Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[dodgy56]

FML with these early claims, remove your votes from Eyes.

huh what?

[eyestott]

FML with these early claims, remove your votes from Eyes.

What? Why would you townread me for that?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Copper is scum if eyestott is scum.

Tracker is a great fake claim for scum.

[copper223]

Which tells you...what about Dave, exactly?

ESPECIALLY since I have been pushing him?

(Btw, in case you're wondering, I have doubts about dodgy/eyestott being scum theater and lean against it, with dodgy being town and one of my weaker townreads wrong, to be visited at a date in the near-future. However, estott-dave on the other hand......there is an interaction I find quite interesting.)

Mastin I agree with you that following MS criteria he is scummy as fuck, problem is I don't know if these apply to him and as I said I have a town read on Aneninen who says Dave is playing the same way as in the game where Aneninen was scum and got him mislynched.

What that tells me about you is if Dave is scum you are not, I don't think it's very likely you are scum with Aneninen either otherwise he is working against your wagon which would be weird, I don't like that part of the Anti/TTH speculation.

If Dave is town however it's a perfectly decent play for Mastin_Scum to push him, you could tell us and maybe even convince yourself that you would play the same way as town, and the point TTH made about you not blinking about Dave being on the same wagon, while you previously said he re-wrote the book about scumtells in his first post, is well taken, so why didn't you care about that? You think Dave would buss Eyes?

@All
What do you think about Killa, that L-1 in the middle of the discussion about him and Aneninen being on Tean as a possible anchor wagon for scum is a problem for me.

@Heartless
For the record (talking about anchors) is your vote on me for reasons not related to RVS anymore? It would be funny if your own read implicates you.

[copper223]

You are braindead if you think I'm going to lynch a PR claim D1, if it doesn't sort itself we can talk about it when it becomes relevant.

[eyestott]

Copper is scum if eyestott is scum.

Tracker is a great fake claim for scum.

Exactly.

[copper223]

Are you claiming scum?

[eyestott]

No, but I'm saying that, if I were scum, I'd likely pick tracker. It's easy to fake, given that in this game, it's just a yes/no of whether the person made an action.

[dodgy56]

ok so i clearly missed the post where eyestott claimed tracker...

UNVOTE:

for the record he fake claimed a cop as scum in my last game with him. however he knows i know that so i doubt he would pull that here if he were scum,
im inclined to believe his claim

[copper223]

No, but I'm saying that, if I were scum, I'd likely pick tracker. It's easy to fake, given that in this game, it's just a yes/no of whether the person made an action.

and this is relevant why since you are saying you are legit tracker and you therefore should know we are not scum together?

[eyestott]

Oh yeah. Id be unlikely to fakeclaiming an investigative when I'm in a game with someone from Fable.
I fakeclaimed a Flavor cop, to be precise, and I breadcrumbed it and everything.
P.edit: I wasn't responding to the part about us as a team. I was responding to the other part.

[copper223]

Yes, the part where BBT says if you are scum so am I? So are you claiming scum with me? I don't really mind a 1v1.

[copper223]

1 for 1 is what I meant there.

[eyestott]

Yes, the part where BBT says if you are scum so am I? So are you claiming scum with me? I don't really mind a 1v1.

NO!
I was just responding to the part that said that tracker is a great fakeclaiming for scum.

[copper223]

Good, I don't need a townread to not lynch you D1, just common sense.

If you are scum you already screwed the pooch and you have at most 2 days left to survive, there is no KP reduction this game so I have no interest in lynching someone that is already a dead man walking if he is scum (there is no prize for winning the game faster), I do have a vested interest in not lynching a possibly town PR when there is very little need to.

FoS BBT for that BS.

[eyestott]

Yeah, BBTs point about us is not one I agree with.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, that BBT. What is he doing?

FoS BBT

[copper223]

Yes, frankly what are you smoking? If my teammate goes ahead and sacks himself like that you think I'm the first to chime in and defend him? If you are town here play with me when I am scum and you will die a happy sod townreading me to your grave.

[copper223]

@Dodgy

ok so i clearly missed the post where eyestott claimed tracker...

UNVOTE:

for the record he fake claimed a cop as scum in my last game with him. however he knows i know that so i doubt he would pull that here if he were scum,
im inclined to believe his claim

This is WIFOM btw, if he knows you would think it is unlikely he would, doing so anyway is a good play.

@All
Tracker is the best fake claim if you are getting lynched as scum because it's the most likely one to net you at least a trade, roughly 4 times out of 10, if there is another tracker they should claim here.

This is all besides the point, the play today unless he gets cc'd is to leave him alone.

[eyestott]

There could be up to 4 trackers, IIRC. Other trackers, don't claim.

[copper223]

the chance of there being another full tracker in this setup is so small it is not worth considering, if someone can cc him he is scum.

[eyestott]

Bull.

[eyestott]

~40% chance of more than 1 tracker. I did the maths.

[copper223]

You did it wrong

[eyestott]

No, I really didn't.
7 chances for a 15% chance.