—Mini 1635— Curse of the Werewolves: Game Over

[Andrius]

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Nothing is actually gained for the town by making clear that Pine's ability is false

Nothing was gained for the town by the lies spewed forth from boredom, even in the name of 'reaction testing'.

Its one thing to say

Daykill: Iecerint

in a game that is clearly flavor-heavy and have no indication that it is coming. There was no presence, nothing to work with. Nothing but the clear boredom. If anything, the case could be made that you are scum simply falling to easily to the 'hi daycop here XXX and YYY are guilty', believing it, and then lynching fakeclaimer the next day. Granted, that is what you did with the 'make it clear that if ABR flips town you die'.

I digress. It is another thing entirely to say

Curse: Iecerint

in a game that is clearly flavor-heavy and with the curser having dropped off-color 'Olde Foode God' things like a crazy druid.
Does that make sense? A lie that everyone believes is still a lie.

Besides, the notion of a 2-shot Suicidal DayCop is utterly laughable.

tl;dr
Pine only wasted our time. Iece's reaction was suspect. There are not enough people here. I am not supposed to be here.

[Southern Gothic]

I am still waiting on konowa and flames!

cos the prod dodges when THAT IS WHO WE ARE LOOKING AT leave me uninspired.

pine is town for my own reasons.

[Iecerint]

Pine didn't say that; I did.

What do you find suspicious about my reaction?

[Iecerint]

Its one thing to say

Daykill: Iecerint

in a game that is clearly flavor-heavy and have no indication that it is coming. There was no presence, nothing to work with. Nothing but the clear boredom. If anything, the case could be made that you are scum simply falling to easily to the 'hi daycop here XXX and YYY are guilty', believing it, and then lynching fakeclaimer the next day. Granted, that is what you did with the 'make it clear that if ABR flips town you die'.

1. It is only possible for scum to believe it if ABR is in fact scum.
2. There is no utility to setting up the lynch chain on Pine if ABR is in fact scum.

(Silly) Caveat: It is possible that scum could intentionally play so as to feign not recognizing these motivations. This is why it is a "probably" thing and not an absolute.

[farside22]

I'm going to try catching up today.

[farside22]

Game is weird. I don't like rvs all the time. Sometimes I'll vote, sometimes I dont. Most time I wait 5 pages and get reads on people.
Feel more like I'm pulling teeth reading people here.

You seem bothered by Fourtrouble staying on the periphery of the discussion, but you don't seem bothered by Flames. Why is that?

I didn't notice flames.

This is a terrible reason to keep voting me.

Forgive me, I am not known for this voice - I am attempting to change, difficult as it is.
My vote stays.

And Andy, you're invoking his beetlejuicing. Interesting.

Forgive me, I do not know what you mean. I am unfamiliar with Beetlejuice.
He is a player who has denied us reasoning for his first scum vote (curious) and is basing his lack of activity and explanations on V/LA, which is understandable but does not provide any insight into his alignment. Thus, I await his return and the chance to more accurately discern his motivations.

In my experience, Perv is a strong town player and has good reads, but his thread presence leaves something to be desired as both alignments.

I believe this to be true.

@mollie: I admit I am not pleased with Flames, though I can see town motivation behind his posts. Granted, it is not clear. Does that make sense?

Game is weird. I don't like rvs all the time. Sometimes I'll vote, sometimes I dont. Most time I wait 5 pages and get reads on people.
Feel more like I'm pulling teeth reading people here.

You seem bothered by Fourtrouble staying on the periphery of the discussion, but you don't seem bothered by Flames. Why is that?

Interesting note. I had a connection drawn in my mind earlier regarding ABR, but I forget with whom it was drawn.

I don't get why you find this interesting. You have flames in a town pile for some reason unknown.

[farside22]

@ far

I don't think 4 trouble is a hydra are you talking about the who people? and i don't know why he is ignoring the who people so lets ask him!

@ albert

why are you ignoring the who people?

@ andy

yes that makes sense. I have my own reasons for not liking flame that are independent of tth's. I find it interesting that flame is staying away from me considering what he said in our last game together. he was bugging tth too so I was all like, "go for it!".

