Mini 1630: Edgar Allan Poe uPick GAME OVER!

[copper223]

@Tier

The whole fact that I switched from non-voting to voting and how I tried to make that happen and how it worked out should make me town. There is nothing else, except for a minor detail that should come tomorrow.

Why? You would try to do exactly the same thing regardless of alignment.

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2.4

And then, how, deep! —O, deep,
Is the passion of their sleep.
In the morning they arise,
And their moony covering
Is soaring in the skies,
With the tempests as they toss,
Like—almost any thing—
Or a yellow Albatross.

Kthxbye

(4): Faster Than Light, TierShift, copper223, Bookitty

Krystal Bald

(1): Kthxbye

Medea the Alien

(1): CaskOfAmontillado

Not Voting

(5): Krystal Bald, BRantz, Medea the Alien, Ghatokaca, Catastrophe

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: February 3, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2015-02-02 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[TierShift]

@ffery: can scum kill and perform another targeting action in the same night?

[TierShift]

@Tier

The whole fact that I switched from non-voting to voting and how I tried to make that happen and how it worked out should make me town. There is nothing else, except for a minor detail that should come tomorrow.

Why? You would try to do exactly the same thing regardless of alignment.

I disagree. The shroudedness in an attempt to get nightkilled and the openness about asking for the unspecified event to happen would not have been there. For all I know, there could be role out there that knows the specific action is in favour of scum.

[fferyllt]

@ffery: can scum kill and perform another targeting action in the same night?

Generally speaking, no.

[TierShift]

what about if they're the last scum left?

[fferyllt]

Last scum left could both kill and use another targeting ability.

[TierShift]

Oh great. I'm not confirmable beyond my role being AWFUL balance for a scum role. Not a little, but absolutely horrendous balance.

[copper223]

So you are saying you have to target someone every night no matter what so you could only make kills as the last remaining scum?

[Bookitty]

We're reexamining the boo case, but she's not out of the woods either.

Hey, if we lynch scum in kthxbye today, I'll be so happy I'll dance my way to the gallows if it comes to that.

Don't worry about it now, Tiershift. I still have a power to be named later, whatever it is. I have the horrible feeling based on Krystal's assessment that I won't have it til I'm dead, but even so it may have some utility.

@Krystal: Can you still communicate using the previous post-restricted method?

[TierShift]

I was gonna claim until I saw bookitty's post. I'll refrain from it now.

I think I'm not going to effort this game because it's not a game; it seems like a horrifically broken thing where we just lynch from a list. I'm on the list, I cannot confirm myself beyond how I played my role and how that's obviously town and balance. If I'm still on the list, fine.

[Bookitty]

I was gonna claim until I saw bookitty's post. I'll refrain from it now.

I support and endorse the above. I don't think anyone else should claim today.

[Bookitty]

I think I'm not going to effort this game because it's not a game; it seems like a horrifically broken thing where we just lynch from a list.

I'm not viewing it that way; hence my case against Cat.

[TierShift]

Cat is on the list, don't worry.

[copper223]

This setup was approved so I doubt it's very unbalanced, I'd try to play it as normally as possible and forget about roles unless there is reason to speculate about them further along.

[Bookitty]

Cat is on the list, don't worry.

I'm on the list too. Just don't check out.

[Krystal Bald]

Thinking about leaving kthx alive as confirmed scum for his after death ability which is horrendous for town.

*Shakes head. Points at Kthxbye and raises arm and flexes, pointing to the muscles.*
*Points at Kthxbye. Points both forefingers at CaskofAmontillado and raises both of her thumbs. Lowers and raises her thumbs rapidly.*

Alright, I got a break and for some reason I'm wasting it with you all.

Things you MUST believe in order to believe Kyrstal's claimed role and result:
1. The MOD doesn't give a shit about her own game and the roles she made and gave out.

I asked fferylt, and I'm going to permanently lose my vote for violating my post restriction so egregiously, but I'm frankly kinda sick of it. It was fun at first but got frustrating quickly. I'll only be able to make one post like this; ffery said that a second intentional violation of my restriction would be a modkillable offense. So I'll try to make this post as long as possible.

This is bullshit. If you believe this, you need to play more games as MOD's aren't going to do this. Period.

