Open 581: Making Friends and Enemies! (Game over)

[davesaz]

In the context of a game of mafia, it isn't fast. Fast would be within one or two pages.

Who do you think is scum on elle's wagon?

dave probably, for the L-2 vote and also because I town read Cheet and Lone ranger and probably you too.

What if corpses is scum? Would that scenario change your perspective on the wagon?

[Whatisswag]

I dont know, but if elle gets to L-1 then I am willing to hammer.

Do you think she's scum?

The town side of null.

[Whatisswag]

In the context of a game of mafia, it isn't fast. Fast would be within one or two pages.

Who do you think is scum on elle's wagon?

dave probably, for the L-2 vote and also because I town read Cheet and Lone ranger and probably you too.

What if corpses is scum? Would that scenario change your perspective on the wagon?

corpses vote is a starting vote, I dont really count starting votes.

[Cheetory6]

It's been a week since Corpse declared V/LA. He should get his shit together or replace out already.

[Cheetory6]

corpses vote is a starting vote, I dont really count starting votes.

Why?

[Whatisswag]

corpses vote is a starting vote, I dont really count starting votes.

Why?

I dont find starting votes to be a good part of analysis because any kind of people makes starting votes (just look at the number of people who have 1 vote on them.)

[Cheetory6]

So if Corpse was scum, it wouldn't affect your perspective on the rest of the wagon?

[Cheetory6]

@LR

, I want your updated perspective on things. Why is your vote still on Kaboose if it was based on an associative tell with elle and you said that you were leaning town on elle's last few posts? Can you pitch me why elle's last few posts came across as town to you?

[Green Crayons]

@dave:

I finally have enough time to be a bit more definitive.

Green Crayons looks town. I liked 484, 485, 570, 573 for example.

NJAC's time is running out. I think being willing to replace out if availability isn't there is a good move but isn't necessarily alignment indicative.

Please explain the thought process behind this post. That is, deciding to be more definitive, but then only addressing GC and NJAC with minimal observations.

[davesaz]

I expected to make several more posts, but got interrupted.

[Cheetory6]

So if Corpse was scum, it wouldn't affect your perspective on the rest of the wagon?

Just realized dave asked this exact question q.q
Let me rephrase so it isn't the same answer:
If Corpse flipped scum, you seriously wouldn't think anyone on the wagon is less likely to be scum?

[Lone Ranger]

I finally have enough time to be a bit more definitive.

Green Crayons looks town. I liked 484, 485, 570, 573 for example.

NJAC's time is running out. I think being willing to replace out if availability isn't there is a good move but isn't necessarily alignment indicative.

What in the world is townish about those posts?

[Lone Ranger]

@LR

, I want your updated perspective on things. Why is your vote still on Kaboose if it was based on an associative tell with elle and you said that you were leaning town on elle's last few posts? Can you pitch me why elle's last few posts came across as town to you?

I'm still trying to figure out my perspective on things right now, but my Kaboose suspicion wasn't based only on associatives. If it was purely associative, I never would have voted him over Elle in the first place. My vote on Kaboose isn't hurting anyone right now. I'll change (or leave) my vote after I think things through.

[Cheetory6]

Can you walk me through a situation in which kaboose is scum and elle isn't in which the confirmation bias points you had against him still apply in a way that makes him obviously scum?

[elleheathen]

The people being associated with me as scum will be cleared of that association when I flip town.

How? Well... when you use associative tells to try to connect people together as scum pre-flips, it kind of throws it out the window when one of those people flips town.

Mhm. There appears to be a problem with our back and forth. I don't know if it's simply our inability to communicate clearly, or you purposefully muddling things up.


To make sure I now understand you, when you said "But since I'm going to flip town, I'm pretty sure all the other associations will speak for themselves -

and clear a lot of people in the process

." you meant:

(1) the "a lot" of people who were going to be cleared were awesome, Kaboose, and Ranger; and

(2) they would not be "cleared" in the sense that they would be clear from suspicion, they would simply be cleared from being tied to elle-scum because elle-scum would not actual exist in this game.

1) And davesaz and swag
2)Yes.

Are you town, elle?

Are you, Grib?

Why is the content of awesome's posts town, elle?

I'll get back to you on this - I'm waiting on something.

Still waiting on something?

Yep - even said what it was in one of my posts.

I dont know, but if elle gets to L-1 then I am willing to hammer.

Do you think she's scum?

The town side of null.

You don't think I'm scum - you even have me on the

town

side of null - but you'll hammer me. Wtf swag.

[Grib]

elle, the more you lurk, the less I care about lynching elsewhere.

Who is even left for you scumread, after you've cleared 7 or so players from your lynchpool?

[Lone Ranger]

Can you walk me through a situation in which kaboose is scum and elle isn't in which the confirmation bias points you had against him still apply in a way that makes him obviously scum?

My 467 and 472. I still feel that the most likely scenario there is partner interactions but even if Elle were town, the points that Kaboose is making against Elle, and the way he interpreted Elle's posts and my posts about Elle doesn't feel natural.

[awesomeusername]

I'm really sorry everyone, but I just don't have time for this. I know replacements suck, so I apologize.

@Mod: Please replace me.

[Kaboose]

Can you walk me through a situation in which kaboose is scum and elle isn't in which the confirmation bias points you had against him still apply in a way that makes him obviously scum?

My 467 and 472. I still feel that the most likely scenario there is partner interactions but even if Elle were town, the points that Kaboose is making against Elle, and the way he interpreted Elle's posts and my posts about Elle doesn't feel natural.

Well that's handy. If I'm not mistaken this means if Elle flips scum I'm her partner. If she flips town I'm not her partner but still scum? That accurate?

[elleheathen]

elle, the more you lurk, the less I care about lynching elsewhere.

lol, I love that this comes right after one of my posts. Srsly.

Who is even left for you scumread, after you've cleared 7 or so players from your lynchpool?

So with confirms, towns and this, that's me not wanting to vote for:

Kaboose. NJAC. davesaz. Grib. GC. awesomeusername. and now LR.

So that leaves:
Cheetory. ILF. Corpses. swag. and Riddleton.

[davesaz]

Of those 5, which are you most confident of being scum?

Let's explore the cheetory read. I could go back and reread, but could you summarize what makes him scummy?

[elleheathen]

What was yours? You never said when asked.
I think it would benefit you more to actually go back and read.

[Whatisswag]

So if Corpse was scum, it wouldn't affect your perspective on the rest of the wagon?

Just realized dave asked this exact question q.q
Let me rephrase so it isn't the same answer:
If Corpse flipped scum, you seriously wouldn't think anyone on the wagon is less likely to be scum?

I dont know about that. I think it is as likely to have 1 scum and as 2 scum

[Whatisswag]

I'm really sorry everyone, but I just don't have time for this. I know replacements suck, so I apologize.

@Mod: Please replace me.

replacements are good.

[Whatisswag]

Wait a minute, I just saw something outside of this thread. dave is town too.