Mini 1624: Joss Whedon Mafia: The Musical (Game Over)

[Murder of Crows]

You still haven't responded to my question yesterday about Cabd's early day 3 play vs your theories about him scum-gambiting.

[Egg]

where's boon on that one? At the top?

Coulda swore I put you on there. I remember thinking of your name. You're just below Jesus.

[Egg]

You still haven't responded to my question yesterday about Cabd's early day 3 play vs your theories about him scum-gambiting.

I still don't remember his early Day 3 play.

The "gambit" is pretty simple and I actually did explain it. Pretend to talk about a fake dayvig and hold the real shot for LYLO

[Boonskiies]

Cabd's a smart guy; he knows how to gambit. I actually feel the gambit didn't start out that way, it kind of evolved as time went on, and when eye said something about it he picked up on it, and switched it. I'm not too familiar with the flavor that these roles bring, but Eyestott definitely is, and medea could be as well.

[Murder of Crows]

You still haven't responded to my question yesterday about Cabd's early day 3 play vs your theories about him scum-gambiting.

I still don't remember his early Day 3 play.

The "gambit" is pretty simple and I actually did explain it. Pretend to talk about a fake dayvig and hold the real shot for LYLO

I've told you early day 3 was significant to me in reading his overall day 3, and you haven't even bothered to go back and look at it.

You asked him to prove his shot was useless. He posted a kill command. Nothing happened. Did you notice that?

[Egg]

You asked him to prove his shot was useless. He posted a kill command. Nothing happened. Did you notice that?

Oh yeah. I remember that now

[Egg]

Is it impossible that a town Boon gave a scum Medea a broken gun and Medea decided to play lolreactions for town points though?

[Egg]

I mean it doesn't have to be some brilliant Gambit like you seem to think

[Murder of Crows]

Probably around 50% of my wanting to lynch you is frustration with the way you are phoning it in.

You post to serra, you should take some of that on board yourself. Lackadaisical, opaque, unresponsive play is part of what is bogging this game down.

[Murder of Crows]

I mean it doesn't have to be some brilliant Gambit like you seem to think

Cabd doesn't half-ass it with gambits as scum. He loves playing scum and he loves thinking circles around the town.

[Egg]

I'm voting for my top scum read. I'm not deciding who I want to lose to or outguessing the setup.

Preview edit: it doesn't have to be a brilliant Gambit though. And he did kind of grab control of this day and stall it out into laziness for lolreactions and no new info so if he's scum it went pretty well for him.

[Murder of Crows]

I'm voting for my top scum read. I'm not deciding who I want to lose to or outguessing the setup.

That doesn't address at all the problems I have with your play and the way you've contributed to the apathy.

Preview edit: it doesn't have to be a brilliant Gambit though. And he did kind of grab control of this day and stall it out into laziness for lolreactions and no new info so if he's scum it went pretty well for him.

He takes pride in his gambits.

I'm not really sure how to get that across if you haven't played with scum-him before. I could give you a bunch of games to read but you wouldn't read them. You won't even fucking review this game.

[Murder of Crows]

UNVOTE

I need to figure out if this is annoyance or an actual scumfeel from your play.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

My issue with this game is that I don't have anyone I feel confident in being scum and feel stuck even after re-reading sections of the game.

[Murder of Crows]

This game took place over a year ago, and Cabd already had an impressive list of fancy gambits (several of which he'd either pulled on me, or had pulled *with* me in our hydra.

Rift Adrift is my hydra with Syryana. GC_BC is Cabd's hydra with ProHawk.

Subject: Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia (Game Over)

One thing I associate with BC's scum game is what I think of as big lies. He gambits, and his gambits are high risk/high reward. He gambits as town, as well. In one of the games I've played with him, he claimed an investigation innocent result to stop my mislynch. And that was the first of three gambits he played in that game. He did that gambit in the midgame.

BC and I have had two scum roles in our hydra, Morph, and won both. Big lies were a huge part of those wins, too. And my only other encounter with the GCBC hydra was the AMOL game where they were scum.

This lack of gambits, or anything that looks like a set-up of a future gambit, makes me think he could be town, though it could be a little early in the game for it, and I could have missed a potential gambit set-up.

