Mini 1624: Joss Whedon Mafia: The Musical (Game Over)

[Egg]

Gonna catch up later from a library. Getting worried about phone data.

[eyestott]

I cannot say anything about this game, until i recieve a reply from Bulba about something I cannot talk about.
Sorry for my lack of activity.

[eyestott]

And sorry for how cryptic that was.
Assuming I don't need a replacement, I'll explain, but will not go into specifics.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Anti, I gotta say you are singing me a love song.

How so?

I asked you a question

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

F16, where was this defense and hard town-reading of anti when I was defending him yesterday? why weren't you helping me with deflecting pressure off him when, as far as I could tell, we were town-reading him for pretty much the same reasons?

also, said reasons are stale, and out-dated so why is your read on him still so incredibly strong?

no, he actually uses EVERYTHING including recent activity in his read. and ACTUALLY he was townreading me the whole damn time and he's really stepping it up now because i'm the uncontested wagon for today.

...which you ignore... because it doesn't fit the agenda you're pushing


because you're scum

I still think you're town, but at this point,I think everyone is town and all my scumreads have flipped town. It's day 4, and all I have left are giantess, and egg who, with role alone does not make sense as scum. I don't know if I want to believe that role, but ATM I realize I am doing things wrong and I need to do a reset and stop disagreeing with my partners.

I have defended you all day for the past two days, and while I think you may be overestimating what skrew knows about you, nacho thinks you're a fairly logical player who lets his passions and emotions work together perfectly. He thinks that while, toy can be emotional (and I agree, yet I don't believe that you're overly emotional and that the last game you still made pretty good pushes) he thinks the pushes you make generally make sense, yet this game you're pushed some bullshit stances without really thinking things through. You're making pushes with reasoning I would generally take (nonsensical ones) which is a thing that worried him alot.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

@ JBVTB, what are your other reads besides Antihero?

Murder
Eyestott/Boonskies
Egg
F-16
. Antihero

Nachos reads

MoC
eyestott/boonskies
Anti/F16
Egg

this is literally what my reads look like, and I'm unsure if strongman/roleblocker/encryptor makes sense so I'm not even sure if egg's scum anymore.

My reads

Sleepy has no reads but he's mostly just agreed with nacho

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

And I have defended you for two whole days, if I wanted the easy way out and just lynch you,I could have had it happen forever ago

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

hahahahahahahahaha

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

Trolling Mara is definitely the best part of this hydra
She didn't say what I told her to say though

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

@ AP, I agree regarding Tales - there is a world of difference between your play there vs here. I'm still trying make sense of Nacho's scumread on me. He normally never scumreads me when he's scum except for one nightless game where he tried to get me mislynched because scum didn't have nightkills. As town, he's pretty good at reading me and in general is good at finding town so I don't get it from a town POV either.

@ Ffery, can you explain the basis for your townread on Nacho, Mara, and Skrew individually? Did the defense of you factor into it?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Anti, I gotta say you are singing me a love song.

How so?

I asked you a question

About why I didn't defend Antihero D2 and D3? I did.

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

The worst part of this hydra is Mara's yelling

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

She hasn't yelled at me yet though
The suspense just makes it worse

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

And if I wanted the easy way our,I could just let lynches on eyestott our boonskies happen earlier. I poetically wouldn't have attempted to lynch cabs yesterday especially the way it had happened knowing that built creed would have been burned as scum, knowing how the flip would have happened and did I mention that, if we wanted to get the Reeseasy lynch out of you,I wouldn't have Spent the past two days defending the Fuck out you, or find a counter to your wagon

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

To make things clear,I an talking to anti in that last page.

Also, giantess means townreads

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

I also don't remember you doing whatever it took to keep him from getting lynched the part two days, falcon

[jesusbuddhavrishnathebest]

DID I MENTION THAT I LEAD THE COUNTER WAGON

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

On Boonskies

, I skimmed a part of his ISO and I think he naturally has a fake sounding demeanor, for instance, in how he deals with RVS votes. The reasoning that he normally uses to suspect people is fairly elementary like "I didn't like how Player X started townreading the big wagons", etc but he's also fairly confident in defending that reasoning. He also makes an interesting statement about bussing saying that if he saw his partner run up, he would have bussed. I want Antihero's thoughts on this and I'll also double check later whether his interaction with partners matches how he interacted with Mikuru/AA9 here. Boonskies tends to fairly conf-biased in his reads as shown by his confidence in his scumreads as well as seeing everything that players do as fitting into his worldview. He also tends to quickly townread players that tend to meltdown, rage and freak out easily. An interesting divergence in his town thought process is his feigning confidence when not actually confident as shown by him switching votes around a lot and insisting that since it is only page 10, no one is certain in their reads except scum. Overall town-Boonskies sounds fake on the surface but spends a lot of time genuinely scumhunting, changing his stances and taking in the gamestate and his thoughts and reads are fairly transparent. I'm not yet sure where his play here falls in that range.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

The above was a meta-dive into Ninja Mini mafia.

