Mini 1624: Joss Whedon Mafia: The Musical (Game Over)

[Egg]

So I misread "outside the two of us" in F-16's post. For some reason, I thought he was saying we had to lynch him or Antihero. Doesn't affect what I didn't like about 2466 by F16, my it basically nullifies my post right before that.

[Egg]

Part of me just thinks Murder is scum and wants to tunnel them into oblivion and not disappoint Regfan who I know will be rooting for me in the dead PT. Regfan, if you are reading this, I will make sure we win this game. I promise you that.

I really need to head off to bed. Will post more tomorrow.

Conflicted about Medea. Some things that Cabd did make me think it is more likely town-Cabd though.

And yet you want to work with him.

Re the hating on him for referring to dead people and winning the game, I don't think it's a scum tell coming from F-16. That kind of talk has gotten my back up even when I was townreading him, but he actually was town. I don't have enough experience playing with scum-him to even say it's something he does as scum too. I didn't notice it in the Serum and Steel game.

I might look into that. I'm a busy guy though. Any chance you could link and maybe find the post you're referring to?

[Murder of Crows]

I might look into that. I'm a busy guy though. Any chance you could link and maybe find the post you're referring to?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5875503

Took a while to find that. I got dragged into rereading most of that game's day 2 and thinking about how F-16's play here compares to that one. Want to think some more on that, factoring in holidays and stuff. I've seen town-f-16 be a lot less prolific than in that game. The difference in breadth of focus is huge, though.

[Egg]

I might look into that. I'm a busy guy though. Any chance you could link and maybe find the post you're referring to?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5875503

Took a while to find that. I got dragged into rereading most of that game's day 2 and thinking about how F-16's play here compares to that one. Want to think some more on that, factoring in holidays and stuff. I've seen town-f-16 be a lot less prolific than in that game. The difference in breadth of focus is huge, though.

Interesting. No Charter tell there though. But the rest of that. Very similar.

[Murder of Crows]

And rereading part of that game makes me less certain about my read for other reasons. Because from what I've seen of his recentish scum games (Wicked (which I semi-followed in real time) and Serum and Steel), his scum game isn't characterized by a narrow focus, either.

UNVOTE:

Interesting. No Charter tell there though. But the rest of that. Very similar.

Could you expound on the Charter tell a bit?

[Murder of Crows]

Because if it's just talking about winning, it's in that post.

My read on both of you guys was absolute crap. I know you probably hate me but I'll do the best to make it up to you

and I want you to be able to chalk up another win.

To me, that's a very similar sentiment to the one he expressed to Regfan here.

[Egg]

Oh, I missed that. Yeah, that post is the exact same thing as the one in this game then.

[Murder of Crows]

the silence is deafening.

[Egg]

What?

[Murder of Crows]

three days and change until deadline and no posts since this morning.

[Murder of Crows]

I don't even know what to think anymore.

Does medea's claim affect your thoughts about boonskiies?

[Egg]

I couldn't hear you over the deafening silence.

You're right though. Everyone should be here this weekend.

[Boonskiies]

Medea the Alien - town
Jesusbuddhavrishnathebest - i haven't gotten a sense of scummy from this.
Antihero - scum
F-16_Fighting_Falcon - town
Egg - town, i liked how egg said that medea should shoot Antihero, himself, or me.
Serrapaladin - town, confirmed, correct? I forgot why it's confirmed, but I remember hearing it.
Boonskiies - town
Eyestott- town
Murder of Crows - i'm wishy washy. I keep going back and forth between scum and town. If murder flips town, I could see scum egg, and possibly a scum Eyestott.
Marquis - null-leaning scum

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I like how Ffery pointed out that referring to dead people is at null for me when Eyestott and Egg assumed it to be a scumtell. I wondered if she would as scum specifically point it out to manipulate me but it doesn't make sense to try to manipulate people you are gearing up to mislynch.

I feel something is off about this game if Murder is town and Yonce is too. I don't feel that the game is as easy as Antihero being scum and people calling him scum with me is another reason I'm reasonably certain it is not that straightforward. When he posted, I felt that he was town. I have this feeling that we somehow would be in a better gamestate if Nacho + Ffery are both town. We did lynch scum D2 but it was a last minute lynch and the gamestate doesn't feel right. Someone who isn't lynchbait is likely scum.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I'm considering voting Marquis but I need to think about it some more.

[Boonskiies]

that's where I'm standing right now. Also, Eyestott mentioned that the death ray could be faulty. I know nothing of this, but he mentioned it before Medea says it didn't work. That's a case where I could see a scum Medea being an opportunist.
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Actually, Medea could have faked the ability of what the Death Ray did from the beginning. It says Death Ray; him saying that the death ray gives him a dayvig shot makes sense. He pulled off a genuine response to the gun being faulty, but it happened to be after Eyestott did this. I'm actually beginning to think the Death Ray gives him some kind of ability for the next night. That being said, he could get away with it by claiming he had a dayvig shot, and that it was faulty. If this turns out to be true, I could actually see an Eyestott/Medea scum team, and Eyestott set Medea up for the faulty gun line. Eyestott could be a coincidence that Medea became opportunistic to.

