Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[copper223]

Lol ofc.

[Tean Samargo]

@Dav
Care to explain this?

I'll be honest, my approach has been somewhat lazy. I got seriously pissed off by the early wagon, and really demoralized by

a bunch of scummy stuff being ignored

by the same people who were sheeping Mastin on the so-called "newbscum tells" that have not really been explained. Mea culpa.

Where, when and what?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not a fan of the Dave wagon.

[davesaz]

VOTE: Heartless

Re-starting a mislynch on the towniest player in the game.

Intent to self-hammer

at deadline

if scum go for the no-lynch.

@Mod: Advance warning, I do not consider this against town wincon. Town needs the flip more than it needs me alive

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Dave, vote Copper.

[copper223]

I'm going to try a who is scum with dave and who is scum with eyes next and see if that gives a clearer picture.

[killapenwin]

On 2 wagons:
Mastin2
BBT
killapenwin


Not on any of the wagons
Vettrock
Aneninen
beastcharizard

i think tean is scummier than most of these names. your approach isn't "lazy" it's "arbitrary and random"

Have you made a case for that?

I wonder if you read the whole post as well. The first paragraph is about

before today

. Yes, I've been lazy. I'd say there are some in the player list who have been even lazier. Just one more double standard to add to my list of reasons town is fucked up this game.

Pedit: @BBT, I specifically stated that I looked at peak wagon size in the official VC. The ones I quoted from are the only ones I looked at. There are probably other players who have been on more than one of the wagons at some point. However, you also are having problems reading the

whole content

of my post. I'm explicitly assuming that copper and eyestott are town with me, and therefore excluded from the list. If there is a fake claim (remember, I'm one of the few people who

doubted

both claims) then the whole analysis is meaningless.

This last paragraph I don't understand, by your own admission you don't trust your own read?

As for other peoples similar vote analysis going on. Pretty pointless right now given that we don't know anybody's alignment, I mean come on "let's assume these wagons were on town" WHY? It is a stupid premise to work from, after all the wagons were started due to actions others thought were scummy.

I think a good question to ask is why have 3 wagons failed?

[killapenwin]

I'm going to try a who is scum with dave and who is scum with eyes next and see if that gives a clearer picture.

So you are now reading eyes as scum??

[copper223]

- Dave's wagon failed, at least from my pov, becuase Aneninen told me he was town, that's when I gave my both Dodgy and Eyes look scummy in their interaction read and when the two of them started to get more attention.

- The wagon on Eyes failed because he claimed tracker.

- My wagon stalled when I claimed vengeful.

I've gotta say, following my reads this game I really want to lynch or shoot Eyestott.

[copper223]

@Killa

So you are now reading eyes as scum??

I always said that was my read, but if the guy claims tracker and doesn't get cc'd you start by assuming he is town, didn't you see the massive reassesment I made with my reads, if he is town you are likely scum (I had you as town before), if he is town Aneninen is more likely to be scum (I had him as town before) etc etc...

[killapenwin]

So in effect, I have to vote the guy out who claimed tracker (who I previously put at L-1 and is the very thing you are voting me for) to prove to you that I am town?

[killapenwin]

sorry L - 2

[copper223]

@Killa
Do you OMGUS a lot in your town games?

Because a lot of your play, one way or the other, was about OMGUS today. It's true that voting on your for no reason is potentially scummy, but the fear you expressed about a wagon forming on you so early in the game is a bit strange for a townie, the way you tunneled on Tean because of the vote was also pretty harsh, our interaction together as well, you decided to vote for me basically a page after I scumread you, you can say what you like to rationalize it (if you are town) but to me the main reason was me scumreading you first, so another OMGUS.

Problem is I have seen players do this as town as well.

[killapenwin]

Oh right I just noticed in them vote counts you have put both Dave and Eyes at L-2, isn't that similar to what you are voting me for?

[Heartless]

VOTE: Heartless

Re-starting a mislynch on the towniest player in the game.

Intent to self-hammer

at deadline

if scum go for the no-lynch.

@Mod: Advance warning, I do not consider this against town wincon. Town needs the flip more than it needs me alive

lol

lynch this clown

[Tean Samargo]

I got seriously pissed off by the early wagon, and really demoralized by

a bunch of scummy stuff being ignored

by the same people who were sheeping Mastin on the so-called "newbscum tells" that have not really been explained.

"Odd thing to say seeing that you haven't mentioned this at all at any point of time. If you had noticed some scummy things going on, why haven't you mentioned it? Or did you conveniently just notice them to seem more victimized?."

[Tean Samargo]

woops. lel.

I got seriously pissed off by the early wagon, and really demoralized by a bunch of scummy stuff being ignored by the same people who were sheeping Mastin on the so-called "newbscum tells" that have not really been explained.

"Odd thing to say seeing that you haven't mentioned this at all at any point of time. If you had noticed some scummy things going on, why haven't you mentioned it? Or did you conveniently just notice them to seem more victimized?."

[Heartless]

Not a fan of the Dave wagon.

really?
so i guess you're a fan of non-specific shotgunning then OMGZ SO MUCH RAEG FJDK;LIAEIO;JDSLFA;SIE when that breaks down

really, that whole bolded "message to the mod" (hominahominahomina)? not fooling me. for a second.

[copper223]

Oh right I just noticed in them vote counts you have put both Dave and Eyes at L-2, isn't that similar to what you are voting me for?

You have a point.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Look at the posturing from Tean to get on this wagon.

I really don't think Dave is toDay's lynch.

[Heartless]

tean's already on the wagon

[killapenwin]

When people start attacking me I read back through what they have written to try see if it is coming from a town or scum mindset, this often means I look for inconsistencies in their posts so yea I do come across as OMGUS but it doesn't make my arguments any less valid.

My reasons for changing votes has come from Heartless pressuring me to do so.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Umm, my bad.

Who is on Dave wagon again? (phoneposting)

[Tean Samargo]

Also, I noticed that your posting rate in this thread had gone down since your wagon fell in disrepair. I wanted to see if you would start up anytime soon, so i held off posting about you for a bit. Unsurprisingly, you pick up only after your wagon does. Your focus seems to be in the wrong places.

[copper223]

davesaz (5) -Wickedestjr, Tean Samargo, Mastin2, Heartless, Copper