Open 583: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Heartless]

Who is on Dave wagon again? (phoneposting)

wicked, mastin, tean, us

what's the problem w/ this composition now...?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That looks like a pretty townie wagon (with exception of Copper)

[copper223]

How many here would still be willing to lynch Eyestott?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Me.

[copper223]

VOTE: Eyestott at the end of the day you have to trust your reads most and they are telling me he is scum despite getting lucky.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But I kind of don't want to lynch him if you do.

[copper223]

I can always go for the hero shot or egg in the face if you get me lynched, or it won't be on me if we end up on Dave and it's a mislynch, the important part for me is I won't support lynching someone when I don't believe he is scum just because it's the easy way out.

[Tean Samargo]

I can always go for the hero shot or egg in the face if you get me lynched, or it won't be on me if we end up on Dave and it's a mislynch, the important part for me is I won't support lynching someone when I don't believe he is scum just because it's the easy way out.

What changed in between #873 and this post? You seemed quite happy to vote him then.
If you don't believe he is scum why the vote in the first place.

[Tean Samargo]

If you don't believe he is scum then why the vote in the first place?
Damn all touch phones!

[copper223]

The first point was the VCA I did and finding out there is a pretty slim chance of both Dave and Eyes being town, before doing it I hadn't realized that was the case. Once you assume one is scum and one is town I went through the people supporting either one or the other and I noticed I was always reading the dave supporters as town in isolation, only the fact Eyes claimed tracker was changing my read on them, and as I said that's the wrong approach, if your reads tell you a) and a claim tells you b), you should listen to your reads or you should play another game.

[Wickedestjr]

*catching up right now*

Mod:

I'm voting Tean right now.

[davesaz]

Back at a computer where I can do proper replies.

@Dav
Care to explain this?

I'll be honest, my approach has been somewhat lazy. I got seriously pissed off by the early wagon, and really demoralized by

a bunch of scummy stuff being ignored

by the same people who were sheeping Mastin on the so-called "newbscum tells" that have not really been explained. Mea culpa.

Where, when and what?

The answers can be found in several of my own posts. See 198 215 216 220 238 259 276.

[davesaz]

The first point was the VCA I did and finding out there is a pretty slim chance of both Dave and Eyes being town, before doing it I hadn't realized that was the case. Once you assume one is scum and one is town I went through the people supporting either one or the other and I noticed I was always reading the dave supporters as town in isolation, only the fact Eyes claimed tracker was changing my read on them, and as I said that's the wrong approach, if your reads tell you a) and a claim tells you b), you should listen to your reads or you should play another game.

I didn't follow exactly why/how the VCA proves we both can't be town. One of us could just be wrong about our votes.
However, if that analysis is compelling enough then I'm totally willing to be on an eyestott wagon, given I know I'm town.

[davesaz]

I can always go for the hero shot or egg in the face if you get me lynched, or it won't be on me if we end up on Dave and it's a mislynch, the important part for me is I won't support lynching someone when I don't believe he is scum just because it's the easy way out.

I have to admit, if you're faking it you're doing a very good job going all in with the act. And if you're not faking it, it's really a suicide run given scum know town will never lynch you unless we're confident you'll vengekill scum. Scum pretty much have to NK you, don't they?

[Heartless]

I'm going to try to stop being such a terrible hydra partner now.

I'm so sorry Anti.

[Heartless]

Hold on a moment, why are we voting davesaz? Something must have gone seriously awry recently because he was pretty solid town read for me.
I suppose I should catch up.

[eyestott]

so, we need consolidation.
unofficial vc

killapenwin (0) -
davesaz (4) -Wickedestjr, Tean Samargo, Mastin2, Heartless,
copper223 (2) - BlueBloodedToffee, killapenwin,
dodgy56 (1) - vettrock,
Wickedestjr (1) - beastcharizard
Tean Samargo (2) - Aneninen, dodgy56
eyestott (1) - copper223
Heartless (1) - davesaz
I am most likely going to vote copper, as a few of his posts have been pinging me as quite suspicious. I will try and find them.

[Heartless]

I'm going to try to stop being such a terrible hydra partner now.

I'm so sorry Anti.

i know it tth

i now hate you
forever

DON'T EVEN LOOK AT ME EVER AGAIN

[Heartless]

so, we need consolidation.
unofficial vc

killapenwin (0) -
davesaz (3) -Tean Samargo, Mastin2, Heartless,
copper223 (2) - BlueBloodedToffee, killapenwin,
dodgy56 (1) - vettrock,
Wickedestjr (1) - beastcharizard
Tean Samargo (3) - Aneninen, dodgy56, wicked
eyestott (1) - copper223
Heartless (1) - davesaz
I am most likely going to vote copper, as a few of his posts have been pinging me as quite suspicious. I will try and find them.

vote count editted 4 accuracy
the one man vanity wagons need consolidation

we're not getting lynched dave, pick another vote
wicked's not getting lynched beast, pick another vote
dodgy's not getting lynched vettrock, pick another vote
eyestott shouldn't be getting lynched copper, your vote sucks

[Heartless]

i actually..........

could do tean

mastin and tth, what say you?

[Heartless]

I see copper's vengeful claim and I'm actually shocked that BBT is using the claim as the thrust of his attack given that our neighbor game didn't end

that

long ago.

You remember the game I'm talking about BBT?

[Heartless]

i know it tth

i now hate you
forever

DON'T EVEN LOOK AT ME EVER AGAIN

Oh shush, you.
*kicks*

[Tean Samargo]

Back at a computer where I can do proper replies.

@Dav
Care to explain this?

I'll be honest, my approach has been somewhat lazy. I got seriously pissed off by the early wagon, and really demoralized by

a bunch of scummy stuff being ignored

by the same people who were sheeping Mastin on the so-called "newbscum tells" that have not really been explained. Mea culpa.

Where, when and what?

The answers can be found in several of my own posts. See 198 215 216 220 238 259 276.

Fair enough. Well to be honest some of these were floaty. 215 and 220 for example, state observations that may be true, but don't really show your thoughts on it.
276, and maybe 216 are some better posts, but I doubt they were ignored.
Some, if not most, are not the best examples to use.

[davesaz]

Of all the stuff posted in the last few hours, is this really the most productive thing you can focus on?

[Heartless]

someone w/ a vote on us doesn't exactly have much room to criticize someone else's productivity