Mini 1630: Edgar Allan Poe uPick GAME OVER!

[Krystal Bald]

explain to me how Lynx is scummy today? I actually haven't even seen anything scummy from him.

*Frowning, scratching head.*

I like copper for town so far.

Eh, I don't see what you're seeing, but I'm not sure yet.

VOTE: copper

*Scowls, looking confused.*

[Krystal Bald]

*Points at CaskOfAmontillado, frowning. Gestures toward COA's mouth with one hand while holding the other's thumb and forefinger a centimeter apart and squinting.*

[copper223]

@FTL
I thought it was a bug but good observation, it seems Purloined Letter has no vote power and can't be voted off.

@Purloined
You started the game as a tree stump?

[Policy Vote]

Krystal, your more complex attempts at expression have me looking like an idiot as I try to imitate them and figure out what you're trying to say, but I still can't.

Lynx, just claim it if it's so great?

-Ceph

[Faster Than Light]

omg Krystal bald is cute !! <3

[Faster Than Light]

Wish mollie was here!!

[Faster Than Light]

Wish Varsoon is here too... *ahem*

*pages Varsoon *

[PurloinedLetter]

Okay, just before this clogs up the thread:
We are unvotable/voteless for X number of days. You will not know what number X is, as we have another ability that is influenced by X and that ability should not be claimed. X might or might not be influenceable.

With that out, I'll still keep voting for VCA and stuff. Fferyllt does track our votes, so that is nice.

Kthx, my reasons for stating lynx was scummy was his incoherence. His first posts were full of stupid statements as 'I'm town', 'it's not omgus' and 'you're gonna regret this wagon'. The jokey responses weren't particularly well-timed and he could easily be scum only saying non-committal things. I didn't vote him, because I found the people trying to abuse the opportunity way scummier.
Now answer my question: what reason did you have to be on the lynx wagon? Why are you voting copper?
-Tier

[Policy Vote]

Orci here again

Lynx has left a mass of random softclaims in this thread and I need him to be clearer about things. I did say to cephrir the other day that I’m townreading him though. I also believe krystal’s posting restriction and I think everyone trying to throw mud at it is stupid. Purloinedletter’s ghost thing is interesting. We can actually loverize them tonight if we end up scumreading them, which is an interesting and probably planned interaction.

Missed this one. Tell me all about my sleepy nap habits, orci. I'm sure you know them better than I do! I definitely never wake up, post once or twice, then roll back over because I'm a lazy fucker! (Also my main didn't get a daystart PM I feel tier's pains)

wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

From what I've heard, Jester as a role isn't really used and is mainly the stuff of lore now.

No, don’t rule it out

Pretty much, and getting lynched lets me be helpful.

stuff like this makes me think lynx is a semi-jester with post-death abilities that can help town

Actually lynx, don’t claim for now, but answer these questions:
Do you recommend us lynching you day 1, or can we do it later?
Does your power only activate when you die by lynch?
How do you feel about being loverized with a scumread and dying that way later on?

A lynx policy/power-activate lynch today is silly and I’m not considering it

Hey bookitty you’re like not talking to me can we talk about things?

Policy lynch: you find it suspicious I'm trying to understand the setup? Lol. Why is Bookitty not suspicious as well?

No, I find it suspicious that you’re throwing out shallow observations and not expounding on them to give reads. In fact, I said that right here:

So I find it suspect that you choose to express this opinion and then not elaborate on anything ie you don’t ask Kristal any questions, you don’t say whether or not you find the act alignment indicative, you don’t really seem to be doing anything with that actual act, besides tossing out the idea that Kristal is pretending to have a restriction that she doesn’t have, so that’s scummy because you’re not trying to determine alignments

So if you want to explain why throwing out a disbelief of krystal's posting restriction is “understanding the setup” you can like do so? Because to me that's you accusing krystal of lying and giving an opinion, not any effort to "understand the setup" because that would also include receiving information, which I haven't seen you try to do. And before you accuse me of giving you preferential treatment I’m not liking anyone who’s doubting krystal’s post restriction right now. I don’t think krystal are scum, but I think the whole “oh yeah I don’t think they have a post restriction” is stupid because a) you’re accusing someone of lying which means a logical step in that progression is that they are scum but nobody as I’ve seen is actually scumreading krystal b) I have no idea why this doubt exists in the first place and nobody seems to be giving a reason why

We asked the mod about our alignment. I thought we were SK.

Why nobody comment on purloined letter ghost status??

I don't know what you mean by this.

