I thought it
might
be fake because I've seen that recently, and I wanted to be aggressive in discouraging that. TTH thought lying like that would make them scum, but I pointed out that at least the last time I saw a faked restriction it was a town player. How is wanting to make sure that players communicate effectively as possible scummy?We did not have a scumread on Krystal at that point, nor did we ever claim to. That was TTH hashing out why copper immediately believed in the restriction, which could have been him trying to buddy with Krystal.
Don't be ridiculous. Anti-town does not equal scummy. I know this isn't your first rodeo, so what do you have to gain from the false dichotomy?
Man that sure sounds frustrating. If only there were evidence to support that position, it might round up some sympathy!
Those are dreadfully simplistic and factually inaccurate strawman arguments.↑ Bookitty wrote:
And yeah, I could go on and on about Post 281 (she talks about and to Lynx too much and she doesn't have fully developed reads on day one) and Post 283 she didn't vote town soon enough. CoA criticises me for not giving refined reads at a time when he'd barely given any at all. And then look at Post 564 for a delightful contrast. Gee, those aren't skeletal reads at all.
Okay, you were assuming you vote on the wagon. I'd rather you not, since we don't know if you get scanned and adding uncertainty is not helpful.↑ TierShift wrote:↑ CaskOfAmontillado wrote:But you're still a player in the game, right? You have an alignment and all that? Why would you not having a vote affect the number of unscanned players?
Me voting means 8p on the wagon and 4p off the wagon
Me not voting means 7p on the wagon and 5p off the wagon
As said, vote doesn't count.
Maybe, you'd have to ask her. That's what I gathered from the interactions though.
I am not aware of that being a buzzword scumtell. I've never seen it used as such in a game. I suppose it could be scummy if the player were trying to be seen as helpful by calming others without contributing, but copper's clearly not doing that. He's mediating conflict in the interest of making sure communication is clear, which is a sign of him actively trying to sort everyone out. Mollie does the same thing when she's town. Look at how he thinks we're scum, but is still putting in the effort to figure out what I'm talking about anyway. How does that come from a scum wincon?↑ Bookitty wrote:To the word conciliatory: It's a buzzword. Including it in his townread of you indicates one of a very few things to me. 1) He's going to point back to that and say, "But I said he was conciliatory! Clearly it wasn't a clear read! at some point later 2) He was in a hurry to get his reads out suddenly despite a lack of interest in that throughout the rest of the game (he was "catching up" during the last flurry of postings, remember) or 3) he doesn't understand that conciliatory is a popular catchphrase for scummy. I'm dismissing 3 for now.
As for your numbers, I dont understand 1. What does copper's peacemaking have to do with my read being clear? 2, it's almost day end. Now is the time to get reads out. 3, do you have examples?
She actively and loudly wanted to trust Lynx before there was a reason to do so, to get a townie lynched. She was handing out townreads like candy, to buddy up to people. She announced that she was going to wait before voting lynx, to make herself look helpful. She noted her 'confusion' over the factions in conversation with another player, so it wouldn't be missed. All of those are active things she's done to make herself look town (rather than scumhunting), whereas Brantz is defined by his lack of actions: lack of opinions, lack of pushes, lack of original content.↑ Policy Vote wrote:How is any of this "actively advancing" anything? The examples you gave are passive as fuck.
Missing setup things isn't scum motivated. It's just missing setup things.
I know, especially since she was scum in the game where she was so astute. But it would be helpful to scum to be able to lynch Lynx and then say 'Oh I didnt understand his abilities' if they turned out less than useful.
↑ Policy Vote wrote:Your logic is beyond my understanding. Wanting to hear someone out is now setting up a wagon? Am I supposed to put on my hardhat and say "I think you're scum therefore I'm not going to even remotely consider hearing you out because I can't possibly be wrong"?
Yeah, seeing "i want to policy lynch X" and responding with 'i'd like to pursue this line of thinking' is opportunistic and scummy. I understand that you were assuming I had some kind of case because you misread my posts, but getting a scumread to push a crazywagon on town is a pretty big coup for scum.
↑ Policy Vote wrote:Tell me more about this
TTH has played with copper before, and I have not. She was aggressively interacting with him early game. And she has said like, four times in chat things that paraphrase directly to 'I really don't want to lose to copper-scum.' Also, in pregame we discussed who we'd played with before and she had pretty specific analysis of copper's play. So I assume there's history there. You'll notice I left copper alone early in the day: I was giving TTH room to figure him out, because I am confident that she could do so.
Second sentence has no relevance to the first. Third strips the context of 'catching up.'
Why? Did I list him as scum? No? Then maybe the context of the post is relevant. Lynx's flip is assured and that will confirm his alignment. So no, I don't have a townread on him: I'm treating him like confirmed town. Clearly, that makes me super scummy.
No, they wouldn't. I note that you give no support for your assertions.
Hedging.
I am not scumreading catastrophe. Please fact check.
↑ LynxKuroneko wrote:We've got a day left, right? Everyone suggest 7 (SEVEN) players to be on my wagon, starting with most town-read.
policy, me, krystal, copper, kthx, cat, ftl. Might switch ghato for one of the last two.
Two more pages to go.
-sthar8
Yeah they might be town.
, I also already gave them to you but here they are again:
