Mini 1624: Joss Whedon Mafia: The Musical (Game Over)

[Antihero]

3 scummy people in a row. why aren't we lynching this slot?

[Egg]

I can live with Murder today, F16 tomorrow if Murder is town. I'm confident enough that there is scum between those two slots.

[Murder of Crows]

^^ pointing out that this is a stance change. Keep that in mind tomorrow.

[Egg]

Not really.

[Murder of Crows]

Dammit I seriously just lost that post.

Well basically I see F16 and Antihero as basically interchangable

. I see your point but I'm not 100% on it. I pretty much want to lynch scum today and see if I can help with my role (one scum left is where it's best because I don't have to play WIFOM with scum).

,Unvote, vote F16

Ive played over 300 games in the last 7 years. I think I know what flailing is. Just for laughs though, here's how I'd define it:
"A decline in quality of play while being pressured"

Yes, town do it too. But typically newbtown.

And, yet again, it's not the fact that Murder townreads Antihero specifically. It's the way they presented that reason for it to me.

I can't even begin to guess why you are townreading Antihero. You just blindly accepted him as town earlier in the game and rode that stance to this point in the game.

Looks that way to me.

[serrapaladin]

^^ pointing out that this is a stance change. Keep that in mind tomorrow.

Hey now, you had ample opportunity to join me in lynching egg.

The sentiment of the replacement request, unless faked, doesn't make much sense as scum. And I don't see Mara as the sort who would fake that.

HOLY SHIT
we saw a scum rage-replace-out IN THIS GAME

how can you even think this?

I don't see AA9 on the same level as Mara though.

[Egg]

Dammit I seriously just lost that post.

Well basically I see F16 and Antihero as basically interchangable

. I see your point but I'm not 100% on it. I pretty much want to lynch scum today and see if I can help with my role (one scum left is where it's best because I don't have to play WIFOM with scum).

,Unvote, vote F16

Ive played over 300 games in the last 7 years. I think I know what flailing is. Just for laughs though, here's how I'd define it:
"A decline in quality of play while being pressured"

Yes, town do it too. But typically newbtown.

And, yet again, it's not the fact that Murder townreads Antihero specifically. It's the way they presented that reason for it to me.

I can't even begin to guess why you are townreading Antihero. You just blindly accepted him as town earlier in the game and rode that stance to this point in the game.

Looks that way to me.

Those things are still true.

I don't see how "there is scum in F16/Murder" contradicts that.

Like, yeah, I lean towards it being F16. But my reads are rarely perfect and you're pretty much my next choice.

And I can't get any support for Antihero.

You and F16 are hard to sort. I may as well go with what a known town player is saying.

[Murder of Crows]

Hey now, you had ample opportunity to join me in lynching egg.

I think I've made it clear how I feel about town's chances of winning if we're alive tomorrow and town was lynched today. AP has been townreading Egg partly because of his claim. I have a light town read with a few issues like the one above.

[Murder of Crows]

Ap here from my pseudo vacation still.

antihero is becoming more town with every post. I also like his koolaid. Egg is still town, stay the course ffery.

F16 gets lynched if we flip town, no exceptions.

/fart

[Murder of Crows]

There are like 2 days left. Are we no lynching again?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

There are two and a half days left. I'd hate to get yet another deadline extension. Just look at AP's posts in Tales compared to here. Just look at how manipulative Ffery's posts are and vote them. This is not how AP plays as town. This is not how Ffery plays as town. Neither of them builds their towngame on garnering sympathy and setting up future lynches. This is Tales-AP making the precisely the kind of posts that lets him off the hook.

Murder needs more votes.

[Murder of Crows]

I get furious and sad every time I read posts like 3935.

I'd say don't drag this out, but I'd really like for the bodhi saatva to put more relevant stuff in the game thread before day 4 ends.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

If you are actually really town and somehow you've played the way you did, 1v1 me and insisting I be lynched after you and we lose because of that, don't lay it at my feet. My response to your slot has been almost entirely based on how your partner treated me in this game.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Your latest post while it does get to me emotionally, I know it will be fairly meaningless once he shows up with "Ffery stay the course, no one is getting lynched today besides us or F-16" so I'm ploughing on.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I see you online AP, so you want to come and mudsling, now's the time!

[Murder of Crows]

AP doesn't need to say it. I'll say it. You or we get lynched today.

Unlike AP, I prefer it to be us because the game is over if you're town and lynched today. There's no doubt in my mind about that.

[Murder of Crows]

If you are actually really town and somehow you've played the way you did, 1v1 me and insisting I be lynched after you and we lose because of that, don't lay it at my feet. My response to your slot has been almost entirely based on how your partner treated me in this game.

That is not true at all. You've been mostly interacting with me, not AP. Our vote would never have wound up on you at all if I weren't also scumreading you. And I've repeatedly backed off and tried to work through things with you and the results are pretty much summed up by posts 3771 and [post]3772[/post].

IMO it's too late to try again, so I'm settling for what I think is the best of an awful set of probable outcomes in this game.

It's not emotion. It's pragmatism. This day has sucked, but I've done my best to further a town win throughout it.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Okay, I'll do a thought experiment. Let's say you are town. What is it that you want from me? Obviously, you don't want to see posts from me pushing your lynch but you've unequivocally stated that you or I need to be lynched today. So, I'm assuming what you want is for me to lie down and get mislynched? See how your positions are contradictory? It is like a mathematical proof by contradiction.

Why is Murder scum?

Assume Murder is town.
a) Murder wants F-16 to not push their lynch or they get sad and frustrated.
b) Murder 1v1'd F-16 and stated that either player must be lynched today.

a =/= b. Hence premise Murder is town is false.

W/e, we're not getting anywhere, so I'm just going to wait for the others to show up and vote you.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Tl; dr, your posts are beautiful and melancholy but they make no fucking sense as town and don't have a genuine thought process. I want to make sure no one is swayed by that. And I know how fucking frustrating it is to deal with scum who convincingly give off the "lynch me" vibe that AP did in Tales so thoroughly and so genuinely.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Heading out but I would

love

for everyone to make this quick and painless. Please vote Murder in your next post. I'm absolutely fucking positive they're scum. This day has dragged on forever already.

[Murder of Crows]

Okay, I'll do a thought experiment. Let's say you are town. What is it that you want from me? Obviously, you don't want to see posts from me pushing your lynch but you've unequivocally stated that you or I need to be lynched today. So, I'm assuming what you want is for me to lie down and get mislynched? See how your positions are contradictory? It is like a mathematical proof by contradiction.

Why is Murder scum?

Assume Murder is town.
a) Murder wants F-16 to not push their lynch or they get sad and frustrated.
b) Murder 1v1'd F-16 and stated that either player must be lynched today.

a =/= b. Hence premise Murder is town is false.

W/e, we're not getting anywhere, so I'm just going to wait for the others to show up and vote you.

It's schrodinger's box. I get furious that scum-you would attack me in the way you have, with the arguments you've used and I'm not going to talk about why it makes me furious until I know that it IS scum you who has played this way. And I get sad that town-you would think that this is stuff I do as scum. It's stuff I generally don't do at all. I'll maybe talk about what I think went wrong for me/us after the game.

That's all I want to say about it now.

Late day 1 I started composing some haiku. They need some revision.

[Murder of Crows]

Sea of fog billowed
Belief in a safe port waned
As the hours fell

The unknown comrades
within this uncertain mist
Are lost. I despair.

May mist thin, fade,
May town steer away from rocks
Find yourselves, and win.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

FYI, the scummiest thing about the haikus is that they are coming when there are TWO votes on Murder and strong support from Antihero and Nacho and more than two days left for deadline.

Town-Ffery composes haikus but it fits the context. Here's it feels she's pasting something from her towngame that doesn't fit contextually.

[Murder of Crows]

You either don't understand when and why I post haiku or you are pretending you don't.

[Antihero]

doooooodoooooodoooooooo

DOO
DOO

poop