@ iceyrent

I am not ignoring you, but this is tth's side of the case so i will let her address you.

waiting on nacho!

I thought 4 was a hydra for some reason, but yea.

Southern, I don't think 121 is independent of alignment - the genuine frustration isn't something scum feel when someone posts two townreads like I did.

Someone once told me that genuine emotion is not a towntell.

I didn't believe it at the time, but after a few games it started to make sense. Genuine emotions can come from either alignment, but they might not be for the most apparent reason. Frustration can result from many things, but the root of all of them is "things aren't going your way." Is farside frustrated at you not giving reasons or is it something else? I don't know and I think it's the wrong question to ask.

Using emotions to read people is tricky and involves too many unpredictable factors for my liking. I don't trust it.

tbf I think emotion can be faked depending on the player.

farside

You requested the presence of me and my butt, but you didn't read my posts.

Game is weird. I don't like rvs all the time. Sometimes I'll vote, sometimes I dont. Most time I wait 5 pages and get reads on people.
Feel more like I'm pulling teeth reading people here.

You seem bothered by Fourtrouble staying on the periphery of the discussion, but you don't seem bothered by Flames. Why is that?

Also, a general read on flames would be good.

Flames is non-existant. I think lots of prod dodges.
I'll have to go back and really read him and a few others.

I don't matter was referring to my worth as a person, not my relevance to the game.

And you are not exactly being an open mic currently.

I don't know what to do with albert. I can't tell if he is scum or not like I really can't tell.

I can't either! But I don't like his pushes so far and I don't like a few things he's done thus far, so.

unvote;
Vote: farside22

This seems like a poorly timed vote: farside's reaffirmation of her vote on FourTrouble actually looked pretty townish!

126 is odd, though. Not sure why she jumped in like that when she could've just waited for you to say something.

Why is this scummy, exactly?

Mollie, I don't like your Konowa vote.

Why don't you like the Konowa vote?

[farside22]

Don't worry, it's a fakeclaim. I'm town. No idea what he's talking about.

Why did you not find it suspicious or scummy that he did that?

Unvote

What are you going to do after I flip town? Use your second daycop?

This does not match what you said earlier about it being a fake claim.

Iece, what would you think of someone who was caught up, but had no reads to this point?

Why did you ask this to iec only?

I've been marathoning all of the avatar the last airbender episodes, will report back as a new man when I finish Season 3. I think Iec is a pretty horrible vote!

Agreed

I've been marathoning all of the avatar the last airbender episodes, will report back as a new man when I finish Season 3. I think Iec is a pretty horrible vote!

Then everything changed when the fire nation attacked.

Why is Icy a bad vote?

He's voting an IC. His reaction to pine was weird. I haven't seen anything incredibly town from him.

I suppose I could also vote ABR, but really, it's not a bad place to be voting AFAICT, and the ABR case doesn't seem inherently stronger.

~Abomination

This is pretty vague.
The IC claim was fake. How was his reaction weird?

Nothing is actually gained for the town by making clear that Pine's ability is false

Nothing was gained for the town by the lies spewed forth from boredom, even in the name of 'reaction testing'.

Its one thing to say

Daykill: Iecerint

in a game that is clearly flavor-heavy and have no indication that it is coming. There was no presence, nothing to work with. Nothing but the clear boredom. If anything, the case could be made that you are scum simply falling to easily to the 'hi daycop here XXX and YYY are guilty', believing it, and then lynching fakeclaimer the next day. Granted, that is what you did with the 'make it clear that if ABR flips town you die'.

I digress. It is another thing entirely to say

Curse: Iecerint

in a game that is clearly flavor-heavy and with the curser having dropped off-color 'Olde Foode God' things like a crazy druid.
Does that make sense? A lie that everyone believes is still a lie.

Besides, the notion of a 2-shot Suicidal DayCop is utterly laughable.

tl;dr
Pine only wasted our time. Iece's reaction was suspect. There are not enough people here. I am not supposed to be here.

I want to vote you.

vote: Andrius

This is the second post I caught you say something that does not make sense. You think Pine's wasted time but found Iec's reaction as suspect. How is it a waste of time if you get something from it? Why was Iec's reaction suspect?