Eyestott has also been wanting to lynch me for quite some time now, which makes sense as scum because I am a seemingly easy lynch that any consequences or repercussions are easily avoidable due to me being me.

Suffice to say, my reads list has changed...

VOTE: Medea

[Boonskiies]

*too. Rushing on a phone, what is grammar? whatever.

[Boonskiies]

Eyestott voting me as scum buddies with Medea also seemingly gives Eyestott town cred for distancing himself from Medea. Eyestott wanted me to give him my mind link in the night, to stop whatever ability I would give to someone else, and Eyestott would then end up getting an ability. That or he was setting me up so he could lie and say that he didn't actually get the invention. Either way, I'm debating moving my vote over to Eyestott instead of Medea. I believe they are the scum team as of right now.

[Egg]

I could see that

[eyestott]

I don't even know what to think anymore.

Does medea's claim affect your thoughts about boonskiies?

Partly. I mean, i still think hes super scummy for changing around his inventions.
How medeas claim affects my read will depend on how he answers my questions:
1: Do you believe that Boon is lying about giving you a gun?
2: Did you get the gun because of something in your role, or for another reason?

[eyestott]

that's where I'm standing right now. Also, Eyestott mentioned that the death ray could be faulty. I know nothing of this, but he mentioned it before Medea says it didn't work. That's a case where I could see a scum Medea being an opportunist.
to
Actually, Medea could have faked the ability of what the Death Ray did from the beginning. It says Death Ray; him saying that the death ray gives him a dayvig shot makes sense. He pulled off a genuine response to the gun being faulty, but it happened to be after Eyestott did this. I'm actually beginning to think the Death Ray gives him some kind of ability for the next night. That being said, he could get away with it by claiming he had a dayvig shot, and that it was faulty. If this turns out to be true, I could actually see an Eyestott/Medea scum team, and Eyestott set Medea up for the faulty gun line. Eyestott could be a coincidence that Medea became opportunistic to.

Eyestott has also been wanting to lynch me for quite some time now, which makes sense as scum because I am a seemingly easy lynch that any consequences or repercussions are easily avoidable due to me being me.

Suffice to say, my reads list has changed...

VOTE: Medea

Ummm, have you watched Dr Horrible?
If it was going to malfuntion at all, it would be done by a backfire. Dr horrible warns Captain hammer not to use it, but he does anyway. The death ray explodes and the shrapnel kills penny. HOW THE HECK could that give medea any power?
Okay, my wanting to lynch you makes sense as scum. You know what else it makes sense as? TOWN WHO IS VOTING THEIR TOP SCUMREAD. Seriously. Just because an action is something scum could do doesnt mean its something that only scum would do.
I can give examples.

[eyestott]

Eyestott voting me as scum buddies with Medea also seemingly gives Eyestott town cred for distancing himself from Medea. Eyestott wanted me to give him my mind link in the night, to stop whatever ability I would give to someone else, and Eyestott would then end up getting an ability. That or he was setting me up so he could lie and say that he didn't actually get the invention. Either way, I'm debating moving my vote over to Eyestott instead of Medea. I believe they are the scum team as of right now.

No. Mind link, in my eyes, will only do a few possible things:
Neighborise, in which case ill get to talk to you. Woop.
Actually, thats the only thing i can think it would do.
It was an attempt to get you to use a less destructive power, and also clear you. If i was scum, why would i lie, considering that if i did lie, and you were lynched, id be lynched the day after?

[Murder of Crows]

I like how Ffery pointed out that referring to dead people is at null for me when Eyestott and Egg assumed it to be a scumtell. I wondered if she would as scum specifically point it out to manipulate me but it doesn't make sense to try to manipulate people you are gearing up to mislynch.

I feel something is off about this game if Murder is town and Yonce is too. I don't feel that the game is as easy as Antihero being scum and people calling him scum with me is another reason I'm reasonably certain it is not that straightforward. When he posted, I felt that he was town. I have this feeling that we somehow would be in a better gamestate if Nacho + Ffery are both town. We did lynch scum D2 but it was a last minute lynch and the gamestate doesn't feel right. Someone who isn't lynchbait is likely scum.

I can relate to some of this. I've been extremely annoyed that you aren't looking more broadly to find scum than you have been so far. I've especially been annoyed because you (and Regfan earlier) wasted a lot of effort trying to scumhunt me, and find my scumbuddies and you CAN'T. Not in this game. You're not going to find scum while your focus is where it's been.

I want Nacho (and Mara and SK) to get back here and do something useful. I want Medea to get back here and do something useful. I want Antihero to get back here and do something useful. I want Serra to get back here and do something useful.

We have three days.

Do you think Cabd's gambit should have fished out scummy reactions? Were there any?

[Murder of Crows]

Actually, Medea could have faked the ability of what the Death Ray did from the beginning. It says Death Ray; him saying that the death ray gives him a dayvig shot makes sense. He pulled off a genuine response to the gun being faulty, but it happened to be after Eyestott did this. I'm actually beginning to think the Death Ray gives him some kind of ability for the next night.

So you think scum-Medea fake claimed an ability that they could never prove, and then magically got saved by flavor spec despite having dug themselves into the stupidest and most meaningless hole ever dug?

[Medea the Alien]

Your mistake is assuming there's any critical thought occurring from that slot.