Then you’re not nearly as perceptive as I’d expect you to be

Krystal, your more complex attempts at expression have me looking like an idiot as I try to imitate them and figure out what you're trying to say, but I still can't.

-ceph

I know exactly what you mean

but I also think it’s hilarious

Krystal, what do you think about tiershift?

[Faster Than Light]

I HAVE ARRIVED.

Spoiler:

Policy Lynch is town. (Although seeing my avatar always makes me double-take--discussion of his role is pretty town)
Lynx Kuroneko is town. (Given discussion of his role and the early morbid claim, I am willing to say this is town)
Purrloined is likely town. (Same reason as bookitty)
Bookitty is likely town. (Reading our role confusion and asking for the sample pm as town after our earlier response strikes me as town in same boat)

My rationale for these townreads lies a lot in the confusion over the Morbid faction. As it read, it seemed like a scum/third party faction but I quickly deduced it was town. However, given the way people have talked genuinely about their confusion, I have to figure they were in the same boat as me.

Krystal is strange, but strikes me a bit as town. I don't want to be quick to judge because of the maybe-restriction. High functioning scum? I don't know. I think this will sort itself out soon enough. The same goes for Purloined's ghost status which I am not going to write off as 'too negative utility to be scum'.

kthxbye's hop onto Lynx and quick jump to the copper wagon pings hardest to me. There's probably low-level scum there. The quick defense of self after only two votes pings too.
CaskofAmontillado is maybe scum. A lot of the pointedness from the slot is not reading genuine to me.
Catastrophe is pinging a little for me, although I don't have anything substantial other than tacked-on interest in why we asked for a sample pm and then no real substantial followup on that (unlike bookitty)

I do not know what to think of Medea, Ghato, Brantz, or Copper.

Regardless, I'll be trying to post less as well. I don't want to turn this game into a mess and I think that cogent-Varsoon actually is needed here to keep things from becoming a total clustertruck.

As always, I am open to questions and discussion and such. Just bold my name or something.
(did you know my first crush was a girl I talked to a lot on AIM after school but she shot me down one day by saying 'please stop, you are annoying. kthxbye'? Well now ya do know that. I hold a grudge against the phrase.)
VOTE: kthxbye

-V

[copper223]

So if you want to explain why throwing out a disbelief of krystal's posting restriction is “understanding the setup” you can like do so? Because to me that's you accusing krystal of lying and giving an opinion, not any effort to "understand the setup" because that would also include receiving information, which I haven't seen you try to do. And before you accuse me of giving you preferential treatment I’m not liking anyone who’s doubting krystal’s post restriction right now. I don’t think krystal are scum, but I think the whole “oh yeah I don’t think they have a post restriction” is stupid because a) you’re accusing someone of lying which means a logical step in that progression is that they are scum but nobody as I’ve seen is actually scumreading krystal b) I have no idea why this doubt exists in the first place and nobody seems to be giving a reason why

I don't know why Ceph puts up with you.

My shallow observation was used to test Krystal's post restriction as I said to TTH already, I am also not disbeleaving Krystal, in fact I called TTH out for doing so without giving a reason myself and said it likely is a true restriction, and no matter if it is or not that's not how we should judge her alignment, so instead of accusing you of preferential treatment I'll call you out for not reading the thread before accusing people of things they didn't say.

[Bookitty]

Sure, Orci. You haven't been around much, so I'm not sure how I could be talking to you before now!

Yeah, I wasn't really looking at the vote counts other than to check the deadline now and then. I see it now, though.

Lynx already said his power only activates on lynch. I also want to know what it is based on that; if it's useful, then maybe he should be the lynch today. I don't think he's a jester at this point.

I think Krystal was complaining of Cask of Amontillado's lack of substance (@Krystal, is that what you were saying?) but maybe she was saying he needed to shut up. I feel like any direct questioning has been pretty useless so far, but it's also possible she can only talk to or about certain people.

[copper223]

Krystal was saying that she is waiting for CoA's reply.

[copper223]

She also called lynx town, that was her horizontal hand movement plus falling down and mouthing the letter o.

