Mini 1630: Edgar Allan Poe uPick GAME OVER!

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Our action is even night. You decide to kamikaze on us to prevent us from using it.

I bet you are a rolecop.

[Faster Than Light]

Not that case at all.
Do you have a passive ability I should know about?

[CaskOfAmontillado]

None.
We're C Auguste Dupin.

[Faster Than Light]

Oh, the detective?
Captivating.
I doubt we're on the same team, then.
I'm the Orangutang, from the same story.

[Faster Than Light]

Orangutan, my bad.
I watched too many Tang commercials to ever spell that word correctly.
:3

[Catastrophe]

Faster than Light is a role cop, by the way.

What makes you so sure about this?

There's a scum power role that was on the wagon but didn't show up to the sensor somehow.

What makes you so sure about this?

I still need to discuss with metal sonic how much we plan to claim outside of Cask being scum.
-V

I mean, I don't see a reason for you as scum to do this. Cask's theory of scum trying to prevent them from using their even-night ability doesn't make a ton of sense to me; they would need to have a pretty bitchin' power role for scum to actually feel

that

strongly about stopping them from using it and town already seems to have a lot of power.

But could you tell us whether your result leaves room for Cask to not be scum?

Cata, you are dense if you think I'm scum after the card flips. The evedence is there that my PR is exactly as I state it. The only way you think I'm scum still is if you think scum have my PR which makes zero sense.

Can you elaborate? Because I'm not seeing what you're seeing apparently.

At any rate, we have a probable 2 scum in a group of 6 and 1 scum in a group of 5. That's exactly a 1/3 chance at hitting scum if we focus on those not on the wagon vs a 1/5 chance if we hunt for the 1.

Oh yeah good point.

Scum will more that likely target the town on the Lynx wagon D1 so us doing the same during the day phase is explicitly retarded beyond belief.

No need to go there. Let's be civil.

My personal opinion, and this isn't OMGUS, is that it's Cata or BRantz....like I expressed yesterday.

I have seen absolutely no reasoning from you as to why we're scum except that we've pushed against you. That's, like, the definition of OMGUS.

@Tier:

Can you vote/be voted now?

--tool

[TellTaleHeart]

The orangutan from Murders in Rue Morgue would have investigative powers?

I don't buy it.

[Faster Than Light]

@Cata: I'm still discussing things with Metal Sonic. He's not around but when he replies I'll be way more comfortable. I know how I want to proceed, but I don't want to do something MS is against.

pedit: I told you, we're not rolecop.

-V

[copper223]

@All
I have been thinking the same thing CoA said, the mod wording of one, at least one, to me is vernacular of there is one scum that was scanned and a player that cannot be scanned on that lynch. Now a town player that cannot be scanned better not be, so I can only assume said player is scum, so 2 out of 6 and 1 in the 5, it also shows scum controlled who joined the lynch pretty effectively.

@FTL
Waiting to see what you have to say.

[TellTaleHeart]

shows scum controlled who joined the lynch pretty effectively.

I feel like I heard this somewhere before.

Where was it...?

[CaskOfAmontillado]

*sigh* Sorry, that was bitchy.

Still, I'm pretty perturbed right now.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Our role is investigative (not surprisingly).

I can't wait to hear what FTL comes up with.

[copper223]

Maybe if you don't scumread me every game, and in this case have your partner tell me it was a reaction test, I might come around without needing a flip.

[copper223]

Basically 2 out of {Boo, Ghato, Kthx, Catastrophe} are scum and based on the disingenuous comment ghato made at the start of the day of there being exactly 1 they are a likely candidate, the other player I am looking at is Bookitty, that whole argument of me not being allowed to call people scum because they are wrong seems a lot like a preemptive defense now, unless FTL really has something on CoA which would surprise me at this point since they would have been playing pretty pro town yesterday, that's where I stand.

[Faster Than Light]

MS does not want to claim right now.
How do we know that there was a scum immune to being hit by the sensor?
-V

[Faster Than Light]

There is an amalgamation I can think of that allows us both to be town, but it requires very, very strange role interactions or far too much coincidence and town-power.
-V

[Faster Than Light]

The simpler answer is that you're scum and you're lying.
-V

[copper223]

@FTL
Wtf are you doing then? If you are both town you just outed an investigative.

