Mini 1630: Edgar Allan Poe uPick GAME OVER!

[copper223]

That is simplistic, it depends on how you are being wrong and how you usually play as town, TTH pushing mostly bad logic on 2 players like that makes her very likely scum because when she is town even her cases on town make sense when you don't know a player's alignment, I've used that as scum for instance, and she is pretty damn accurate to boot, so yes if you flip town I'd lynch CoA in a heartbeat.

[copper223]

@Lynx

- Copper: my behavior regarding your play today should tell you what I rolled.

- Policy: the way the came out and everything they have done today points at town.

- Boo: leaving conspiracy theories aside, she is town becuase of personal meta, scumhunting and seeming generally pro town.

- Catastrophe: personal read on Tool I can't go into, TSO's readlist is townie.

- Ghato: while some have raised suspicion about them, in isolation I can only say that their play looks town to me, especially if Boo's town then their push on CoA and the reasons they gave make a lot of sense from town_Ghato.

- BRantz: If we are going with the Boo and friends (which is the most likely world) I want all of them on the wagon.

- Kthxbye: I believe in the claim because it's compatible with my idea of how he plays.

[Bookitty]

Me (I know my alignment)

Policy Lynch (duh)

Ghatokaca (I have generally liked posts and think the offer to neighbourise you wouldn't be optimal for scum)

Catastrophe (Post 372 and pretty much everything after)

Kthxbye (I buy the claim)

copper (still a townread, though not as strong. Bonus points for arguing their corner, though.)

BRantz (least certain here)

[Bookitty]

Note: I want FTL off the wagon. He dropped that vote and dropped out of sight so no one could tell him to leave (my interpretation). I think that is TERRIBLY scummy

[copper223]

+1

[copper223]

i know that sounds hypocritical but i dont want to be voting lynx.

[Bookitty]

That is simplistic, it depends on how you are being wrong and how you usually play as town, TTH pushing mostly bad logic on 2 players like that makes her very likely scum because when she is town even her cases on town make sense when you don't know a player's alignment, I've used that as scum for instance, and she is pretty damn accurate to boot, so yes if you flip town I'd lynch CoA in a heartbeat.

This is fair enough. I have minimal meta of either player and no time to do a proper dive right now.

[Catastrophe]

Catching up right now, but can somebody unvote so lynx can just decide who is on his wagon? It's clearly the best way to pick.

Thank you...

Lynx has already said who he wants to be on the wagon CoA, we were just waiting for Krystal to show back up.

Not really, at all.

Catastrophe- I can read TSO, and I dont have a townread on him yet which makes my teeth itch. The tool content may be throwing me off though, so I'm gonna give them a day or so.

My picks are actually Bookitty, Catastrophe, and Madea./quote]

I'm relying on sthar for the TSO read. If he's not townreading him by now, he's probably not town. Next!

I understand it's a hydra, but reading me isn't impossible and delegating 100% responsibility to sthar to be right or wrong about it is meh.

We've got a day left, right? Everyone suggest 7 (SEVEN) players to be on my wagon, starting with most town-read. Doesn't have to be a paragraph explanation for each. Simple summation will do. This doesn't apply to Krystal obviously, because they aren't interested in playing much. I'll make a final decision from there. Over. Yay, forcing players to provide input and put themselves out there for the good of mankind! (Or for this town at least.)

This is probably a good idea, I guess. I don't know - I'm tired fighting for you to solely make up your mind and I'm going to go with this because it's a strong compromise if you make the end decision.

Note: I want FTL off the wagon. He dropped that vote and dropped out of sight so no one could tell him to leave (my interpretation). I think that is TERRIBLY scummy

Also, this.

[Catastrophe]

Catastrophe
Policy Lynch
copper
Kthx (I could see ffery using this if she'd recently seen it)
Krystal

I specifically want those 5 on it, don't really care after that. However...

People I specifically DON'T want on it:
Medea
FtL

-TSO

[Catastrophe]

tool hasn't been synched with me lately, but he will soon hopefully. these might be edited slightly if he gets back soon.

[TierShift]

PL
Copper
Ftl
Krystal
Boo
Cat
Me
Uhhh....ghato? Kthx?

[TierShift]

- His opener suggests he knows more about Lynx than he should have (same problem I have with CoA).

I saw lynchbait, scum usually jump onto lynchbait. Lynchbait can be scum, but scum are all over that. That's why I pursued the voters rather than the votee.
I don't understand how I should have known about lynx as either alignment or how that makes me scum.

- He coasted during mid D1 and received unjustified (in my opinion) townreads based on his role from numerous people, I'm always suspicious of people getting townreads like this because it may come from scum thinking of getting easy towncred if he is town (cause it looks obvious to them when it's not that he's actually is town) or from scum pushing a buddy in the town circle, I don't see much of a motive for town to do so other than being obtuse (which tbf happens more often than you'd wish) or maybe having a better understanding of ffery's setups as mod and making a more educated guess than I can.

This is a point against the guys who townread me, not against me. You even say that this is happening regardless of my alignment.
I can confirm ffery Upicks have negative utility roles.

