to quote the same post twice. That portion should have read,

The reaction of Whiskers to the Kaboose vote by BBT also stood out to me .

this

its funny coz I called you out on this earlier ...

Not really-- you said, and I QUOTE,

why are you quoting me there?

The difference is when you "Called me out", you didn't give me any reason to look again-- I had

meant

to quote you. When Kaboose asked me about it, he showed the quote, and I saw that I had quoted one part a second time, instead of what I had meant to put there.

[Whiskers]

Also there are a lot of people drunkposting around the holidays.

Ew.
Really? I hadn't noticed this before-- though I don't know if I've ever actually played during the holiday season, and if I have, if it was common back then.

I just don't get it. It's too frequent to be a proddodge, and if you're drunk, why even bother posting? Go have a laugh with friends, or cry to yourself quietly. If you're not out with friends... why get drunk?

In game, there's reasons NOT to do it, and out of game, there's no reason (that I can think of, at least) TO do it.

[Kaboose]

Meh I'll just play this game when I can be killed. Let me know when people start dying, because I won't be.

[Scripten]

4burner:

@Scripten

When/How did I test the waters? Also, done nothing all game? It's 5 pages in. This case is your 5th overall post in the game, and only the second that could be considered as relevant (discounting RVS). By this stage comparatively, I'd posted 11 times (inc rvs of about 1/2 posts) and check my iso if you want to see what I've done beyond just push Whiskers. This case is a real stretch, especially if activity levels are a factor in your read on me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling you out on lack of activity. I was specifically saying that, while you had been posting, you hadn't yet done anything but pursue a tunnel on Whiskers and make some posts outside the game state. Seeing as you stated that there might be scum in the BBT wagon, your post felt like it was meant to lead town in one direction while you voted and pursued another. It's a relatively common scum tactic and easily defensible.

And regarding the early lolwagon on @BBT, I have no way of knowing his alignment. Scum jump on scum for an early bus on scum, or jump on town for the lolcredit, minor as it is. Should BBT (or the wagoneers) eventually fllp, then we'd have more information to assess the wagoneers, but as it stands it is just an interesting set of players that could warrant further attention at a later stage. I'm pretty sure I said much the same in the posts this is all regarding. But at any rate, the wagon as it stands is null until further information is presented so why I'm being voted for essentially ignoring it is pretty thin.

Fair enough. I do hope to see you coming back this way later on, then.

Also, you call out Yiley for not commenting on Drunkgate, yet you hadn't offered your own opinion on the subject. Curious.

I said I didn't like Whiskers' actions, but you're right, I didn't jump right on top of him. I don't think drunkposts are alignment-indicative or even relevant to the game state. Like most noise, it can be safely discarded when scum- or town-hunting. Some people disagree. I recall Thor stating that drunkposts are policy lynch-worthy at one point in an older game. I dun really care.

So I get in trouble for not doing anything, but now I'm also fake scumhunting, despite being what, 2nd on the Whiskers wagon who you yourself don't like and agree with my stance on.

This subtle defense of Whiskers is noted. Myself and RA at this stage are the only ones on Whiskers at the time of this post, from memory.

You're subtly misrepping me here and I don't think I like it. I think I've made very clear what my accusations were. Are you implying that I'm buddying Whiskers here? Does that mean you think he's town or we're scum together or what? Explain to me the logic behind this inference, please?

Kaboose:

Meh I'll just play this game when I can be killed. Let me know when people start dying, because I won't be.

How about now?

VOTE: Kaboose

*(My vote is flying everywhere this game. Peeps be so scummy all over.)

[Kaboose]

Not scurred. Try harder please.

[Guyett]

Whiskers something tells me we wont get on.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

For jumping on a big ol' noob for asking a question, one that you called "scummy" but I read as just being "newbie."
It would have been my Random Voting Stage vote, but then I found a vote I liked better than random, an Pissed Vote.

This part of your post is contradictory. Would you have been voting me for RVS or would you have been voting me because I attacked and voted Kaboose?

Also, what would be my scum-motivation for what I did?

Let me say, it's both, but more the latter. I can't say for certain it's a scumtell, but

ugh

, let's be cognisant of the spirit of exaggeration. As I explained already, it's definitely anti-town. Townies Should-Not do it. But that doesn't mean that they can't or won't, so it isn't a scumtell. Happy?

Not really, no.

You seemed sure it was a scum-tell when you voted him; you even italicised the 'always' part of your post. Now, in the first part of your post (the one I have quoted above) you're saying you're not certain it's a scum-tell and by the time you finish the paragraph you're saying it's no longer a scum-tell at all.

Can you take a more decisive stance on the issue please? Is drunk-posting a scum-tell or not?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Kaboose should be gaining votes really quickly.

Thanks.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Massive

- You vote @RA for playing in pretty much the exact same fashion as myself. I haven't revisited that thought train either despite being the one to bring it up, and am voting Whiskers for much the same reason. Does that make me scum also?

Similarly, is there a reason you're attacking massive instead of myself (or as well as myself) given I am questioning RA and not you over the exact same thing?

[Whiskers]

For jumping on a big ol' noob for asking a question, one that you called "scummy" but I read as just being "newbie."
It would have been my Random Voting Stage vote, but then I found a vote I liked better than random, an Pissed Vote.