[Albert B. Rampage]

This does not match what you said earlier about it being a fake claim.

I was sarcastic. I'll iso Andrius when I have time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Call me crazy, but Pine's gambit actually makes me think he's less likely to be scum.

Unvote, vote Konowa

[Iecerint]

Since I have already expressed some sentiments to that effect, I don't think anyone will call you crazy.

[Shadowmod]

—VOTE COUNT—

farside22

(0/7) —

Pine

,

Andrius

,

Nachomamma8

,

Konowa

Southern Gothic

(0/7) —

Nachomamma8

,

FourTrouble

,

Albert B. Rampage

Iecerint

(3/7)

— Flames682, All is Who, Pine,

Albert B. Rampage

FourTrouble

(1/7)

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farside22

,

Andrius

Pine

(0/7) —

Iecerint

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Albert B. Rampage

Albert B. Rampage

(1/7)

—

Pine

,

Nachomamma8,

Konowa

Konowa

(2/7)

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farside22

,

Southern Gothic, Albert B. Rampage

Andrius

(3/7)

— FourTrouble, Iecerint, farside22

Not Voting (3/13): PeregrineV, VictorDeAngelo, Konowa

With 13 players still alive, 7 votes are required for a lynch, 7 to force no lynch.

Day 1 deadline is (expired on 2015-01-12 17:00:00)

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—Announcement—

Issuing another prod to

FourTrouble

. If this one doesn't stick, I'll replace him tomorrow.

Konowa

requested replacement. That means he is considered out of the game now, all PT access has been revoked and he is no longer allowed to post.

[Iecerint]

Guys I am drubk.

Plz entertain me.

[Southern Gothic]

I am here iceyrent!!! I will keep you company!!!

patiently waiting for konowa and flames.

[Iecerint]

Yeah Flames jesus post already so I can vote you. <_<

You've already stalled long enough that I'm OK with my vote on someone else so the stalling may cease if you wanna.

[Flames682]

Really really sorry.

If I don't post in the next three hours you can lynch me.

[Iecerint]

Oh lord this martyr.

[Nachomamma8]

I am here iceyrent!!! I will keep you company!!!

patiently waiting for konowa and flames.

Did you notice Konowa replaced out?

[Shadowmod]

—Announcement—

Also prodded

VictorDeAngelo

, who should be back from V/LA by now. Officially searching for replacements for both

Konowa

and

FourTrouble

.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's alright, the important players are still here lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Andrius

[FourTrouble]

Sorry. I've been on vacation and thought I could be active but too much drinking/drugs - forgot about the game. I'm gonna get super active Jan 6 - until then please don't replace.

[Southern Gothic]

I've been marathoning all of the avatar the last airbender episodes, will report back as a new man when I finish Season 3. I think Iec is a pretty horrible vote!

And would love to know why that's the best you could manage to come up with, actually.

I'm interested in talking about this because I thought the reaction was off myself.

There's a naiveté in Iec's posts in the wake of Pine's claim that I doubt he actually has. Pine's far and away the most trollish player here and he actually dropped some hints himself that the claim was fake (the hashtag in Post 299 for example). The lack of skepticism on Iec's part when he's otherwise proven to be fairly thoughtful stands out.

Also interested in why there's an Andrius wagon. I'll have to look into that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also interested in why there's an Andrius wagon. I'll have to look into that.

There isn't much, besides who he thinks is town. I don't like those reads he's given, personally.

[Iecerint]

There's a naiveté in Iec's posts in the wake of Pine's claim that I doubt he actually has. Pine's far and away the most trollish player here and he actually dropped some hints himself that the claim was fake (the hashtag in Post 299 for example). The lack of skepticism on Iec's part when he's otherwise proven to be fairly thoughtful stands out.

Read my posts again, I think? I'm pretty quick to express implicit and then explicit skepticism. I even apologized for having done so after the fact, because I find public skepticism in light of a claim like that to be anti-town, but I just couldn't help myself when Pine made inferences that made it too obvious to keep going along with it.