Because Lynx's PM tells us he would give us the exact number of players on the lynch that are scum, but the mod told us there is at least one, so another power partially blocked the results from Lynx, the most likely explaination by far is someone that could not be scanned is on that lynch and why would that player be town?

It also makes sense from a design standpoint that you avoid making what Lynx did a potentially game breaking strat by giving scum the tools to defend themselves.

[Faster Than Light]

@Copper: I'm 95% sure he's scum. That's better certainty than I can give for any other read, and, honestly, one of the best chances we have today.
His even-night investigative role is an easy PR to fake as scum, so I'm feeling it's bogus.

As for the awkward flip wording of 'at least one scum', I think that it's best that we operate under the notion that there's at least one scum in the lynx-wagon pool, but we don't use it to clear town. I'm unsure over the capacity for scum to escape sensoring.
It's not a game-breaking strat even if scum couldn't defend from it. The chances of a town wagon being 100% townsided, ESPECIALLY after announcing a self-sensor are very slim.

[Faster Than Light]

If I've got this straight, then the 'kamikaze on CoA' theory that CoA has provided assumes that we're a scum rolecop trying to push him because he's an even-night investigative role.
The problem with that is that we're not scum or a rolecop.
So, if anything, CoA outted themselves with what seems like an awkward attempt at a power play.
I don't see town freaking out and claiming after two votes like that.
Not someone as strong as CoA.

[copper223]

@FTL
I'd be more than happy if CoA is scum, being pretty vain it would reinforce my self esteem if I caught them from page 1, but as the game currently stands it doesn't make much sense.

If you don't want to claim, is it possible to describe why you think CoA is scum without giving away too much about the ability you used?

As for the sensoring, I am not using it to clear town, I'm telling you there is no way the wording the mod chose is coincidence.

[BRantz]

Faster than Light is a role cop, by the way.

What makes you so sure about this?

There's a scum power role that was on the wagon but didn't show up to the sensor somehow.

What makes you so sure about this?

I would also like answers to these questions. Especially given 731 being almost explicitly contradictory to your initial claim CoA.

Nobody on the Lynx wagon is even up for consideration for today's lynch. This does not mean we avoid the subject as it will come in handy to make connections later, but Lynx's wagon is unlynchable for awhile.

This is just bad play. Plain and simple. You cannot, and should not ever make a block of the player base unlynchable unless they are completely confirmed town. The fact that we got an indecisive result from the sensor should worry you just as much as it worries everyone else and since it doesn't that looks scummy to me.

Oh yeah, and what is your case on me again Kthx?

[Faster Than Light]

@Copper:
I targeted CoA with an ability last night. The shot of my ability was used, so I do not believe I was blocked (which usually makes the ability not use a shot).
I may have been redirected in some way or form.
I would normally rationalize that our flipped Rolestopper did a rolestop on CoA, but why would they? Their deathflip said CoA was their biggest scumread.
The only way for my ability to fail and the shot of it to be used up is if CoA has a passive that negates it (already claimed no passives) or if someone used an ability specifically that would change targets/results. I think that if we had that sort of ability town-side, it would be too strong from a setup perspective, ESPECIALLY if CoA is the role they claim to be.
It leaves me with the following:
CoA is lying and scum
OR
Some other ability exists that changed the target/results of my ability and forced my ability to lose its shot. This results in pretty much the following scenarios for me:
The ability is townsided and targeted me (no clue, we didn't crumb or anything iirc). If so, town should claim it so we don't potentially mislynch.
The ability is townsided and targeted CoA. If so, feels like this would be way too much town power especially if CoA is even-night-investigative.
The ability is scum-sided and targeted me. Scum lucked out.
The ability is scum-sided and targeted CoA. Scum defended scum, essentially.

So far, though, I am leaning very heavily on CoA just lying. Too many really coincidental things would have to line up and the random calling us a rolecop is a really strange play for town to make.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

The shot of my ability was used, so I do not believe I was blocked (which usually makes the ability not use a shot).

You didn't bother to ask ffery before forcing me to claim?

You're a terrible communicator.

[copper223]

@FTL
PL said they did not submit an action so that's off the table.