This part of your post is contradictory. Would you have been voting me for RVS or would you have been voting me because I attacked and voted Kaboose?

Also, what would be my scum-motivation for what I did?

RVS still usually has a reason attached. It would not have been a terribly serious vote, in my first post of the game, on page two, HAD I even voted you.
Though, there is scum motivation in preying on newbies, and that should be apparent?

Let me say, it's both, but more the latter. I can't say for certain it's a scumtell, but

ugh

, let's be cognisant of the spirit of exaggeration. As I explained already, it's definitely anti-town. Townies Should-Not do it. But that doesn't mean that they can't or won't, so it isn't a scumtell. Happy?

Not really, no.

You seemed sure it was a scum-tell when you voted him; you even italicised the 'always' part of your post. Now, in the first part of your post (the one I have quoted above) you're saying you're not certain it's a scum-tell and by the time you finish the paragraph you're saying it's no longer a scum-tell at all.

Can you take a more decisive stance on the issue please? Is drunk-posting a scum-tell or not?

Learn

"exagguration,"

and come back to see me, darlin'?

[Whiskers]

For jumping on a big ol' noob for asking a question, one that you called "scummy" but I read as just being "newbie."
It would have been my Random Voting Stage vote, but then I found a vote I liked better than random, an Pissed Vote.

This part of your post is contradictory. Would you have been voting me for RVS or would you have been voting me because I attacked and voted Kaboose?

Also, what would be my scum-motivation for what I did?

Let me say, it's both, but more the latter. I can't say for certain it's a scumtell, but

ugh

, let's be cognisant of the spirit of exaggeration. As I explained already, it's definitely anti-town. Townies Should-Not do it. But that doesn't mean that they can't or won't, so it isn't a scumtell. Happy?

Not really, no.

You seemed sure it was a scum-tell when you voted him; you even italicised the 'always' part of your post. Now, in the first part of your post (the one I have quoted above) you're saying you're not certain it's a scum-tell and by the time you finish the paragraph you're saying it's no longer a scum-tell at all.

Can you take a more decisive stance on the issue please? Is drunk-posting a scum-tell or not?

Kaboose should be gaining votes really quickly.

Thanks.

...why though?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You're subtly misrepping me here and I don't think I like it. I think I've made very clear what my accusations were. Are you implying that I'm buddying Whiskers here? Does that mean you think he's town or we're scum together or what? Explain to me the logic behind this inference, please?

Kaboose:

How about now?

VOTE: Kaboose

*(My vote is flying everywhere this game. Peeps be so scummy all over.)

Couple of things.

You must have pretty good reasoning for your Kaboose vote given you think 4burner was misrepping you and you moved your vote off of him to Kaboose. Can I see this reasoning?

Your comment about your vote-hopping is noted as well. Self-aware, which usually comes from a scum mindset.

PEdit -

@Whiskers

- Why though what? You haven't even answered what I just asked you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Meh. Why only the second post in the PEdit?

Gimme a sec.

[Whiskers]

Yeah, I think mafiascum may have changed some things while I was gone. keep opening one quote in a new tab and then a different quote in the orignal tab and keeps fucking up. Not sure if that's my fault or new coding.

Sorry about that though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

RVS still usually has a reason attached. It would not have been a terribly serious vote, in my first post of the game, on page two, HAD I even voted you.
Though, there is scum motivation in preying on newbies, and that should be apparent?

Yeah, but it's usually a silly/funny/nonsensical etc reason. Your vote would

not

have been RVS if you had voted me for voting Kaboose.

Is there? It could be argued it's better scum strategy to leave the newbies until the later game phase where they can be easier to manipulate than more experienced players. What do you think about that?

Also, are you suggesting that if a newbie does something that appears scummy they should not be questioned because they're a newbie? Like, that somehow takes the scumminess out of their posts?

Learn

"exagguration,"

and come back to see me, darlin'?

Sure, exaggeration is great and all that, but, is drunk posting a scum-tell or not?

[4burner]

On phone so not quoting.

@BBT - two things - first I hadn't really noticed the parallels between you v RA and massive v RA with regards to the ignoring me part of it. I have a townread on you which means you aren't coping much of my focus at the moment.
Secondly now that I'm comaparing both @massive and your games so far the difference is as thus;
@massive's play came from one post for the most part, in which he quoted me and therefore read me, but neglected to vote me for much the same reasoning he was voting Red. I feel if he was genuinely scumreading RA he should be likewise scumreading me, especially as I was the one who started discussion on the RVS wagon to begin with. Put simply me and RA should be interchangeable given the voting reason, but there isn't even a mention of suspicion on me which I found odd.
Your play, @BBT, or specifically the push on RA is one of many you've given voice to so far this game and seems less er... Tunnely, let's say, compared to massive. Or less willingly ignorant. Whereas massive is ignoring much of the game to vote RA, you are voting scumleads and pursuing multiple investigations which just so happen to include RA.

But now that you've bought it up, the question here is valid. If you really think RA is scum purely for his 'ignorance' of the RVS leads then you must think I am too. Pretty sure even out explinations over dropping them for now are much the same. So how are you reading me BBT? Early game I've got you and RA as townleans so it would be nice if you could also townread each other.