[Bookitty]

I'm pretty sure Purloined Letter is town because of these three things, in this order of importance:

1) The ghost status would be crippling for a regular-sized scum team and would prevent them from distributing votes the way I would think they'd want to. If I were essentially a tree-stump scum, I think I would announce my ghostliness immediately (something Letter didn't do) and then try to lead the town without voting by putting suspicions on people without any real risk to myself. Letter didn't do the second half of that either.
2) Not jumping on the Lynx wagon. That is pretty big to me. I am not going to count any of the RVS or OMG a big shiny wagon! Let's ride it! comments against people at this point. That said, I would say that regardless of jester spec, Lynx is REALLY unlikely to be scum. Jumping on the wagon and embracing the jester speculation would be such an easy move for scum.
3) Hydra dissonance. This is the weakest reason, but the fact that the two heads have disagreed on Krystal's post restriction reads town to me.

Just something I was thinking about.

[Faster Than Light]

Copper, how do you feel about your wagon/the people who have voted you?

-V

[copper223]

@FTL

Copper, how do you feel about your wagon/the people who have voted you?

-V

I'll answer this question in detail after the next round of posts from the players involved. I'd say it's likely there is 1 scum amongst them (lynx is town), it is not impossible that there are 2.

[Bookitty]

@Catastrophe
first to brake off the wagon on a more or less obvious town now and first to jump on the PL claim for town cred.

Can you explain this a bit more? I only see one real post from Catastrophe so far and I don't see what you are seeing.

[Catastrophe]

OK so I'm getting done with holiday stuff and will be able to post more in depth during the next couple of days but for now we need a prod-dodge and I'm going to throw some stuff into it.

@FTL: I'd just like to point out that we haven't said anything since our first post. That's why we didn't follow up on the question.
@Policy: Why is Lynx obvtown again?
@copper: What exactly is the "shallow observation" you're talking about in #160?
@copper: Please explain the phrase "first to brake off the wagon on a more or less obvious town now" in post #142. Who is the obvious town you're talking about, how did we "brake off" the wagon and what is scummy about that?

UNVOTE: Purloined, obviously.

Some observations:

-FTL seems town to me. There's the reasoning behind asking for a public VT PM (I was also a tad confused by the "morbid" name), but I also realized that scum would be more likely to PM the mod and ask for a public VT PM to be posted, as opposed to asking publicly in the thread.
-Somebody questioned my reasoning on Policy being town. I've realized now that there are more reasons to treat PL as a townread: If they're telling the truth about their role, they likely get NK'ed pretty early or, given enough time, their role can confirm itself if we get two lovers dying. I don't see scum having a loverizer because that basically gives them an extra kill.

I haven't heard from TSO yet, but I'm hoping now that we're past all the holiday stuff we'll become more active.

--tool.

[Policy Vote]

@Policy: Why is Lynx obvtown again?

Have you read his posts?

-Ceph

[Policy Vote]

Am I the only one who keeps looking at Varsoon's vote as RVS?

Because it sounds like RVS to me

But at the same time 168 makes a catastrophe/ftl scumteam unlikely

pity

[Policy Vote]

VOTE: catastrophe

choo choo

[Catastrophe]

@Policy: Why is Lynx obvtown again?

Have you read his posts?

-Ceph

This answer is you basically saying "because."

Tell me why.

--tool.

[Policy Vote]

Am I the only one who keeps looking at Varsoon's vote as RVS?

Because it sounds like RVS to me

But at the same time 168 makes a catastrophe/ftl scumteam unlikely

pity

VOTE: catastrophe

choo choo

to those who can't tell this was the head that hasn't posted until now

[copper223]

@Boo

@Catastrophe
first to brake off the wagon on a more or less obvious town now and first to jump on the PL claim for town cred.

Can you explain this a bit more? I only see one real post from Catastrophe so far and I don't see what you are seeing.

Sure Catastrophe's first post looks designed to accumulate town cred, being the first to hop on the PL is likely town train after he claims is one point, the other is they were the first to deviate from the wagon building on Lynx after his weird comments (designed to get him lynched), I find this frame of mind (that you want the rest of us to think of you as town) more scum than town indicative.

@Catastrophe:

@copper: What exactly is the "shallow observation" you're talking about in #160?

That's a reference to my comment about Krystal having a restriction that has to do with "facial expressions, particularly eyes".

@copper: Please explain the phrase "first to brake off the wagon on a more or less obvious town now" in post #142. Who is the obvious town you're talking about, how did we "brake off" the wagon and what is scummy about that?

It means you were the first do deviate from the wagon that was building on lynx and vote on someone else, the more or less obvious town is Lynx, you broke off in the sense that you chose to vote another player and it's potentially scummy because it gives me the impression, together with the rest of the post and what appears to be the state of mind behind it, that you were fishing for town cred and that you did not want to hop on a wagon you knew was on a town player.