*Points at vote count.*

2. The MOD made scum really really weak.

*Shakes head. Points at Kthxbye and raises arm and flexes, pointing to the muscles. Again.*

I don't think anyone can argue that my death and the absence of card flips after the fact is pro-scum.
Wiki: "Enablers are usually, but not always, Town."

*Shakes head. Points at Kthxbye. Kneels on the ground and holds hands in fists, one upright and one not. Flicks the bottom of the upright fist toward the lazy fist. When the upright fist reaches the lazy fist, she lifts the lazy fist into the air, moves it to the side, and turns it downward.*

3. You must believe that the card flips are not important enough for town to have and are better for scum to have. This already has been proven NOT to be the case with Lynx's flip. Let's say I was lynched or killed D1/N1. Lynx get's lynched for the info D2 or later. Town doesn't get his card flip. Town is now taking only what he says about his role, which isn't quoted by him, and uses that to try and get info. If you're town, look at your own roles. You must believe that town seeing it after you get lynched or killed is actually less informative for town than it would be for scum if you believe the MOD gave my PR to the scum team.

*Points upward.*

4.

Although at some point we have to talk about the likelihood of town having a sensor, a rolecop and a third even-night investigative role.

FFS this....so much this. Let's not make it "at some point" and make it right fucking now.

*Points at self. Holds hand over mouth. Takes hand away from mouth, and holds one finger in the air.*
*Points at CaskofAmontillado. Holds up two fingers. Holds up four fingers. Holds up six fingers.*
*Points at the still-fresh ropeburn around LynxKuroneko's neck.*

5. And finally (and probably the biggest thing that stood out to me while thinking about this), is that if you believe Krystal is town and her claim, you must believe that the MOD gave Krystal at no talking post restriction ALONG WITH an investigative PR. Tell me, all you believers, how is a role cop to get across a guilty on scum when they can't talk? Either Krystal doesn't have the post restriction or she doesn't have the PR she's claiming. I don't see how you can believe a world in which the MOD did this.

*Smiles. Pats Kthxbye on the head.*

[copper223]

I think I got most of it, makes sense and I believe you, especially this about there being no downsides to leaving kthx alive if what Krystal says is true is plain false:

*Shakes head. Points at Kthxbye and raises arm and flexes, pointing to the muscles.*
*Points at Kthxbye. Points both forefingers at CaskofAmontillado and raises both of her thumbs. Lowers and raises her thumbs rapidly.*

If he is a strongman he can kill CoA no matter what.

[copper223]

Thanks for taking the time Krystal.

[Bookitty]

Yeah, I'd say Krystal is doing really well at communicating her opinions so far. <3

If we don't get rid of Kthxbye and his strongman kill ability, we're almost certainly wasting one PR and losing another.

[Kthxbye]

Good Job Krystal and a well played kamikaze. I don't know how you did it to be honest. You have one post with words and used it to full scum advantage. You can pat my head all you want. It's a little aggravating, but you just played it really well. Enjoy watching me die and I'll see you in the dead QT after D3.

To the town:

You are simply gullible as you will soon see. There is no strongman and if there is, it isn't me. You can't see through your own fear at how Krystal is getting exactly what she wants, but like I said above, she played it so well I guess I can't blame you. You'll see soon enough. As for reads, I don't see how Lynx wagon has more than 1 scum due to the kamikaze Krystal is pulling. This game should look something like this:

Bookitty

Ghatokaca

copper223
Catastrophe


CaskOfAmontillado
BRantz
TierShift

Krystal Bald

Medea the Alien

or

Faster Than Light

After the game, I'd like some ideas on how I could have more clearly spelled out how Krystal is fake claiming. I just don't understand how at least SOME of the remaining town don't see it enough to take the chance that I'm telling the truth.

Tonight expect probably copper to die.

See you all in end game and I hope not having card flips isn't too big of a detriment. Peace out.

VOTE: kthxbye

[copper223]

UNVOTE:

[copper223]

That is not a hammer Kthx.

[copper223]

I have to think about this because if you pulled the fake hammer as scum I want to shake your hand.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I have to think about this because if you pulled the fake hammer as scum I want to shake your hand.

It obviously wasn't a hammer. There's a vote count on this page.