- Once people started to call him out for it his activity level changed substantially but the questions he was asking implied he wasn't thinking too deeply about what was going on and he kind of role fished on Lynx before commiting to the lynch amd trying to push his vote on the wagon.

This is beetlejuice tell which is shitty (and works especially bad on me but it stinks regardless) on anything that's not a newbie.
I have periods of not caring about a game in every game; I coast a little, comment on recent stuff, ask a few questions. Afterwards I really catch up and do stuff. That's how I work, go check my meta.
About the role fishing on lynx: I was rolefishing. I'm not utility lynching someone without a reason. Why would I not try and get a claim, if scum are gonna see the flip before the NK anyway? It's only good to get it out.


I still don't really understand what your issue with me is. You list a few things that are true, but alignment-neutral.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

That is simplistic, it depends on how you are being wrong and how you usually play as town, TTH pushing mostly bad logic on 2 players like that makes her very likely scum because when she is town even her cases on town make sense when you don't know a player's alignment, I've used that as scum for instance, and she is pretty damn accurate to boot, so yes if you flip town I'd lynch CoA in a heartbeat.

I don't know whether to think it's a sweet sentiment that you think I'm right all the time or if that's a stupid one.

It doesn't matter. Bookitty's scumread on me at the core is about posting style, which as of late has been constrained by time. It's also not explained why my skepticism about Krystal's alleged post restriction is scummy either. I still don't know whether to believe it or not. It seems unbelievable. Why would a moderator put in such a debilitating post restriction that doesn't even have an obvious connection to Poe. Having to write posts in poetry or write in the style of Poe would make sense. Doing *this kind of signaling / body language thing* doesn't. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any characters in Poe's short stories that have to do that. My question is: how could anyone not question this at all?

My beef with Bookitty is about content. The townreads are too liberally given and the scumreads are too vaguely outlined, this looks like not wanting to ruffle any feathers. From a quick look at the ISO, the priority system looks like most of the energy is devoted to appearing town for the sake of appearing town and confronting threats.

-TTH

[Bookitty]

Post 559 is emblematic of my problem with your slot, TTH. If you look at this post, it covers from post 304 to post 494. That's a lot of territory for one little post to cover. It doesn't give me confidence that you're actually reading this game, and here's why.

You don't comment on tons of things that happened. You have presented theories on how Policy Lynch should use his power (I think all three of them DEFINITELY can be trusted to know what to do) and on how we should choose who goes on the wagon (finally deciding to agree that the plan ALREADY in place was okay with you). At every step, it feels like you're two steps behind everyone else, all the while insisting that you are way ahead of everyone else.

aside: I reread lynx and his ability is actually a self-voyeur. He used the word 'watcher,' hence my confusion. There is now zero reason not to lynch him.

I'd like to know what you meant by that, please?

From a quick look at the ISO, the priority system looks like most of the energy is devoted to appearing town for the sake of appearing town and confronting threats.

From my perspective, a "quick look at the ISO" is all you've actually done throughout this game.

[Bookitty]

We've got a day left, right? Everyone suggest 7 (SEVEN) players to be on my wagon, starting with most town-read. Doesn't have to be a paragraph explanation for each. Simple summation will do. This doesn't apply to Krystal obviously, because they aren't interested in playing much. I'll make a final decision from there. Over. Yay, forcing players to provide input and put themselves out there for the good of mankind! (Or for this town at least.)

Also, please don't ignore this, Cask of Amontillado.

[copper223]

@Tier

- 1. I don't think I can explain that read more, let both arguments stand and pick the one you all think is more likely.

- 2. Your reaction to getting suspect townreads, sitting there without questioning much until someone else brought it up, and your knee-jerk reaction of calling these people foolish, is what is potentially scum indicative for you

- 3. Same as 1.

@CoA
I know for a fact you are wrong sometimes, it's the quality of the cases I am questioning. If it was caused by a time constraint it should be easy to correct.

[TierShift]

@2: I'll revisit the townreads on me, good point. Claim related townreads are hard to read though.

[Bookitty]

@CoA
I know for a fact you are wrong sometimes, it's the quality of the cases I am questioning. If it was caused by a time constraint it should be easy to correct.

I'm taking back some of the paranoia about you. I <3 this.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1.10

They are light on the tresses,
But lead on the heart.

Ligeia! Ligeia!
My beautiful one!
Whose harshest idea
Will to melody run,
O! is it thy will
On the breezes to toss?
Or, capriciously still,
Like the lone Albatross,
Incumbent on night
(As she on the air)
To keep watch with delight
On the harmony there?

Ligeia! whatever
Thy image may be,
No magic shall sever
Thy music from thee.
Thou hast bound many eyes
In a dreamy sleep—
But the strains still arise
Which thy vigilance keep—
The sound of the rain
Which leaps down to the flower,
And dances again
In the rhythm of the shower—
The murmur that springs
From the growing of grass

LynxKuroneko

(5): Bookitty, Faster Than Light, Policy Lynch, BRantz, Ghatokaca

Kthxbye

(1): Catastrophe

Bookitty

(1): CaskOfAmontillado

Not Voting

(5): Krystal Bald, LynxKuroneko, copper223, Kthxbye, TierShift, Medea the Alien

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: January 16, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2015-01-15 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[BRantz]

Lynx has already said who he wants to be on the wagon CoA, we were just waiting for Krystal to show back up.