I didn't want to mention this in-thread earlier because it could have affected an ongoing game. Shamrock or Stubbs should be able to confirm that I brought this up in our QT in post 33.

An abridged history of "Gambits and Shit Cabd has Pulled in Mafia"

Chapter One: As Town
-Fakeclaim psychologist in RVS to get the SK to claim
-Fake a cop innocent on a townread
-Fakeclaim nuetral survivor in 3-man lylo with the other two crossed
-Faked having a QT with a dead player
-Faked a posting restriction to fly under the radar
-Faked a cop guilty on a huge scumread (they flipped scum)

Chapter Two: As Scum
-Claimed scum to get a daykill
-Faked hours of metadiving
-Coasted on a hider claim to a perfect win
-Used dead people to leverage my case against another player
-Watcher-guiltied my own teammate in MYLO to go on to win
-Pointed out my partner's scumflip on page one of a newbie
-Faked a towntell


Just so we have it clear. (If I forgot any feel free to add to them)

~BC

[Egg]

I think Antihero's scum flip will help this game a ton

[Murder of Crows]

that isn't where your vote is.

[Egg]

That's where my vote has been for quite a while

[eyestott]

I really don't understand the softening of Eye's stance on boonskiies.

How have I softened? I still think hes likely scum, but in case hes town, i want him to be able to prove it, and clear himself.

[eyestott]

I really don't understand the softening of Eye's stance on boonskiies.

Mine was mainly due to me feeling like I town read too many people. Eyestott/Medea turning into leaning scum reads for me though makes you more null to me than anything. Was there a claim I missed by you?

What have I done that can't have been done from a town mindset?

[eyestott]

Boon/Eye have had really weird interactions throughout this game which ffery has also mentioned.

How so?

[eyestott]

Okay, so Boons first vote is an RVS one. Disregard.

I'm gonna...I'm gonna...eh...

VOTE: Anatole

LMP says:

I'm gonna...I'm gonna...eh...

VOTE: Anatole

This guy is also scum.

to which Boon replies with:

VOTE: LynchMePls

Later, in AA9s last post before Boon votes them, AA9 says:

Boonskiies-Lurker/Null/Probably Scum

I am going to give all my benefits of doubt on this guy. Not because he is been lurking it is because he is been lurking intentionally. He doesn't bother when i put a pressure vote on him.. Its possibly that he probably thought it wouldn't matter which could be coming from a lazy scum but i can't say this for sure when i see him being active on site and avoding this game. I have expected more pressure votes on Boon so that he will speak up on his defence. But sadly this town is not with me today. No i can't really put him anywhere at this moment.

Boon then:

VOTE: AA9

HEY! I'm beginning to see a pattern!

Boon then votes me, who has voted him already:

Spoiler: Boonskies

I dont even know what to say. Nothing of use has come from you. An obvious lurker, but apart from that, I don't know.

Read: 4 or 5. The lurking is Anti-town, but

isn't scum-indicative.

This post was just going to say that because I have so much to do, I need to semi-start my VLA now, but when I saw Boonskies post, I couldn't not VOTE: boonskies.

What exactly about the post did you find reasonable enough to be unable to resist voting? it's nothing different than what you had said wasn't alignment-indicative. Also, a lot of the questions you tend to be asking are confirmation on what had been said. Another thing, a lot of your posts tend to be 'I don't have anything to add right now! I'm keeping up on the thread, but I'm unable to think of anything. Derp. Derp. Derp. You got into a mini heated argument, and as soon as it started heating up, you wanted to pull away, as you were about to be in the spotlight. I don't like. Any of this. The way you jumped on GreyIce's (GreyIce, the guy who always votes me without much reason in every game I'm in with him) vote immediately after expecting an easy PL was downright bleh. Did you expect people to jump on it easily while you were gone?


VOTE: Istott

Egg votes Boon:

Unvote, Vote Boon

L-2.

HURRY

Reply:

VOTE: egg

"But eyestott! Surely Boons votes cant ALL have been on people scumreading him, right?"
WRONG!

