Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

[Green Crayons]

VOTE: dave

[davesaz]

I think I missed the post where you said why.

[Green Crayons]

You did miss that post.

[davesaz]

I think it's missing completely. Care to enlighten me?

[Green Crayons]

Sure. Post 484.

[davesaz]

OK, we've been over that before. Swag pissed me off. When I looked at him, it turned out he was scummy on top of having pissed me off. Really don't see how that's "manufactured".

I took your post to be a total sheep job based on what is now really old news BTW.

[Green Crayons]

I know you've responded to other people's commentary. I'm not asking you any follow up questions.

(shrug) They are conclusions that I independently came to that others had already voiced. I don't really care if you think they're a sheep job or not. Take a number, apparently.

[Grib]

Whatisswag, I like you for town but for the love of God, please stop picking on awesomeusername and davesaz for lurking when NJAC is the king of null voids and empty promises.

The fact that I don't have a vote up atm should speak for itself.

Bzzzt.

Are you town, elle?

[Grib]

Apologies for the absence. Will be reading and posting tonight...

Sorry again for the absence. Tonight I'll read and post.

Don't prod me. I'm planning to read and post a full analysis of the game. It will have to wait until the next year though.

BTW: Happy New Year everyone!

Reading now...

There is a masons team, composed by two masons. They will recruit another member at any time in the game. Read the setup and Sample Role PMs.

Any thoughts beyond the setup speculation yet?

It was more setup clarification than speculation, and yes: I'm working on the thoughts. More in brief...

Back to the catchup...

Stalling, until he proves otherwise.

[Armageddon]

Apologies for the relatively late vote count.

Vote count
Day 1.7

Players alive: 13

Players needed to lynch: 7

awesomeusername

- 1 - Whatisswag - (L-6)

CorpsesInEthanol

- 2 - Kaboose, Riddleton - (L-5)

davesaz

- 1 - Green Crayons - (L-6)

elleheathen

- 4 - CorpsesInEthanol, Cheetory6, Grib, davesaz - (L-3)

Grib

- 1 - NJAC - (L-6)

Kaboose

- 1 - Lone Ranger - (L-6)

Whatisswag

- 1 - I Love Fairies - (L-6)

Players not voting: awesomeusername, elleheathen

Mod notes:

CorpsesInEthanol has been prodded.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2015-01-14 20:45:00)

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[Kaboose]

UNVOTE:

Let's hold his toes over the coals and see if he talks Grib.

VOTE: NJAC

[NJAC]

NJAC is the king of null voids and empty promises.

Yeah, my bad, sorry about that. It appears that I can't access MS.net from work, so I only have like an hour at night to look at this .

I only made it to page 10. I'm a bit confused about my reads, I'm trying to understand swag's suspicions on dave, I like the interchange between Grib, GC and maybe Kaboose, and Cheetory added some interesting content to the discussion.

If I see that I can't fully catch up by wednesday or thursday I'll probably ask to be replaced out .

[davesaz]

I finally have enough time to be a bit more definitive.

Green Crayons looks town. I liked 484, 485, 570, 573 for example.

NJAC's time is running out. I think being willing to replace out if availability isn't there is a good move but isn't necessarily alignment indicative.

[davesaz]

UNVOTE:

Let's hold his toes over the coals and see if he talks Grib.

VOTE: NJAC

What's the real reason for this vote? Surely you don't think Grib needs help pushing people, and it's doubtful that a joke vote is going to make NJAC talk. So I'm trying to figure out what else you might want to do.

[Kaboose]

UNVOTE:

Let's hold his toes over the coals and see if he talks Grib.

VOTE: NJAC

What's the real reason for this vote? Surely you don't think Grib needs help pushing people, and it's doubtful that a joke vote is going to make NJAC talk. So I'm trying to figure out what else you might want to do.

I liked 583 of Gribs. Clearly shows that NJAC is constantly avoiding talking. We have over a week to deadline, and I thought it might be a change of pace to help start some more conversation if we push on NJAC a little and see what comes out.

Definitely wasn't to start a lynch wagon, but more for pressure. My goal was to see if we could get him talking with some pressure.

[Whatisswag]

520 - Swag if you could take a minute, let's have a conversation.

So I saw in posts:
462
477
503
551
Are the only times I see you mention awesome.

In 462 you place a vote on him and announce it won't go anywhere else.

Yes

In 477 you state that he probably won't be lynched today.

Yes

Then in 503 you suggest we lynch him.

Yes

Finally in 551 you apparently explain he's scummy for doing something you do as well.

Yes

You didn't really answer me about Awesome in 550 while responding to the post of mine that I asked about it. So could you please help me understand why you want someone lynched but you're not trying to convince anyone to do it?

There are a few people who showed their reads. awesome does not seem like a lynch choice. And the rest of the people dont say anything, which I take as not supporting. Also, awesome is just weird.

What was the "scum team analysis" you mentioned in 462?

Also since you admit he's unlikely to be lynched, would you be okay compromising on it or is he really the only person you're going to vote on D1?

I dont know, but if elle gets to L-1 then I am willing to hammer.

[Whatisswag]

Ok if we look at elle's wagon, the votes are on posts

102
246
341
370
407.

elle's wagon was quite slow initially but was fast in the end (1 vote within ~30 posts). So I think that there is at least one scum on the wagon.

[Grib]

I'm not sure I'd call 30 posts "fast."

[Whatisswag]

Sure it is, compared to 100 posts previously.

[Grib]

In the context of a game of mafia, it isn't fast. Fast would be within one or two pages.

Who do you think is scum on elle's wagon?

[Whatisswag]

dave probably, for the L-2 vote and also because I town read Cheet and Lone ranger and probably you too.

[Armageddon]

I Love Fairies has been prodded

[Cheetory6]

Why is the content of awesome's posts town, elle?

I'll get back to you on this - I'm waiting on something.

Still waiting on something?

[Cheetory6]

Between Riddle and NJAC there are just so many broken promises this game.
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And then there's ILF who's just plain ol' not promising anything. How awful.

Dave's response to Green's vote irks me. Honestly gives me a bit of an impression that he was actively lurking, saw GC's vote, felt the need to call it out and then made other posts because he was worried that people would give him flak for actively lurking.

Zzzzz.

[Cheetory6]

I dont know, but if elle gets to L-1 then I am willing to hammer.

Do you think she's scum?