Not really, at all.

Am I the only one who saw post 498. It was literally like a day and a half ago.

Since we are revisiting who should and should not be on the wagon I will unvote for now.

UNVOTE:

My list:
Me
Policy Lynch
Boo
Copper
Tier (if we think it will be beneficial to see if we get extra info this way)
Ghato
Krystal
FTL or Self Vote

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Given the choice between your play here and CoA's approach of lurk-lurk-lurk unsupported accusations lurk-lurk-lurk random nastiness, I'd prefer yours any day, BRantz.

The buddying is strong here.

And lets talk about lurking:

Spoiler:

Be real clear here: we are NOT lurking. We have been prodded ONCE, when TTH was on vacation and I decided to spend some time with the kids. Other than that, we have the fifth highest number of posts out of anyone in the game, which works out to around four posts a day between me and TTH. The only players who have posted more than us are you, copper, Tier, and Lynx. And given that TTH and I are wall posters rather than burst posters, that's pretty fucking good. If the standard you are expecting us to meet is set by your own posting, your numbers work out to one post every three hours or so assuming you sleep for eight hours at night. If we assume you have a job that takes up another eight hours a day, your posting average means you have been connected to the site for most of your free time over the last two weeks. Now, that's not an indictment of your life or style, but it is not a reasonable standard to hold others to when determining who is lurking. I am not you. I am at work an average of ten hours per day. I am six days into a twelve day workweek. I have two kids at home four days out of the week. And I run a youth gaming group and three RPG groups for kids. Playing mafia while doing any of those things would be rude and difficult, but I'm still keeping up with the game fairly well and have been an active poster. So kindly store your unreasonable expectations in an overhead compartment where nobody is gonna trip over them. Thank you.

I would respond to CoA's case on me... but somehow he forgot to make one.

1. Nobody else is having trouble understanding our case on you. Some people disagree with it, but nobody has indicated that they don't think it exists. 2. I don't need you to respond to our case on you. You're scum, so of course you don't want us to lynch you. Given your bias, your response to our case on you is worse than meaningless when determining it's strength or relevancy. How is listening to you trying to wheedle out of a lynch productive? 3. You're not the lynch today, and we will have more information going into tomorrow. Why the hell would I waste my time with a big push now when the new day with change all our plans anyway?

He just mentioned a game into which I replaced late as scum and got lynched for my troubles (which obviously shows my extreme acumen and ability)

See the thing is, I was playing fast and loose SK in that game and you were THE ONLY ONE who figured out what that meant. When I subtly claimed third party in thread because I won whether I got lynched or not, the town was busy going 'i dont get it' and you were screaming 'he's not town aligned!' And you almost won the game with me, despite replacing into a caught-scum slot. So yes, that game is a good example of your prowess as a player, and it did make me respect your abilities. Being dismissive of this argument suggests that you want people in this game underestimating you for some reason, which is anti-town.

And if TTH is really making the comments sthar indicated in the hydra thread, that should stop for reasons that should be obvious.

Hey so making unsupported accusations of cheating is really fucking rude. I understand that we're arguing right now, but can you at least try to be civil and limit the shit you're flinging to game relevant things?

Why is not Ghato Boo a thing for you?

The reservations I have on Ghato are setup based, and we don't have enough information about the setup to know if they're well founded.

that fulfills my promises for this morning. I'll have time later to do the three pages you guys posted overnight.

-sthar8

[Bookitty]

Incidentally, my chat with TTH is a lot of screaming about losing to you. It's why I'm letting her needle you to get a read: she's much more motivated and theoretically practiced at it than I am.

If I misinterpreted this, I apologise and echo Policy Lynch's request that you tell us more about this, then.

[Catastrophe]

TSO and I are working on a complete list. For now, I have two things to say:

1. Unless there's some compelling reason not to have Lynx self-vote, I think he should have the hammer or at least self-vote before deadline. If we get a result that one or more scum was on the wagon, having Lynx included in the list eliminates one slot that could be the scum player.
2. For the same reason, I think Tier should be off the wagon. If he had a vote, it would be a different story. But again, if we get a result that there was one or more scum on the wagon, we would want as few people to choose from as possible.

[Catastrophe]

Official Catastrophe Hydra List for People We'd Like to See on Lynx's Wagon™

--PREFERRED WAGON MEMBERS--
1. Catastrophe
2. Lynx
3. Policy
4. copper
5. Boo
6. Krystal
7. Ghato
--SUBSTITUTES FOR ANYBODY IN THE TOP 7 WHO DOESN'T END UP ON THE ACTUAL WAGON--
8. Brantz
9. FtL
10. Kthx
--PREFERABLY LEFT OFF THE WAGON--
11. Medea
12. Cask

We left Tier off because he doesn't have a vote and for the reason I mentioned in the last post.

--tool

[TierShift]

Agree with the list but ftl>ghato
Self-vote might be good idea.