'mkay
VOTE: boonskiies

And:

VOTE: Antihero

I don't see how you can possibly scum read me. At all. Haha. I'm so town, it's laughable.

Next, Medea votes Boon.

We think he is full of shit.

VOTE: Boonskies

--PA

So what happens?

I believe AP and Cabd were in my game in F2F when there was a lightning rod at the Titus meet, and that's what it did there.

This is not how it worked there either. That only occurs if there's a protective role and scum has no strongman shot. Why you'd assume neither was the case makes no sense form a "I am town and know no other roles" POV. Not to mention lightning-rodding a town read in the first place. If you are town, I'm afraid you've made an error so grave that, due to the sheer WIFOM of it, there's no way you can be allowed to live past today. Period.

Well, I guess we've found it.

VOTE: Medea

After I flip Town inventor, lynch it.

Oh wow!

Antihero expresses a scumread on Boon:

This is just really too convenient though. Lightning rod is one of the few roles he could use to explain why he wasn't killed.

oh i don't think he's lying about being an inventor and giving ak the lightning rod

i just don't think he's town

And Boon:

This is just really too convenient though. Lightning rod is one of the few roles he could use to explain why he wasn't killed.

oh i don't think he's lying about being an inventor and giving ak the lightning rod

i just don't think he's town

This is a scum slip. If I was scum, I wouldn't have been shot, thus making me give the lightning rod to AK moot. He said this like he knows I was shot, and I gave the lightning rod to AK. He is suggesting I am scum and having all of that still happen. He saw something he could get an easy lynch off of, and is pushing it.

VOTE: Antihero

This here is Boons first vote after Medea reveals that they got an empty gun.

that's where I'm standing right now. Also, Eyestott mentioned that the death ray could be faulty. I know nothing of this, but he mentioned it before Medea says it didn't work. That's a case where I could see a scum Medea being an opportunist.
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Actually, Medea could have faked the ability of what the Death Ray did from the beginning. It says Death Ray; him saying that the death ray gives him a dayvig shot makes sense. He pulled off a genuine response to the gun being faulty, but it happened to be after Eyestott did this. I'm actually beginning to think the Death Ray gives him some kind of ability for the next night. That being said, he could get away with it by claiming he had a dayvig shot, and that it was faulty. If this turns out to be true, I could actually see an Eyestott/Medea scum team, and Eyestott set Medea up for the faulty gun line. Eyestott could be a coincidence that Medea became opportunistic to.

Eyestott has also been wanting to lynch me for quite some time now, which makes sense as scum because I am a seemingly easy lynch that any consequences or repercussions are easily avoidable due to me being me.

Suffice to say, my reads list has changed...

VOTE: Medea

And finally, Anti votes Boon:

taking boons at face value here
VOTE: boon

So Boon votes Anti:

well, vote someone that's voting me. I'll obviously be able to confirm myself, and if they can't see it, it's because they're purposely trying to get me away because I'm a PR.

VOTE: Antihero

So, exactly ZERO of Boonskies non-rvs votes have been on people that werent recently scumreading him.
OMGBS. (B stands for Boonskies, by the way.)
Care to comment, Boon?

[eyestott]

Cabd's a smart guy; he knows how to gambit. I actually feel the gambit didn't start out that way, it kind of evolved as time went on, and when eye said something about it he picked up on it, and switched it. I'm not too familiar with the flavor that these roles bring, but Eyestott definitely is, and medea could be as well.

Why the heck havent you watched Dr. Horrible yet? If youre that invested in winning, youd be looking at the Source Material so you have a better idea what your mentioned inventions do.
If I was Dr. Horrible, id immediately rewatch it so that I had a better understanding of my role.

[Boonskiies]

I'm really not paying much attention to this game, Eyestott. I usually do mini normals, and mini theme is just making my mind go waaazzzggagagahhahhahahahaaaaa. I don't even remember the beginning of this game.

Besides the point, Antihero has been the main person i want to lynch all game. Why the fuck wouldn't I lynch him if he's the biggest wagon not named Boon. Go ahead and fucking lynch me. I stopped caring.

[eyestott]

But earlier, you said you thought the scum team was Medea and I.
Do you still think that?