[Egg]

Explain your townreads on Boon and Jesus. And potentially Eye.

Boon - Claim + Bad pushes against him + feels genuine in his posting
Jesus - The way they interact with each other, even while annoying, doesn't feel fake. The best example is Nacho's "ghost writing" for Mara. I believe that she actually was saying all of that and I don't see her saying it as scum to someone who knows she is scum.
Eye- I'd have Eye as PoE scum now, but today's posting feels like genuine trying to save town. Like trying hard. It's not the false lots of words = town effect either. It's where the effort is directed. It feels pure. But it's only today so I don't know how I feel. Basically, I'm PoEing you, Murder, and Eye and Eye is showing some towniness today. Murder is too, but to a lesser extent. Even you don't look scummy but someone has to be scum. And honestly, I still don't get why you have such a strong town read on Antihero.

As I said before, I think Egg is probably town if he's a roleblocker. I don't think scum leaving boonskies alive doesn't use at least one shot on him and Boonskies-Egg team seems pretty ridiculous to me

This got an eyebrow raise from me until I realized everyone else is VT so you are probably right. Well, except Serra but they seem to be keeping him alive for whatever reason.

F16, Eye hasn't pushed the "I'm a newb" angle in a while. Confidence comes quickly, especially if he is playing multiple games. I don't think he was lying with the newb card.

As for the egg problem, I'm gonna have him roleblock boonskies and then I'm going to stare into his soul

I'll do whatever I damn please. Tell me why confirming an ability commonly associated with scum anyway is more important than trying to stop the kill or a scum PR.

Eye, I know this is going to sound weird coming from someone whose been voting Antihero all game, but what do you like about Jesus' case? I thought it was pretty bad apart from where they say "vote Antihero".

You should all read SleepyKrew's GTKAS. And maybe ask a question or two!

Why should I? Nobody bothered with mine. =P

Yikes. Eye just became likely town for ugly reasons on this page. You shouldn't have posted without talking to the Mod first if something is going on game integrity wise.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I also don't remember you doing whatever it took to keep him from getting lynched the part two days, falcon

I had outlined my read in Post 2462, Post 2488, Post 2539. I spent considerable time elaborating on my read.

[Murder of Crows]

@ Ffery, can you explain the basis for your townread on Nacho, Mara, and Skrew individually? Did the defense of you factor into i

I'd rather not talk in explicit detail about my nacho read. It has to do with how he's sorted me in the past as town and as scum, and when he hasn't sorted me/needed to sort me. It also has to do with his interactions with Regfan and with you on day 2 (more on this in a bit).

Mara looked town to me mostly based on her interactions with Antihero. Also, if she had come into the game and towned me hard (given the state of hydra consensus on other reads) I would have been suspicious. She did the opposite of that, and in fact at first their play reminded me a little of how Beli and I initially approached hydraing in the Tales game, where we wanted to wait until we agreed on players one of us was scumreading. She scumread me on day 1 of the Advance Wars game, and that game (like Bork's FFX game) I felt very confident that my play was quintessential town-me. Getting me wrong on day 1 in that game and right on day 2 of this one would be mindboggling.

Skrew is a little more difficult. I've played a couple games with him (including cutty shark) and replaced into his slot in a game. All three times he was town. Skrew's substantive day 2 posts felt tonally similar to me compared to his town play. Particularly his yonce tunnel, even though I disagreed with him It's the weakest of the three reads.

Now, back to Nacho's interactions with you and Regfan. I totally get becoming progressively more concerned about you as you roll through DAY 4 of this game claiming you're still trying to sort him (and me). But, I keep finding aspects of your play that feel town despite that, so it seems like at the time I'm leaning slowly and shakily more town on you despite my concerns, he's leaning less and less town on you.

From a PoE perspective I can see you landing in a lynch pool given your play in this game. You haven't indisputably towned yourself IMO.

And neither have I, mostly due to phoning it in on day 1. Though I think my reaction to pressure on day 2 lines up pretty well with some of my under stress town games in retrospect. At the time, I didn't even think about the left 4 dead large theme, but getting pushed by Mastin and AP on day 1 of that game had lasting effects on my play that resonated as long as I was still alive. I think getting scumread by Regfan might have affected me that way if I had a deep, meta-based trust that he'd always get me right. But, I don't.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Eye, I know this is going to sound weird coming from someone whose been voting Antihero all game, but what do you like about Jesus' case? I thought it was pretty bad apart from where they say "vote Antihero".

I wondered the same thing. I'm not sure which I disliked more: Jesus's case or Eye sheeping it. But I want to see how the thing with Eye waiting on the mod plays out and what it is before I try and make a judgment on what I think.

[Murder of Crows]

Are you talking about the multi-post case with one point per post he did yesterday?

(because I'm pretty sure that case was posted by Skrew.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Yeah, that was the one. I don't think it is all that great and I dislike how easily swayed Eyestott was first by the case and then when Antihero showed up, he immediately unvoted. But in general, I think newer players are more easily swayed? Do you know what it reminded me of?

And I'll get to the wall after this.