Mini 1630: Edgar Allan Poe uPick GAME OVER!

[copper223]

At the very least this will be a good teat whether town is being run by goons or if they are getting isolated.

[copper223]

lol test

[Bookitty]

I disagree with FtL, for one, but no-one will get off the wagon because everyone wants to be on it. Thumbs up, guys. Thumbs up.

-TSO

I don't care about being on the wagon. I do think it ought to be up to Lynx, since he's giving up his life for this play.

I would rather you be on the wagon than FtL but it's not up to me.

And @Copper, I never heard such filth back on the farm. Oh, wait, I did. Never mind.

[copper223]

<3

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Catching up right now, but can somebody unvote so lynx can just decide who is on his wagon? It's clearly the best way to pick.

[copper223]

I don't follow exactly, you mean everyone?

UNVOTE:

[CaskOfAmontillado]

No, just somebody. Him sitting at L-1 is just begging for some VI to hammer to 'prove that they're town' and annoy the shit out of everyone. But thank you copper.

[BRantz]

Lynx has already said who he wants to be on the wagon CoA, we were just waiting for Krystal to show back up.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

do you not want my reads going into night?

[CaskOfAmontillado]

And CoA, why is BRantz's play somehow not as safe as kitty's?

I kinda have only two townreads, so it's not like he's in the safe pile. But she hit more of the big red flags than he did, like the 'oh i was totally confused about the faction too lol' and 'we should totally trust lynx about his ability'

after

he told us that self-watcher is negative utility. Basically Brantz could be just in over his head whereas kitty looks like she's actively advancing a scum plan. Also, the only other time I played with her she didn't seem to be the type of player to miss things like which abilities Lynx can use while he's alive, or whether the neighborize hits live or dead players. Something's really off there.

Looks more like "scum wanting to look overeager" as opposed to "townie forgetting they have to lynch the townie in order to advance wincon"? You're like a Bookitty vote means a hammer on Lynx, but really it's just a vote on a preapproved lynch that most people are going to go along with anyways (which is similar to a cop guilty!). And I'd also like to point out that there are 0 votes on Lynx at the moment where a number of people greater than 1 approve the kill Lynx plan, so are they all scum afraid they'll look overeager for that townie vote?

Right but then why make a whole post out of 'I wont vote him until he's ready!'

Like you said, the vote didn't really mean anything, so it's kitty trying to buy townpoints by looking helpful, as opposed to being helpful.

I feel like you didn't even read my posts and just decided to scumread me, since you don't know this most basic fact of the discussions that have taken place. I already talked to Lynx about this. And to others.

You either need to read more carefully, or you're trying to paint a picture here.

In short (yeah, I know, too late) Ghato offering to neighbourise Lynxtown doesn't come from scum imo. Lynx asking to be lynched for role related reasons doesn't come from scum either. If both were scum maybe it would be possible but unlikely bad play, but I think it's just impossible since Lynx is town.

Ghato offering to be the gatekeeper of information on a power role is not a towntell. If Lynx cannot reliably communicate after death, Ghato's claim is a safe fakeclaim and potentially a source of misinformation for the town. If Lynx's info is made public, Ghato-scum is buying townpoints for the price of manufacturing fake lynx-reads once per day. Lynx is conftown, all other conclusions here are fatally flawed. This is a bad post.

Why would Lynx not be an excellent spot for town to votepark?

Why would town need to votepark? The game doesn't end on day1.

I do not understand the stick sthar has up his butt here.

Wanna crawl up in there and get it for me?
I said 'I want to policy lynch FTL' Ceph said 'you are a scumread of mine yet I want to hear your case on FTL.' If I remotely thought that he might be scum, I'd vote him for trying to set up a wagon without accountability. But I know instead that he's just being dumb conftown, which I got plenty of in other recent games.

Let's lynch cao!
Do it!

hey i think u forgot 2 vote here brah

So, Kthx, you're saying that we stop getting full flips after you die?

Can somebody who believes this claim please explain why?

I know Ffery has seen this role recently.

I haven't seen anything solid from CoA. If I'm wrong, please point out where.

Read better pls

Excuse me for not gathering that your desire to lynch FTL is policy based. Obviously, I must be scum for having missed this slight detail, and it is crazy that I would expect you to have actual reasons, which... you then go on to give... okay then?

You are excused. The failure lies with whoever was charged with your education in your formative years, or possibly whatever silver mine is nearby your home. Whatever reasons I have, they can't be trusted BECAUSE I WANT TO POLICY LYNCH THEM.

I disagree, TTH. We should try our best to make the division as uneven as possible. We ideally aim for 0 scum in the lynch wagon, but 1 is pretty decent. That means 2 scum in the remaining...what...4 players?

This math confuses me. 13 living players, 7 on the wagon. That means five remaining players. Six if Lynx self-votes, which is bad. Not that I disagree, but why are we getting different numbers?

I can see TTH being especially paranoid about me as town as well and that's why I'm not scumreading her more heavily

Incidentally, my chat with TTH is a lot of screaming about losing to you. It's why I'm letting her needle you to get a read: she's much more motivated and theoretically practiced at it than I am.

@Brantz
I don't know if he can be sensored in the first place so I'd rather keep him off of it instead of trying to figure out post results if he should be considered.

goodpost

@Tier- are you gonna fake a cop guilty on me this game?

reads list in a minute.

-sthar8

[BRantz]

do you not want my reads going into night?

That isn't what I am saying at all. I just wanted to let you know we have a list that Lynx posted, since you were catching up.

[copper223]

@Sthar
Votepark before anything more meaningful happens, trying to make it sounds it's particularly alignment indicative that some players jumped on the first weird comment (which we now know was made on purpose) a player made at RVS, like Purloined did at the time, seems questionable to me.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I'm not sure what you're saying copper. Can you rephrase that please?

[Kthxbye]

Good unvote copper. I didn't know how long I could hold out.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

First off, the players on the Lynx wagon, since they're the most important.
Bookitty- Like 80% scum. Lotta pro-scum action
Faster Than Light- I want to lynch him, but my opinion is tainted. current uselessness is exactly what I expect from varsoon of either alignment. Would be a good vig shot, whether town or scum
copper223- townlean for being a leader and conciliatory.
Policy Lynch- town
BRantz- has made no impression. If the sensor comes back with "2 on the wagon" I'd bet here for the second. If this were a normal day1, I'd be willing to compromise to lynch this.
Krystal- town
Ghato- withholding judgement. play is townish from what I know of the players, but the ability is pinging me as strongly beneficial to scum given other setup knowledge. I am like 95% sure scum has a way to screw with after-death messages, and this seems to fit.

Off the wagon:
medea- lurker, only content is re setup spec. I'm frankly disappointed because I like both players and they're playing like shit.
Catastrophe- I can read TSO, and I dont have a townread on him yet which makes my teeth itch. The tool content may be throwing me off though, so I'm gonna give them a day or so.
Tier- ability is negative utility for scum, which doesn't balance right now. So town for now.
Kthxbye- sliiight townlean. He doesnt make it to endgame either way probably, so idrc about him right now.

scumreads going into night: Boo, brantz, TBD

TTH, you could do one as well. We'll synch in thread and annoy everybody.

aside: I reread lynx and his ability is actually a self-voyeur. He used the word 'watcher,' hence my confusion. There is now zero reason not to lynch him.

-sthar8

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Good unvote copper. I didn't know how long I could hold out.

case in point

[BRantz]

BRantz- has made no impression. If the sensor comes back with "2 on the wagon" I'd bet here for the second. If this were a normal day1, I'd be willing to compromise to lynch this.

This isn't the first time someone has said this about my day 1 play. This feels like a slap in the face every time.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Sorry. Would you rather I lied to you?

[BRantz]

No, but after the game if you have ideas of ways to improve my play on day 1 I would love to hear them.

[copper223]

@Sthar

Tier said that his logic for why he called FTL and Kthx particularly scummy at RVS, was because Lynx was an excellent place to votepark as scum (now let's just say cast their first vote to avoid confusion with terminology instead of votepark), I disagree because to me anyone seeing a player doing what Lynx did would find it an excellent place to start voting (thinking as town, what is this guy doing, let's give him some rope to see if he hangs or if there is a method behind the apparent madness or as scum, nice possible mislynch nr1 incomimg with 0 risk for me as this is RVS) so trying to force a scumread there makes very little sense.

I can see scum starting the game knowing Lynx was town (and playing scummy) saying that those players jumping on him are scummy because they know it's a bad push, it's also why I'm not fond of your start.

[Bookitty]

Given the choice between your play here and CoA's approach of lurk-lurk-lurk unsupported accusations lurk-lurk-lurk random nastiness, I'd prefer yours any day, BRantz.

I would respond to CoA's case on me... but somehow he forgot to make one. He just mentioned a game into which I replaced late as scum and got lynched for my troubles (which obviously shows my extreme acumen and ability) and made general remarks about how "safe" my play has been with no real examples of that.

I still have them as scum. And if TTH is really making the comments sthar indicated in the hydra thread, that should stop for reasons that should be obvious.

[Bookitty]

copper223- townlean for being a leader and conciliatory.

Okay, I've been rereading this for about five minutes because I was certain I must be misreading it. Being conciliatory is a towntell? SERIOUSLY?

[CaskOfAmontillado]

@copper- I understand the confusion. Votepark means to place a vote, usually early, then leave it there without changing it. I believe Tier was saying that he expected scum to put their vote on Lynx and leave it, because they would never be called upon to explain it. In short,

voting

lynx wasn't scummy,

voting him then not scumhunting anymore

would be.

I do not believe Lynx was attempting a slayer's gambit early game; I think he made weird choices because he was excited about his role and won some surface level scumreads. I do not understand the parallel to our play.

Dearest Boo,

You weren't a jackass in the last game we played.

I like you as a person and respect you, and I'm doing my best not to get mad in games right now, so I'm gonna go do something else for an hour in lieu of telling you to fuck right off with your factually inaccurate scummy ass shit.

Hugs and Kisses,
Sthar

[copper223]

@CoA
If that is what Tier ment, he gave those two poor blokes very little time to scumhunt before calling them out.

The parallel is you also championed Lynx town when it was strange to do so, as for what Lynx did he told us himself he planned to get himself lynched then realized that was the wrong way to go about it so there is not much to speculate to be made there.

I like the read you gave on the ghato safeclaim.

[Bookitty]

CoA:

Make a case on me or quit throwing shade. The accusations you've made of me basically amount to "She's playing like town so obviously she's scum." You've (deliberately?) given me nothing I could address and pointed out no specifics that support your read.

The game CoA (sthar) is referring to can be found here. If you note when I replaced in and the number of interactions that actually occurred between sthar and myself, you'll get a clearer picture of just how baseless his comparison of these two games are and just how shallow his experience with me is.

Thanks.